It's interesting that some people honestly think "high end" mod prices are justifiable.

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Nitpicking I see. Do you have any problem understanding what someone is talking about just because they had the audacity to call their PV a "mod"?

Nope. In my first post of this thread I said "The bottom line is the "value" of something is what people are willing to pay for it." There was a bit more, but you get the gist. For these last two posts, I was just pointing out the fallacy of buying a stock PV, car, boat, jet or anything else and then calling it a mod.
 

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Because the people that call them that are clueless to the meaning of the word. Just because you call something some word doesn't make it so. If it did there would be a lot more A-holes running around.

In some cases it could also have to do with Chinese to English translation.

Well, not everyone is an e-cig hipster.
 

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The bottom line is just make sure that the PV is going to do what you want before you dump a lot of cash.

I just hate seeing someone buy an expensive PV, and then finding out that it doesn't do what they wanted.
A mechanical is not a good choice if you like 3 ohm carto tanks. (unless you also have a Provari)

Or a kick...
 

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Vitamix??? Oh, ok...so you support the clubbing of baby seals then... nice. It's people like you that make Mr. Oster not want to design another blender. You, sir, make me SICK! You probably haven't even been blending that long.

By the way, how does that Vitamix handle sub-ohm blending?

Any chance I could get a baby seal skin mod bag?
 

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Just kind of skimmed over the days worth of post and wwwwoooooooeeeee! With all of these rocket scientists and brain surgeons hard at fixing everything wrong with the mod world things sure is lookin up!

Heck I bet if we just forward this thread to all of the moders out there they will see the error in their ways and buy this time tomorrow a GG will cost 50 cents and a Chi You will be a dollar. The Chinese will pay us to use their clones Happy days are coming :rickroll:
 

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Yet modders make thousands and still can't keep them in stock...

If it's such a racket, it seems like there would be lots of people making "tubes that hold a battery" and charging 200 bucks. Strangely there aren't. Could it be that maybe there's more to it than that?
There's really not more to it than that with tube mods. Boring and threading a tube isn't rocket science for a competent machinist with a lathe, nor is wiring up a switch and connector. Box mods like the The Billet Box are much more intricate in their design, engineering, materials, required tooling, and build quality...built in the USA...and are only $179 (though some people have flipped them for $400-$500 to people who are too impatient to wait). The Billet Box might not be for everyone (due to having a built in carto tank and their 4.0-5.5 voltage range), but the point is I wouldn't lose any sleep spending $179 on something with that kind of quality...as compared to the bulls---price of some of the mech tube mods going for $200+ (or as ridiculous as a Caravela at $2500+).

There is only one reason that this car is worth what it is.

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They didn't build another one.










and yes, that is my shop in the background.
That car is only worth what someone will pay for it. Just because there is only one, doesn't make it valuable. There have been a lot of one-off cars that aren't worth their scrap value.
 

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That car is only worth what someone will pay for it. Just because there is only one, doesn't make it valuable. There have been a lot of one-off cars that aren't worth their scrap value.

And they WILL pay it. Unless you would want to buy it, then you can scrap it. Offer them $1 over scrap metal price and see what happens.
 

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Your Ithaka isn't even a mod.



I love my Rio I love my Provari too. But both these mods have ALOT more going on than just a tube and a switch. That's where my beef with these 200 dollar mechanical mods comes in. Why should these shiny hollow tubes cost as much as these devices?

The Ithaka reference was there to show that high end pieces do see more than 200 in production.... thought that was pretty obvious.

Again, if it's a tube and a switch and people are selling out of them for 200 bucks, we are all pretty stupid for not pumping those out like candy. Unless of course there is more to it that a tube and switch. An engine is just a fancy pump right?
 

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If someone has a lot of their own money and wants to put it into circulation (as well as the economy) by buying something expensive? I am all for that. It helps keep people employed making things that not everyone can afford, who then turn around and buy things that they can afford. Far better than that money sitting idle somewhere and just adding zeros to their account balance.

Especially if they want/like what they are buying, I don't see a thing wrong with it at all.

I am an informed consumer, buy things that I need, and buy things that I want (many things that I don't actually need). There's always going to be things that I will look at and say "even if I did have that much money, I wouldn't spend it on that". But it's not in my nature to tell other people that what they do with their own lives and/or their own money is either stupid or foolish.
 

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And they WILL pay it. Unless you would want to buy it, then you can scrap it. Offer them $1 over scrap metal price and see what happens.


I love these pawn shows where a person comes in and wants 10k for something. Guy says I'll give ya 50 bucks and the person says I can't take 50 I paid 8k.

Guy just shrugs his shoulders.
 

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The Ithaka reference was there to show that high end pieces do see more than 200 in production.... thought that was pretty obvious.

Again, if it's a tube and a switch and people are selling out of them for 200 bucks, we are all pretty stupid for not pumping those out like candy. Unless of course there is more to it that a tube and switch. An engine is just a fancy pump right?

Not necessarily a engine is a mechanical device that converts force into motion. So a battering ram is a form of engine, but the people using it might be described as a pump kinda sorta.

I see your point but every post has to be argued in this thread so Im just sticking with the spirit of things.
 
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Not necessarily a engine is a mechanical device that converts force into motion. So a bettering ram is a form of engine, but the people using it might be described as a pump kinda sorta.

I see your point but every post has to be argued in this thread so Im just sticking with the spirit of things.

Hah! The only real point I'm trying to get at here is that people are way over simplifying what goes into a quality mech. Sure, by the time you get to machining the thing, it isn't rocket science, but the quality of materials and the precision and multitude of buttons, with different pressure and such takes time and testing to get right. Is it essentially the same principle as a 15 dollar K100 from fasttech? Sure. Though some people prefer a meticulous designer and craftsman who actually makes the thing because he himself wants the best, not some factory where the people making the thing probably don't know what it's even used for.
 

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Hah! The only real point I'm trying to get at here is that people are way over simplifying what goes into a quality mech. Sure, by the time you get to machining the thing, it isn't rocket science, but the quality of materials and the precision and multitude of buttons, with different pressure and such takes time and testing to get right. Is it essentially the same principle as a 15 dollar K100 from fasttech? Sure. Though some people prefer a meticulous designer and craftsman who actually makes the thing because he himself wants the best, not some factory where the people making the thing probably don't know what it's even used for.

No thats not your point give me a minute and Ill tell you what your point is;-)
 
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