Yep every group has a minority that messes it up for everyone else in the group. Pedo-priests for example.
It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...
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Yep every group has a minority that messes it up for everyone else in the group. Pedo-priests for example.
These threads always become about every reason that vaping is getting banned.
There are nuggets of truth in all the reasons. Even those creating the legislation have no real clue what true vaping is all about. Most have never even seen a PV. All they know are the commercials they see on TV regarding the cig-a-likes or the Blu type. Even the FDA are clueless.
Yes, there is disrespect in EVERY area. From the people that have their bass going in their cars in the middle of the night, to parents who let their kids run wild at restaurants, to people who don't care who they offend with whatever.
It has become a sad state of affairs when the minority of offenders take precedence over the millions of respectful people. It just goes to show, those that cry get rewarded.
Jerks are in all walks of life and in EVERY type of activity. Do we blame all of the participants of that activity? Or do we really see what it truly is....ONE person acting like a jerk.
To say that a certain segment of the vaping community is ruining it for all of us is not a true statement. The JERKS (whom are probably jerks no matter what they are doing) are just that....
The best that we can hope to do is present ourselves, individually, as we would like to be perceived. We only have control over what we do as individuals. We can try to educate, but if we hide....who are we educating? If we vape responsibly, we can educate and show that it isn't all a cloud chasing competition. Cloud competitions have their place. At least they still have a place to do it.
This is human nature, to push the boundaries. It happened with snow boarding, race car driving etc. They have their place. Let them.
Innovation happens when we let them push the boundaries. We would not have devices that are more effective and easier to use if those boundaries had not been pushed.
We are all vapers.
[HASHTAG]#vapingsavedmylife[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#notblowingsmoke[/HASHTAG]
There are nuggets of truth in all the reasons. Even those creating the legislation have no real clue what true vaping is all about. Most have never even seen a PV. All they know are the commercials they see on TV regarding the cig-a-likes or the Blu type. Even the FDA are clueless.
Yes, there is disrespect in EVERY area. From the people that have their bass going in their cars in the middle of the night, to parents who let their kids run wild at restaurants, to people who don't care who they offend with whatever.
It has become a sad state of affairs when the minority of offenders take precedence over the millions of respectful people. It just goes to show, those that cry get rewarded.
Jerks are in all walks of life and in EVERY type of activity. Do we blame all of the participants of that activity? Or do we really see what it truly is....ONE person acting like a jerk.
To say that a certain segment of the vaping community is ruining it for all of us is not a true statement. The JERKS (whom are probably jerks no matter what they are doing) are just that....
The best that we can hope to do is present ourselves, individually, as we would like to be perceived. We only have control over what we do as individuals. We can try to educate, but if we hide....who are we educating? If we vape responsibly, we can educate and show that it isn't all a cloud chasing competition. Cloud competitions have their place. At least they still have a place to do it.
This is human nature, to push the boundaries. It happened with snow boarding, race car driving etc. They have their place. Let them.
Innovation happens when we let them push the boundaries. We would not have devices that are more effective and easier to use if those boundaries had not been pushed.
We are all vapers.
[HASHTAG]#vapingsavedmylife[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#notblowingsmoke[/HASHTAG]
Exactly right. Some people have a hard time finishing a pk a day... some of us smoked 3 pks a day. I take as kindly to "why can't you go [x amount of time] without a vape?" as I did to "why do you smoke so much?" Because I want to, that's all the reason that's necessary; no one else's input or opinion is needed.
Andria
I wonder how many advocating for vape anywhere regardless of it's appropriateness or it's lack of common courtesy would sub ohm and blow fog machine'esk clouds in a hospital, a cancer center, a day care or their church?
If people really do have a "right to clear air"... why are there cars? Why are they all over the place? Why is there an interstate system on which to drive those cars?
Andria
Its not that it prohibits it, it makes it finacially impossible for the home DIYer to be able to do.
Requires a manufacturer of e-liquid to obtain a permit from the alcohol and tobacco commission before bottling e-liquid or selling e-liquid to retailers or distributors. Provides that the initial application for a manufacturing permit must include: (1) plans for the applicant's manufacturing facility; (2) a service agreement between the applicant and a security firm requiring the security firm to certify that the manufacturer meets certain security requirements; and (3) an application fee of $1,000. Provides that a manufacturer's permit is valid for five years and establishes requirements for permit renewal, including a $500 permit renewal application fee.
I can elect to not go to church, problem solved.
Tell us about something else though, like police brutality. Should we ban police?
That is for manufactured ejuice not DIY ingredients. None of the DIY ingredients I buy states that they are intended for making ecig ejuice, not even the nicotine. Nothing I have read impacts an individual buying the ingredients and making ejuice for their own consumption, they just cannot sell the juice they make to others without being permitted.
I have been in this thread from the beginning. I have posted in this thread a few times and it is on my watched list. Just because someone states that they choose to vape anywhere they are not saying that they are choosing to sub ohm anywhere.
There are ways that people can vape anywhere and no one be the wiser. I can vape anywhere and if nothing comes out of my mouth....am I really vaping? To anyone watching me....they would just think I was chewing on my drip tip.
I do not sub ohm. Never have, never tried.
Sec. 15."Manufacturer"means a person or cooperative,located inside or outside Indiana, that is engaged in manufacturing e-liquid
https://iga.in.gov/static-documents/4/a/8/2/4a82456e/HB1432.07.ENRH.pdf
there it is in black and white. it says a person (not a business).
notice they include cooperative.they are nonprofit by
definition and need not be even incorporated.
it could be a few DIY'ers getting together and buying
materials in bulk to save money.
regards
mike
Take a look in the regulations forum. Hoosier posted a breakdown of this question. The Indiana organization has people with expertise in legislation and they have studied the wording of the Bill. I don't understand this stuff, but apparently if DIY was to be exempted from the regs it would have had to be specifically exempted in the wording. It wasn't, so by default it is included and an individual making juice will fall under the definition of manufacturer. Hoosier compared it with the regs covering brewing. There is a specific exemption for people who brew beer at home for their own consumption. This is just how legislative language works.
That doesn't mean they will enforce it. It might be impractical for them to do that, or they might not feel the need to. They probably don't care about a handful of DIY'ers. They just want to stop vaping taking hold among the overall smoking population.
I advocate vaping anywhere and wouldn't blow giant clouds in a hospital. Spent many hours in waiting rooms recently dealing with side effects from a concussion. Migraines like you wouldn't believe. Wearing dark sunglasses and using my big sig 100+. But guess what? No one ever saw any vapor and I was never asked to stop. Wasn't trying to hide it then either. Vaping was about the only thing keeping me sane. Lol.
I did have a couple nurses ask what it was when they called me back, but I explained it to them and they said, "Oh ok. Good to see you off cigarettes!"
Yes.
But this thread was started because of someone acting irresponsibly. I am all for vaping anywhere but it needs to be respectful and common sense needs to be applied. My responses in this thread have been based mainly on the topic of it. The iresponsible vapers, not the ones who vape in public responsibly.
Trust me, I am all for vape anywhere --> respectfully and with common sense..
Sec. 15."Manufacturer"means a person or cooperative,located inside or outside Indiana, that is engaged in manufacturing e-liquid
https://iga.in.gov/static-documents/4/a/8/2/4a82456e/HB1432.07.ENRH.pdf
there it is in black and white. it says a person (not a business).
notice they include cooperative.they are nonprofit by
definition and need not be even incorporated.
it could be a few DIY'ers getting together and buying
materials in bulk to save money.
regards
mike
Under health laws you cannot make food products and sell it without being certified, etc and yet you make food products all the time in your home. You just do not sell it to others.
Not true. Go to a farmers market and find out just how many people are selling their "uncertified foods." Lol. Horrible comparison.
What's sad is that the best BT delivery system out there in the US is the blu Plus+ mini tank system (it is what I used to quit cigs before I switched to better, and refillable, gear a month and a half later). What's even sadder is in the UK, blu markets the Pro kit, which is basically a user-refillable eGo battery and clearomizer.
So obviously BT wants to maintain the monopoly in the US by requiring that they sell everything, whereas in Europe they have adopted the refillable ability we have now.
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