It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[AndriaD]

I absolutely recognize the difference, but the original scenario was someone fogging out an isle in a public store, and my response is to those who either think that is a noble way to 'educate' others about vaping or who think that behavior is perfectly acceptable. My position can be summed up by two words... That's rude. I'm just advocating the virtues of self-control and consideration for others, and that really is the middle ground between a complete disregard for others and the hyperbolic reflex to ban anything that might upset anyone.

And actually I would agree; I'm a vaper myself but I would find it rude of anyone to fog up any indoor place with their vapor -- I even feel that way sometimes in vape shops, and I've had to entirely eliminate doing the tasting thing at vape shops because of that fog; you can't taste anything when someone is blowing ginormous clouds that completely fog the shop. Fortunately I now don't have to deal with it, since I DIY all my ejuice, but I feel bad for others that have to try and taste in that sort of environment. But if folks can't blow clouds in vape shops, then where else??? I think vape shops just need to invest in better ventilation -- we're all about "air flow control" -- that needs to be carried all the way to the shops' ventilation systems.

If I saw someone really fogging up the place in some public place (not a vape shop), I would have a problem with that myself. If I saw someone take some stealthy puffs and emit a tiny bit of vapor, I'd smile and give 'em the "rock on" sign, and maybe even join them. I dislike rudeness of all types, and that includes the rudeness of the ANTZ with all their 'NO SMOKING ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME" -- whatever happened to "thank you for not smoking"? I was a lot more acquiescent to that sort of mannerly request, than the fascist VERBOTEN!

Andria

 

[skoony]

These types of threads have been around since I 1st joined ECF in early 2010..

Sadly, it's only getting worse. Back when vaping 1st became popular you could vape inside of many places but now not so much. Why? Well there is that sense of entitlement and the odd need to try and impress others with clouds of vapor while in a public place.

Newsflash! Nobody is impressed!

These people don't care that they have already cost responsible vapers a lot and that they will continue to cost us even more..

It's sad really but they don't get it and they never will get it..

was it because of the clouds of vapor or because of whiny little
ANTZ types fake coughing and crying to the manager?
mike

 

[Burn1ngChrome]

People like that are being the Westboo Baptist Church of vapers. This is what you take a stand over? Im seeing contradictory arguments in here. On the one hand this guy must be obnoxious in a grocery store because if he Doesnt push all limits of legality and courtesy then theyll come for our vapes and then our guns and then texas. At the same time this is inconsequential as we shiuld onky worry about the federal level and the inky thing that could possibly affrct that is big tobacco and big money, never a tipping point in public opinion.

Theres a huge straw man in that surely people whi have a problem with it are unaware or uneducated about vaping, its only the mental correlation to cigarettes, etc. I, personally do not want to deal with someones clouds at a bar, club, restaurant, etc neither do plenty of ither vapers i see atound dc. Just because i use an e-cig doesnt mean i find all juices pleasant, most of them actually smell and taste like crap to me. I dont want vapor in my face. I dont want to smell it. Go to the bathroom and stealth vape. Even worse is getting lumped in with the stigma. Not stigma of false fears over second hand smoke, stigma that people will assume everyone with an ecig does not give a .... and will go out of their way to put it in other peoples business. I have told someone at a club they stink because it was to the point where i thiught ok yiu e jsut not showered for days here

 

[gpjoe]

Not a single person in this thread has said that so I'm confused by that statement..

Beg to differ. Did you actually read the thread?

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[DC2]

Suggestion to the moderators...

Delete all posts in this thread, and make the post below the only reply to the first post.
Then close the thread, and sticky it forever.

Here's the thing vaping isn't just under threat in the US it's under threat all over the world and whether some people choose to believe it or not how people vape in public is a factor in the legislation that is coming and the more some entitled and selfish people throw it in the faces of non smokers\vapers the more appetite the public has for that legislation. Yes in the US the big tobacco settlements mean states have a big financial reason to ban vaping but your enemy isn't the big tobacco companys though many think they are. Legislation is only passed to the level a politician feels the majority of the public will accept as it's the votes of the public that keep their noses in the trough no matter how much a politician is lobbied they use the public as a benchmark of how far they can go legislatively.

Our biggest single enemy is big pharmaceutical they have had a multi billion dollar NRT racket going for years and want it to continue, vaping is the single biggest threat to that easy cash cow and they will do everything they can to turn opinion against vaping politically and in the public mind. We really do not need the "anywhere, anytime I want" vaper loading up crates of ammunition to be fired at us and a growing number of vapers are rude, ignorant idiots with a sense of entitlement that borders on the juvenile. There is a big difference between being discrete and courteous with your vaping and being ashamed of vaping and if you see polite vaping as shame then perhaps you have other more deep rooted issues to resolve.

Vaping is a very large community with a small percentage of people actively engaged in vaping advocacy, but for those who are involved and active know very well appearance of vaping is an issue and a harder one to counter then the junk science or biased media reporting. Be considerate, be appropriate and instead of behaving inappropriately realise in our case discretion creates curiosity and that's the gateway to winning people over as people can only be curious for so long before having to satisfy it and as they come to you out of curiosity they are more prepared to listen and be open minded.

To alter an old saying "vape smarter, not more obnoxiously".

 

[USMCotaku]

I would think that the exhaled vapor carries germy things better than just air does.
Any studies on this aspect of vaping?

I believe it's opposite....pg inhibits germs iirc correctly

 

[USMCotaku]

Yep someone said that PG kills germs but for cloud blowers there is not much PG in their juice. VG carries germs and such it just does not feed them so germs do not grow in it. But the vapor with the germy things settles on stuff.

There is almost no true 100% vg, since most flavorings are pg based, so it's safe to say even Mr. cloud blower had pg in his juice

 

[TaketheRedPill]

Yes, he is. That is our resident um..how do I put it.... Jokester. If you follow him around, you will get the sense that he is um how shall I say... not quite right? ROFL (said with the most affection, BTW)

haha then I'm in good company! Thanks for the inside, Robino

 

[zoiDman]

Suggestion to the moderators...

Delete all posts in this thread, and make the post below the only reply to the first post.
Then close the thread, and sticky it forever.

I'm Cool with that Idea.

 

[DC2]

was it because of the clouds of vapor or because of whiny little
ANTZ types fake coughing and crying to the manager?
mike

In the beginning it was because of the whiny little ANTZ types.
But the bigger the clouds, the more times and places it becomes inappropriate to blow them.

 

[AndriaD]

In the beginning it was because of the whiny little ANTZ types.
But the bigger the clouds, the more times and places it becomes inappropriate to blow them.

Yes, and my husband -- a non-vaper, but 100% supportive of vaping -- everytime he sees one of those marshmallow clouds, just shakes his head and says "that's ridiculous, and totally unnecessary." I agree.

Andria

 

[DC2]

Threads like these ALWAYS wander into the extremes.
Which is kind of stupid, because the answer is in the freaking middle.

 

[zoiDman]

Why is it Always about ANTZ ?

Is that like the Catch-All, Go To Phrase to imply to Anyone/Everyone who Disagrees with someone here on the ECF who uses an e-Cigarette?

I know Many People who do Not Smoke or use an e-Cigarette that are Very Pro e-Cigarette use for HRT. But none of them believe that people should be Blowing Clouds in a Grocery Store.

Does that make these People ANTZ?

 

[RichJr]

Just remember to be courteous to all others. That's all. Blend in. Support not suppress. That goes both ways.

 

[TaketheRedPill]

Of course not! It was a nice mellow fog and went perfectly with the Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze my partner had cranked to 11. Vaping isn't smoking so there is no need not to vape wherever and whenever you like and that's an important point we need to get across to everyone all the time so they don't lump us in with those inconsiderate, selfish smokers!

The best one ever was when we were transporting this lady who was delivering a baby. No matter how much I told her "Just keep your legs together and hold the kid in, we'll be there soon" she wouldn't listen. So she was crowning away and I get down by her legs to help her and she's breathing and breathing and I stuck my head under her skirt and took a huge inhale and filled the skirt with vapor and pulled my head out. She looks down and sees all this mushroom cloud of vapor emitting from her skirt and I said "Hey look! You are having Satan's baby! Muhahahahahaha!" I'll tell you, women without an epidural have no sense of humor. She kicked me in the face.

The other night I was reading your post and I'm laughing my .... off. I was hoping I wasn't the only one who found it devilishly funny too. But Hendrix?! Next time you get a baby run, try Led Zeppelin, Mothership. Guaranteed to drown out the screams.

 

[VaperDynasty]

I bring my mod into stores but just put in my coat pocket

 

[Completely Average]

Oh, c'mon, tell us how you really feel about the constitution.

Since we're at it, also tell us how smoking is infringing on other people's RIGHT to life, while death sentences don't.

Easy. You have the right to life, liberty, and property, none of which can be denied you without DUE PROCESS.

Court is due process. You go to court, you get convicted, you get sentenced to death, that is DUE PROCESS.

Now, when you expose someone else to your potentially harmful smoke or vapor without giving them a choice in the matter, have you given them their due process before denying them their liberty? Their freedom of choice?


See how easy that was? 6th grade history material right there. Got any other come-backs to try to make yourself feel clever?

 

[Completely Average]

They're also free to get up and move away from me. Maybe I don't want to smell the obese guy walking down the street eating a big mac after not showering for a week. Doesnt mean I can legally do anything about it.

Nope, but their smell isn't potentially putting your health at risk.

Despite what you may want to believe, there are substances in ecigs that some people are allergic to. You're absolutely putting their health at risk if you expose them to those substances. I've got a nephew with an extremely severe nut allergy, and any vapor containing natural nut extracts could send him to the hospital. Do you believe you have the right to do that to him?

Vaping may not be specifically protected by the Constitution, but I could make some arguments about where it could fit in.

Go ahead and try. Seriously, give it a shot.

But I'll bet all it takes is one person having an allergic reaction to bring your whole argument crashing down. Watch someone rushed off to the emergency room because of your own actions and try to convince yourself that you had the Constitutional right to do that to them. See how that works out for you.

 

[Thespis]

Nope, but their smell isn't potentially putting your health at risk.

Despite what you may want to believe, there are substances in ecigs that some people are allergic to. You're absolutely putting their health at risk if you expose them to those substances. I've got a nephew with an extremely severe nut allergy, and any vapor containing natural nut extracts could send him to the hospital. Do you believe you have the right to do that to him?




Go ahead and try. Seriously, give it a shot.

But I'll bet all it takes is one person having an allergic reaction to bring your whole argument crashing down. Watch someone rushed off to the emergency room because of your own actions and try to convince yourself that you had the Constitutional right to do that to them. See how that works out for you.

If your nephew is that sensitive, someone eating nuts could set off a reaction by breathing near him or brushing against him. Should everyone stop eating nuts in public?

 

[Spidey2011]

Nope, but their smell isn't potentially putting your health at risk.

Despite what you may want to believe, there are substances in ecigs that some people are allergic to. You're absolutely putting their health at risk if you expose them to those substances. I've got a nephew with an extremely severe nut allergy, and any vapor containing natural nut extracts could send him to the hospital. Do you believe you have the right to do that to him?




Go ahead and try. Seriously, give it a shot.

But I'll bet all it takes is one person having an allergic reaction to bring your whole argument crashing down. Watch someone rushed off to the emergency room because of your own actions and try to convince yourself that you had the Constitutional right to do that to them. See how that works out for you.

Does your nephew live in a bubble? Because if he's that sensitive to it, he probably should. So basically what you're saying is that no one has a right to vape in public because someone "might" be allergic. Bit of a stretch and sounds a lot like the argument that someone "might" get offended.

If your nephew is that sensitive, someone eating nuts could set off a reaction by breathing near him or brushing against him. Should everyone stop eating nuts in public?

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