It's interesting that some people honestly think "high end" mod prices are justifiable.

[tj99959]

Yes, very much so, I still use my Provari my Rio and various other mods, however my issue isn't with them. My issue is mostly with mechs that cost the same or 2x as much as a Provari and are nothing more than a tube and a switch. Read my prior posts in this topic.

In all honesty, there is a hell of a lot more going on with the design of the 144$ Reo than there is with most of the expensive mechanical tubes I've seen.
There just might be a valid reason why it's the best selling mechanical of all time.

Myran
We all have to start somewhere for sure, but the sooner you buy one good PV, the sooner you don't need to keep buying cheap stuff that doesn't last.

 

[JMarca]

Your tinfoil hat is showing. I believe a lot of modders have said they generally do a run or two of something and have a new design they want made. For the record, while it isn't a mech, my ithaka is something like 5800.

Sent with Tapytaptap or some such...

Your Ithaka isn't even a mod.

In all honesty, there is a hell of a lot more going on with the design of the 144$ Reo than there is with most of the expensive mechanical tubes I've seen.
There just might be a valid reason why it's the best selling mechanical of all time.

I love my Rio I love my Provari too. But both these mods have ALOT more going on than just a tube and a switch. That's where my beef with these 200 dollar mechanical mods comes in. Why should these shiny hollow tubes cost as much as these devices?

 

[Myrany]

Myran
We all have to start somewhere for sure, but the sooner you buy one good PV, the sooner you don't need to keep buying cheap stuff that doesn't last.

Working on it my friend. The hubby told me maybe by Christmas I can get it.

It will happen it is a matter of time.

 

[Dark passenger]

hahahahaha so true, but i do agree with the OP...ridiculous prices when the clones are really really good...i love your butters stuff by the way man ahh i love butters i have the tshirt of him in his professor chaos outfit..so funny

 

[dr g]

You stand by the theory, while completely unfounded, that people are limiting production to create perceived rarity?

Not only is that not even in the top 10 reasons for rarity of price, it just doesn't make any sense when you look at the industry.

A couple of people designing mechs in their home, then running to someone with the tools to make said parts, is about the least economical way of doing it. I'm not saying it's wrong, but if farming it out is how it's gotta be made then so be it. Second, let's say the cost of a 200 dollar mech when you factor in the creators feeding their families, 1st world wages and material costs, and the cost of having it machined by someone else is 100 bucks.... That's 100,000 dollars to make a thousand units. I don't know about you, but risking the shirt on your back for such a niche market device, in order to make it "available" would be dumb. If you can pay the bills making 200 at a time, that's what you'd do.

Someone gets it.

Your Ithaka isn't even a mod.

Not a salient point. The Ithaka costs as much as a high end mod and probably costs as much or more to make than any mech mod.

I love my Rio I love my Provari too. But both these mods have ALOT more going on than just a tube and a switch. That's where my beef with these 200 dollar mechanical mods comes in. Why should these shiny hollow tubes cost as much as these devices?

Because cost of materials and machining is only a small part of the big picture of bringing a product to market. For small producers I'd say the biggest cost is the cost of making it worthwhile to do.

 

[Dark passenger]

my cheaper stuff has lasted a long time really...been vaping almost a year and nothing has gone bad for me

im very careful, very meticulous, and ocd about my mods...so clean and everything is neat and organized and it all stays clean and working

 

[JMarca]

Not a salient point. The Ithaka costs as much as a high end mod and probably costs as much or more to make than any mechanical mod.

It is a salient point since we're talking about tube mods and not juice delivery systems. Why change the subject? Does an Ithaka cost more to make? Yes it does. Is that at all relevant in this topic? No it's not.

Because cost of materials and machining is only a small part of the big picture of bringing a product to market. For small producers I'd say the biggest cost is the cost of making it worthwhile to do.

Then either...

A) Quit making them or find a better source and have them make it for you at a cheaper cost.
or...
B) Quit crying when you get cloned.

Seems harsh? Oh well, you're not apologizing for charging people 2-500 dollars for a hollow tube with a switch. If you get cloned deal with it, don't go on Facebook and cry me a river or send your "loyal followers" to tell the world how bad clones are.

 

[CommaHolly]

As someone who has killed 6 kitchen aid blenders in 10 years I couldn't agree with this more!

OK, but does anyone have a decent clone for the Keurig??????

I have killed roughly 4 coffee makers a year,,,,,,,,but I don't want to spend 140 bucks darnitall!

 

[EvilZoe]

OK, but does anyone have a decent clone for the Keurig??????

I have killed roughly 4 coffee makers a year,,,,,,,,but I don't want to spend 140 bucks darnitall!

Buy a french press and make your coffee that way....lol

 

[CommaHolly]

The simple reality is for some of us things like a REO or a Provari ARE painfully expensive. Coming up with $200 all at once is difficult. My Monthly vape budget is less than $75. I spend about $35-50 on DIY juice, wick and wire and the odd bit or bob from China to keep me vaping until I can save up the $200 for the REO + RM2 that I really want.

If it is a choice between going back to cigs or using cloned goods I will by God use cloned goods. NOTHING will make me smoke again. I will get my high end device eventually. $5 is the piggy bank here, $10 there it will happen.

The issue just isn't black and white for some of us. No matter how I feel about the ethics of cloning. Cheap goods are my only avenue to saving up enough not to need to buy cheap goods anymore.

well said,,,,

and although I truly appreciate the quality of a high end mod,,,,,there ARE other less expensive stuff that will do what it was intended to,,,,keep you off cigs.

Having said that, I really want a Provari,,,,,,,

Christmas is coming,,,,,and I get a nice check from my wonderful, generous mother in law every year,,,,,,,(she's a doll, really)

and I intend to spend all of it on a Provari and accessories.

 

[vape-addict]

When I win the lottery I'm going to get a 24k gold caravela and post here on ecf so everyone can see it

 

[ScottP]

Why do people even think a Provari is a mod anyway? All PV's are NOT mods. The word "Mod" is short for modified so unless you have done something to customize your Provari then it isn't a mod, it would be considered "stock". Anything mass produced to uniform standards is not a mod, not even mechs. Limited Edition runs are mods, home built PV's are mods, and mass produced PV's modified by the end user are mods. Painting it or putting stickers on it doesn't really constitute a mod in my book but at least it's closer. Everything else is just a PV.

 

[dr g]

It is a salient point since we're talking about tube mods and not juice delivery systems. Why change the subject? Does an Ithaka cost more to make? Yes it does. Is that at all relevant in this topic? No it's not.

The production of a product is the subject. That's not a change of subject at all. The same basic economics apply to the Ithaka as the GGTS.

Then either...

A) Quit making them or find a better source and have them make it for you at a cheaper cost.
or...
B) Quit crying when you get cloned.

Seems harsh? Oh well, you're not apologizing for charging people 2-500 dollars for a hollow tube with a switch. If you get cloned deal with it, don't go on Facebook and cry me a river or send your "loyal followers" to tell the world how bad clones are.

Or do neither, which is what most mod makers do. Leaving you to ..... about it, but that doesn't make you right.

 

[CommaHolly]

Why do people even think a Provari is a mod anyway? All PV's are NOT mods. The word "Mod" is short for modified so unless you have done something to customize your Provari then it isn't a mod, it would be considered "stock". Anything mass produced to uniform standards is not a mod, not even mechs. Limited Edition runs are mods, home built PV's are mods, and mass produced PV's modified by the end user are mods. Painting it or putting stickers on it doesn't really constitute a mod in my book but at least it's closer. Everything else is just a PV.

then why are half the so called mods CALLED mods?????

The Z-max is called a mod..,the Lava Tube is called a mod,,,,,,etc etc etc. Perhaps the original meaning has been lost??

 

[swampman]

Why do people even think a Provari is a mod anyway? All PV's are NOT mods. The word "Mod" is short for modified so unless you have done something to customize your Provari then it isn't a mod, it would be considered "stock". Anything mass produced to uniform standards is not a mod, not even mechs. Limited Edition runs are mods, home built PV's are mods, and mass produced PV's modified by the end user are mods. Painting it or putting stickers on it doesn't really constitute a mod in my book but at least it's closer. Everything else is just a PV.

I started to wonder about that...I thought for a sec i had my terminology wrong..

 

[EvilZoe]

why do people even think a provari is a mod anyway? All pv's are not mods. The word "mod" is short for modified so unless you have done something to customize your provari then it isn't a mod, it would be considered "stock". Anything mass produced to uniform standards is not a mod, not even mechs. Limited edition runs are mods, home built pv's are mods, and mass produced pv's modified by the end user are mods. Painting it or putting stickers on it doesn't really constitute a mod in my book but at least it's closer. Everything else is just a pv.

^^^ this!!

 

[dr g]

Why do people even think a Provari is a mod anyway? All PV's are NOT mods. The word "Mod" is short for modified so unless you have done something to customize your Provari then it isn't a mod, it would be considered "stock". Anything mass produced to uniform standards is not a mod, not even mechs. Limited Edition runs are mods, home built PV's are mods, and mass produced PV's modified by the end user are mods. Painting it or putting stickers on it doesn't really constitute a mod in my book but at least it's closer. Everything else is just a PV.

Mod is kind of a legacy term meaning anything that is not a cigalike. An Ego is technically considered a mod.

 

[Fishtec]

Initial design production spend time stalking any mod builder on a forum and see how many designs redesigns they come up with over a period of months before they make a complete product

Cost of machining hire of employees who will want to be paid a proper wage for the work they do

Hire of machinery

Cost of metal and supply's for both final and prototype product also including waste material

Cost of delivery of material transport too and from machining shop

Delivery cost to re seller

Profit margin to be made by reseller

Account all of them into the process of making us a high end mod or atty and yeah I'd say that is far would you find a way of making gold and give it away ? If some one wants to dedicate his career to making us a piece of art and a functional collectables piece of vaping equipment damn right I'm going to pull top dollar for it after all this person has kids to feed mortgage to pay a table to put food on do you really think Van Gogh spent 12 million (or however much it sold for) on paint brushes and paint but yet that money was paid for a collectables piece of art sorry for the long rant but these type of threads grind my gears if you can do it yourself please do and I will gladly pay 100 plus if you make a desirable product as these people do and I doubt the same people will complain either

 

[ScottP]

then why are half the so called mods CALLED mods?????

The Z-max is called a mod..,the Lava Tube is called a mod,,,,,,etc etc etc. Perhaps the original meaning has been lost??

Because the people that call them that are clueless to the meaning of the word. Just because you call something some word doesn't make it so. If it did there would be a lot more A-holes running around.

In some cases it could also have to do with Chinese to English translation.

 

[tj99959]

Nitpicking I see. Do you have any problem understanding what someone is talking about just because they had the audacity to call their PV a "mod"?