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stols001

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IDK, in PA where my husband grew up, they were teaching gun safety in high school, and it wasn't some thing you could opt out of, all the kids got taught, if I understand him correctly. That's a pretty hard core hunting state, at least parts of it. I think something like that is pretty reasonable and apparently it was less controversial than sex ed.

I would argue from the harm reduction perspective, that it would be nice for consumers of e-cigs to be given some information, and I'm not even saying it has to be the store personnel doing it. A handout on some of the basic setups and safety information about batteries is not a bad idea. If I were wanting to put together such information, it would include different MAJOR types of setups, and what they are useful for, battery safety, and sx of quitting and nic overload. The user doesn't have to READ it, but at least it's available for them to read. Shop can sell whatever setups they want, but the "user manual" comes with, IMO. At least then, there is some baseline safety information and the user knows something of what to expect. I don't think that's unreasonable.

Also, if there are ways to reduce negative incidents or harm in vaping, how is that bad? The less incidents of battery runaway there are, the less ammunition there would be FOR states or the FDA to regulate vaping, and while I understand not everyone thinks long term like that, I see no harm whatsoever in some information that's presented clearly and reasonably, I mean that information HERE is seen as pretty valuable for new vapers, right?

I am not sure a comparison to the idea of purchasing a motorcycle is really an exact match here, unless we are considering e-cigs to be purely a luxury or recreational item which I guess you COULD.

To be fair, to own a motorcycle is one thing, but you do have to go through the State to get a license for one, and the (smarter) states require proof that you can operate your motorcycle and some do require a safety course to be taught, and helmets. Here in AZ there are no helmet laws and while I do understand that some months that would fry one's brains out, I sometimes believe that the state of AZ does that because they like the idea of more organ donors, but I'm a bit cynical about the whole thing by now.....

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That would usually apply when there is a good chance of advancement in the business. How many guys in a poor paying vape shop job have a chance to be the store manager someday? That is a very unlikely scenario in vape shops which are primarily one off and mom and pop shops.
I agree, and admit I got a bit long winded and carried away.

That guy could learn a bit though.
 

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Honestly, that pamphlet shown earlier should be (tweaked a bit, IMO, and) disseminated freely. Someone local to that shop should contact them and see if they would be willing to make the graphic files available to everyone. A concise, visual, brand-neutral pamphlet that covers the basic concepts of vaping and safety is way overdue, and should be open source for digital and print distribution.

[EDIT] If it took off, talk about vape-cred for the creator, too - can't see that kind of reputation hurting sales!
 

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Honestly, that pamphlet shown earlier should be (tweaked a bit, IMO, and) disseminated freely. Someone local to that shop should contact them and see if they would be willing to make the graphic files available to everyone. A concise, visual, brand-neutral pamphlet that covers the basic concepts of vaping and safety is way overdue, and should be open source for digital and print distribution.

[EDIT] If it took off, talk about vape-cred for the creator, too - can't see that kind of reputation hurting sales!

Or someone could start a thread here and everyone could chime in as to what should be included in an info sheet. And then that info sheet could be created by posters with graphic design skills. And then that info sheet could be posted here for everyone to share at will. I will say that I disagree with batteries lasting 3-6 months. Mine last substantially longer than that.
 

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If you look at regulated mods sold these days, they come with a user manual that while not always clear and concise, do contain lots of little warnings. I've found little info cards for proper battery care in there as well. The question is, can you enforce reading that stuff. Going with the motorcycle analogy, have you ever read the manuals they come with? Just like a car, there are dozens of pages just devoted to warnings. It doesn't mean anyone reads it. Other than maybe the maintenance info when they have to. They should, but there's a reason RTFM is such a popular response to most problems these days. People just don't.
 

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Honestly, that pamphlet shown earlier should be (tweaked a bit, IMO, and) disseminated freely. Someone local to that shop should contact them and see if they would be willing to make the graphic files available to everyone. A concise, visual, brand-neutral pamphlet that covers the basic concepts of vaping and safety is way overdue, and should be open source for digital and print distribution.

[EDIT] If it took off, talk about vape-cred for the creator, too - can't see that kind of reputation hurting sales!


So write one.
Post it back here for critique and review, and maybe the mods can post it as a sticky thread for people to share.
 

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I always read my manuals. With that said, I require the warnings, and I'm super unintuitive with most stuff.

I think a pamphlet would be useful if it was also fun and funny. Most people are turned off by warnings and fine print, but something fun is more likely to grab attention. The Vaper's Manifesto??

It's completely unenforceable for all vape shops to give it out, (at least by us, maybe not the FDA) but if one were written, it could certainly be made AVAILABLE to vendors, certainly maybe starting with the vendors here.... Up to them.

I've always wanted to write a manifesto, but I'm not committing to ANYTHING this late on a Friday afternoon, LOL. Will think it over though. Right now I'm just stupid worried about my FACE. Going back to oral surgeon first thing Monday but I will think it over, and I'm sure those more technically oriented than me would fix my errorrrzzzzzzz.....

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We have a vape shop owned/run by people who don't vape. They are in it for the money and only the money. The other vape shop only caters to the younger cloudies. I no longer shop at either. There are two shops run by vaper's that do very well on the education front. I have to go 30 miles to support them and they're prices are high, but I make a point to buy juice from them a couple times a year and will recommend them.
 

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What about a handout or pamphlet that all vape shops will have the same one to give to each customer with a purchase? Would something like that have the ability to be implemented? Would it work and be helpful?

There is preexisting stuff, even from the FDA on stuff like battery safety tips.
FDA battery info.JPG

Tips to Help Avoid "Vape" Battery Explosions
 

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I always read my manuals. With that said, I require the warnings, and I'm super unintuitive with most stuff.

I think a pamphlet would be useful if it was also fun and funny. Most people are turned off by warnings and fine print, but something fun is more likely to grab attention. The Vaper's Manifesto??

It's completely unenforceable for all vape shops to give it out, (at least by us, maybe not the FDA) but if one were written, it could certainly be made AVAILABLE to vendors, certainly maybe starting with the vendors here.... Up to them.

I've always wanted to write a manifesto, but I'm not committing to ANYTHING this late on a Friday afternoon, LOL. Will think it over though. Right now I'm just stupid worried about my FACE. Going back to oral surgeon first thing Monday but I will think it over, and I'm sure those more technically oriented than me would fix my errorrrzzzzzzz.....

Anna
Must be a girl thing.
Most guys (myself included) take the manual out of the package, and (before we even remove the product) shred the manual, and burn the shreds.
 

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That's unfortunate. Those types of value added services can help retain customers. I think some vape shops might also be confused on the whole deeming regulation thing and afraid to say or hand out something that's not allowed and they fear might get them in trouble. The least they can do is say "please read over all the instruction materials included with the mod".
 

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I'm not entirely surprised they might not do so, a) they might not know all this information themselves and/or see it as another unnecessary step. The vape shops who probably most would benefit from a pamphlet may be the least informed salespersons and owners, and I could see them being resistant to it. The shops that are already doing well with personnel and addressing pertinent questions are probably going to be the least likely to need it, but possibly more receptive.

It's a shame that a business is operating on such a tight margin, they couldn't print out some safety information....

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    It's a shame that a business is operating on such a tight margin, they couldn't print out some safety information....
    When some fool lights their pocket on fire, from a unprotected battery, then sues the battery manufacture and the vape shop, they might think spending .03 cents on a sheet of paper is not such a bad idea.
     

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    I'd love to agree with that but since many vape shops SELL re-wraps, I am not sure a) they want people to know about actual battery safety b) they figure it won't happen, or won't be connected back to them? I mean, if a store is selling an "Aspire wrap battery" (since I love the company it kind of... pains me to even write that) they can simply put the onus back on Aspire, surely? Since they are the manufacturer, etc?

    I'm not quite sure where the liability lies in this situation.... If it falls back on an overseas manufacturer, or what. I'm so happy not to know, either, but I did a quick search and see that there was a post on here regarding a vape store being sued for an exploding battery so I guess it can happen. I didn't read the circumstances of it, though....

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