It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[Phassat]

If people really do have a "right to clear air"... why are there cars? Why are they all over the place? Why is there an interstate system on which to drive those cars?

Andria

I don't know the regulation for cars in US but related with clear air, in some countries it is banned to have a car with lots of visible smoke out of the mufflers. If it is not regulated, that would make people cranky as well when they have to see or pass through black smoke from cars (but for multiple reasons between the black smoke, smelly, and toxic)...

Different is, majority need cars, but minority do vape.

Since I found vaping, I can vape anywhere in the house and some spot at office as well... For now, I am really grateful already compared with when I smoke

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Sec. 15."Manufacturer"means a person or cooperative,located inside or outside Indiana, that is engaged in manufacturing e-liquid
https://iga.in.gov/static-documents/4/a/8/2/4a82456e/HB1432.07.ENRH.pdf

there it is in black and white. it says a person (not a business).
notice they include cooperative.they are nonprofit by
definition and need not be even incorporated.
it could be a few DIY'ers getting together and buying
materials in bulk to save money.

regards
mike

And combined with Sec 21..
You might want to start reading at page 12 to the end.

 

[chopdoc]

That is for manufactured ejuice not DIY ingredients. None of the DIY ingredients I buy states that they are intended for making ecig ejuice, not even the nicotine. Nothing I have read impacts an individual buying the ingredients and making ejuice for their own consumption, they just cannot sell the juice they make to others without being permitted.

Did you read what Hoosier said, by omitting DIY they in effect included it in the group of those who will have to meet the new requirements. They tried to get this changed before the bill passed but in the end was ignored and the DIY people got screwed for it. Any manufacture of e-juice means any, including DIYers.

 

[caramel]

Nope just punish the heck out of the bad ones. No one seems to like a cop until they need one.

So why wouldn't this same approach work with vapers?

 

[ScandaLeX]

The Funny Twist about the thing that Happened about that Owner is he Didn't want to Kick People Out for Vaping.

He Wanted to Allow Vaping. Be a Small Group of Individuals Screwed it Up for Everyone.

And I say again- the small group wasn't dealt with. The hammer was dropped on all vapers for something others weren't doing.

 

[Robino1]

But this thread was started because of someone acting irresponsibly. I am all for vaping anywhere but it needs to be respectful and common sense needs to be applied. My responses in this thread have been based mainly on the topic of it. The iresponsible vapers, not the ones who vape in public responsibly.

Trust me, I am all for vape anywhere --> respectfully and with common sense..

We do not have control over what others do.

Just a hypothesis: What would You do if you saw someone doing what the OP stated?

We, realistically, only have control over what we do. We can theoretically lead by example.

 

[SissySpike]

We do not have control over what others do.

Just a hypothesis: What would You do if you saw someone doing what the OP stated?

We, realistically, only have control over what we do. We can theoretically lead by example.

Exactly! My Grandad always use to say what anybody else thinks of you is none of your dam business. Worry about your self thats a full time job all on its own

 

[raqball]

We do not have control over what others do.

Just a hypothesis: What would You do if you saw someone doing what the OP stated?

We, realistically, only have control over what we do. We can theoretically lead by example.

My response would depend on the reaction of others I suppose. If others paid it no attention then I'd probably say nothing.

If others in the store look oddly at it, said something or made a negative comment about then I'd probably approach the mod wielding, cloud creating person and have a discussion. My guess is that it would not go over well however. Someone acting with that little amount of respect for others can care less what anyone thinks or says. Having a discussion with them about is futile..

In the instance of my friends bar, I did try and ask people to not fog the joint up and it was always met with resistance. The whole it's my right argument..

We all vape and we all want it to succeed. You are right we can't control what others do but we can be upset when they damage the cause by acting irresponsibility.

 

[jseah]

Did you read what Hoosier said, by omitting DIY they in effect included it in the group of those who will have to meet the new requirements. They tried to get this changed before the bill passed but in the end was ignored and the DIY people got screwed for it. Any manufacture of e-juice means any, including DIYers.

And the legislation mentions bottling e-liquid OR distributing it for sale. So while DIYers wouldn't be selling their e-liquids, they would technically be bottling it.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Not true. Go to a farmers market and find out just how many people are selling their "uncertified foods." Lol. Horrible comparison.

those are not prepared foods.

Read the bill from page 21 to the end.

 

[jseah]

I don't know the regulation for cars in US but related with clear air, in some countries it is banned to have a car with lots of visible smoke out of the mufflers. If it is not regulated, that would make people cranky as well when they have to see or pass through black smoke from cars (but for multiple reasons between the black smoke, smelly, and toxic)...

Different is, majority need cars, but minority do vape.

Since I found vaping, I can vape anywhere in the house and some spot at office as well... For now, I am really grateful already compared with when I smoke

In California, there is laws in the motor vehicle code that prohibits cars which spew smoke out the tail pipe, and the police can pull a driver over and cite them for it, although this is rarely enforced unless they want to use this as an excuse to pull the car over.

 

[caramel]

And the legislation mentions bottling e-liquid OR distributing it for sale. So while DIYers wouldn't be selling their e-liquids, they would technically be bottling it.

How about canned e-juice? Or "mix-on-demand" dispensers?

 

[chopdoc]

And the legislation mentions bottling e-liquid OR distributing it for sale. So while DIYers wouldn't be selling their e-liquids, they would technically be bottling it.

When you make Ejuice, do you not bottle it yourself? Look at the companies like ITCvapes who mix and bottle it when they recieve the order. How is what they are doing any different than what a home DIYer is doing except the DIYer is doing it for themselves, not for sale (in most cases)

 

[jseah]

How about canned e-juice?

Or just leave it in the mixing beaker. You're then technically not bottling it.

 

[Robino1]

Someone acting with that little amount of respect for others can care less what anyone thinks or says.

And that is it in a nutshell. We can talk circles around this till the cows come home and it won't change a damn thing.

In the instance of my friends bar

At least you friend had the choice of whether or not to ban the activity. Could he have handled it differently? I think he could have.

My thoughts on how I would have handled it: If you vape with an insane amount of clouds, you will be asked to leave. Do it outside. If you can control yourself and vape respectfully, you may do so in the bar.

A few times of this and they get the point. If they choose to not visit the bar.....that is on them. Your friend has already lost their business. Unless they have decided that they will drink and not vape. Kicking all vapers out ...

 

[raqball]

In California, there is laws in the motor vehicle code that prohibits cars which spew smoke out the tail pipe, and the police can pull a driver over and cite them for it, although this is rarely enforced unless they want to use this as an excuse to pull the car over.

Speaking of.. My Truck needs to be smogged this year..

I almost forgot and my DMV appointment is in 2 weeks. Guess I better get on it..

 

[jseah]

When you make Ejuice, do you not bottle it yourself? Look at the companies like ITCvapes who mix and bottle it when they recieve the order. How is what they are doing any different than what a home DIYer is doing except the DIYer is doing it for themselves, not for sale (in most cases)

That is exactly what I am saying. While a DIYer is not selling it, they are bottling it, so it will fall under the first part of the "OR".

 

[raqball]

And that is it in a nutshell. We can talk circles around this till the cows come home and it won't change a damn thing.



At least you friend had the choice of whether or not to ban the activity. Could he have handled it differently? I think he could have.

My thoughts on how I would have handled it: If you vape with an insane amount of clouds, you will be asked to leave. Do it outside. If you can control yourself and vape respectfully, you may do so in the bar.

A few times of this and they get the point. If they choose to not visit the bar.....that is on them. Your friend has already lost their business. Unless they have decided that they will drink and not vape. Kicking all vapers out ...

He didn't kick them all out and trust me he tried many of the things you mention.

I didn't go into great detail over what he tried and did but you can still vape there kind of. He has a closed in area outside that used for parties and such. He lets people go there to vape if they want. Unless that area is occupied with a party of course.

Previous responses have been very combative or I might have went into more detail about it before. I don't own the place and I don't talk to him everyday so maybe he tried other things that I am not aware of. I do know that at times, it got out of hand. The police were called a few times because people refused to stop vaping or got in his face to argue..

 

[caramel]

We do not have control over what others do.

Looking at your "Senior Moderator" ribbon. Looking at your post. Scratching my head.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

And the legislation mentions bottling e-liquid OR distributing it for sale. So while DIYers wouldn't be selling their e-liquids, they would technically be bottling it.

The bottling part has to do with the clean rooms, labeling, child proof tops and approved ingredients. I noticed that alcohol was not included in the approved list of ingredients.
the penalties part has to do with retailers

 

[Robino1]

Looking at your "Senior Moderator" ribbon. Looking at your post. Scratching my head.

Ok, ok, I lied

Sue me



Seriously though, in the real world (and we know this is not, this is just a tiny slice and people behave much differently in person than behind the anonymity of a keyboard) we really only have control over our kids, pets (that is even debatable) and ourselves.

I really don't control what you say, I only control what gets shown.