It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[Asbestos4004]

You've contributed some good stuff here, I think -- despite a tendency to suggest that anyone vaping in public must be "blowing huge clouds in people's faces" -- I also read the more recent post in which you expressed support for vaping anywhere, if done courteously and responsibly, and that is the exact position I support. There ARE venues where vaping is not appropriate -- church being the one that leaps to mind first. But most others, respectful vaping would not be amiss. I *personally* understand why vaping in restaurants and groceries is a bad idea, unless done with the utmost of care and responsibility -- the fact is that most will not exercise that care or responsibility, and that being true, then banning vaping from those locations isn't a TERRIBLE idea, just an unfortunate one.

Andria

I think you are dead wrong, there. The fact is, most DO excercise that care and responsibility. There's a needle or two in the giant hay stack that blow clouds in the grocery store or in the Walmart. That is not most of us...that's an extremely isolated incident. The only reason it's made it 30+ pages now, is because it's an extremely isolated incident.
Do we all need to start threads like "Didn't see anyone vaping inappropriately today while running my errands" or "Bumped into several courteous vapers at the mall today" or "No Cloud Chasers ruined my dining experience at Hooters last night".
I have yet to see anyone advocating rude and obnoxious vaping in this thread....but as soon as anyone disagrees with vaping only in the smoking section, their branded a Pro Cloud Chasing everywhere zealot.
Give credit where it's due....most are already taking that care and responsibility....and have been for a long time.

 

[caramel]

[...]
You've said at every opportunity in order to understand business one most own a business & if they don't own a business they can't possibly know what they're talking about.

This argument is present in every single thread about "vaping in a bar/restaurant".

I would agree with it only in a package where:

-non-smokers / non-vapers are barred from touching in any way the subject of smoking/vaping and are excluded from any discussion about such subjects
-non-cloudz-blowers are barred from touching the subject of cloudz

 

[raqball]

I agree with most of what you said but the issue is (and it's not just with vaping) a few bad apples ruin it for the rest.

It only takes one incident to ruin someones opinion of vaping. That incident in now ingrained in their head and trying to convince them otherwise and that it was an isolated incident just became 10x harder.

 

[zoiDman]

So all we gotta do is when the thread dies out or retired get tired of it and closes it we need to go threw and count likes to see what side won?
But we gotta start a debate thread to decide which posts are on what side.

I don't see any real Winning or Loosing in a Thread like this. People have their Opinions. And a Desire to Express them.

This Thread Topic has been Done Many Times. And will Continue to be done Many Times as long as their is a Person who sees a Vaper doing something in Public that they feel Hurts the Image of All Vapers.

 

[SissySpike]

This argument is present in every single thread about "vaping in a bar/restaurant".

I would agree with it only in a package where:

-non-smokers / non-vapers are barred from touching in any way the subject of smoking/vaping and are excluded from any discussion about such subjects
-non-cloudz-blowers are barred from touching the subject of cloudz

Geez all this barred from touching can a guy at least touch his self?

 

[skoony]

I've always supported vaping anywhere as long as it's respectful and courteous. That was not the topic of this thread though. The topic and this thread was about people acting poorly. Had the topic been "Should you be allowed to vape anywhere if done with respect and common sense" then my answer and my arguments therein would have been a yes and supportive.

i think the point i am trying to make is so what?
people that would behave that badly do not have a clue.
probably do other anti-social things as well.
they will do it anyway.
if it makes us look bad,it is what it is.
my concern is its not the norm. it is not
happening at rate that even merits attention.
is it rude,yes. is it happening everywhere.
no. extremely rare and rude behavior is not a
reflection on us vapers. of course the ANTZ will
use anything and over blow its occurrence 1000 fold.
we should not shame ourselves into a corner.
unless otherwise posted(by management not government)
vape away.
there is no need for force of law.society can handle this
if allowed to do so.
remember,goverment does not want society handling its
own affairs.
1.society usually gets it right more than the government does.
2.most importantly its free.
mike

 

[caramel]

Geez all this barred from touching can a guy at least touch his self?

Not in a public place such a restaurant

 

[SissySpike]

I don't see any real Winning or Loosing in a Thread like this. People have their Opinions. And a Desire to Express them.

This Thread Topic has been Done Many Times. And will Continue to be done Many Times as long as their is a Person who sees a Vaper doing something in Public that they feel Hurts the Image of All Vapers.

Yea just being silly Zoid the only real losers are the homeless kittens

I agree with most of what you said but the issue is (and it's not just with vaping) a few bad apples ruin it for the rest.

It only takes one incident to ruin someones opinion of vaping. That incident in now ingrained in their head and trying to convince them otherwise and that it was an isolated incident just became 10x harder.

not sure what comment your referring to would you quote please.

 

[SissySpike]

Not in a public place such a restaurant

GRRRRRR more stupid edict and regulations stooping ones self from enjoying the simple pleasures in life

 

[zoiDman]

Yea just being silly Zoid the only real losers are the homeless kittens View attachment 456172
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Vaping in the Cereal Aisle makes Homeless Cats cry.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Ah, truncated quoting / misquoting... funny that it's always the let's-not-vape camp using it.

Let it be known I will not quote entire long winded post. What you see in my quote is what I'm responding to. I've been doing that for years- no matter what forum I'm on.

 

[caramel]

So all we gotta do is when the thread dies out or retired get tired of it and closes it we need to go threw and count likes to see what side won?
But we gotta start a debate thread to decide which posts are on what side.

Let me write the executive summary:

- Camp A supports banning vaping since "a few bad apples will blow cloudz"
- Camp B supports the idea that vapers should vape

Camp B admitts that cloudz blown in other people's personal space are a problem and should not be allowed, proposes that enforcement should be based case by case
Camp A does not admit a case by case judgement and wants the whole apple barrel thrown out

We're now stuck there.

 

[skoony]

I agree with most of what you said but the issue is (and it's not just with vaping) a few bad apples ruin it for the rest.

It only takes one incident to ruin someones opinion of vaping. That incident in now ingrained in their head and trying to convince them otherwise and that it was an isolated incident just became 10x harder.

well then its over. the debate has ended.
the OP's rude vaper has already ruined it for us all.
it was a good fight on both sides of the issue.
lets all of us give ourselves a pat on the back.

no hard feelings and regards
mike

 

[USMCotaku]

Let it be known I will not quote entire long winded post. What you see in my quote is what I'm responding to. I've been doing that for years- no matter what forum I'm on.

Doing so isn't an issue, unless doing so changes the meaning of the original post in a way to support your position better.. Which was really what the person was complaining about

 

[SissySpike]

Let me write the executive summary:

- Camp A supports banning vaping since "a few bad apples will blow cloudz"
- Camp B supports the idea that vapers should vape

Camp B admitts that cloudz blown in other people's personal space are a problem and should not be allowed, proposes that enforcement should be based case by case
Camp A does not admit a case by case judgement and wants the whole apple barrel thrown out

We're now stuck there.

First we cant touch our selves now your the Executive I guess I have to say yes Maam now. Or do you prefer Mistress

 

[SissySpike]

well then its over. the debate has ended.
the OP's rude vaper has already ruined it for us all.
it was a good fight on both sides of the issue.
lets all of us give ourselves a pat on the back.

no hard feelings and regards
mike

I disagree1

 

[zoiDman]

...

- Camp A supports banning vaping since "a few bad apples will blow cloudz"
- Camp B supports the idea that vapers should vape

...

Seems like a somewhat Polarized View of the Players Involved.

Do you believe that Everyone is either in Camp A or in Camp B? Because I have seen a Range of Views and Reactions in this Thread.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Banning vapers/vaping seems downright silly to me. If I visited this bar, I'd vape in it. And I wouldn't get caught. Just to show how silly it is. Kinda like the sign "long haired freaky people need not apply."

To me, an alternative solution is make part of the bar vape friendly, and another part vape verboten. Yeah, I get that some of it would waft over into the non-vaping section, but then it becomes a matter of how good is your ventilation? Not so good? That's going to hurt your reputation. Or possibly, make the outdoor patio area, vape friendly when bar is beyond a certain capacity. But with a section for vapers, it could have rules like, 'no standing in this section to vape'. So you have say 10 seats for vapers, and if those are full, then that's that. Vaping is allowed, crowd is more controlled, and if ventilation is good, then really ought to be very little issue.

This part of your post reminded me of a time when many restaurants had the smoking section. As a smoker it was hard for me to eat in places that allowed smoking only because of the stench of stale cigarette smoke lingering in the air for hours- to me stomach it was nauseating.

Now vaping- I dont have that problem. I've never encountered a stench from vaping & everyone I've encountered while vaping have all said- OMG what is that? It smells wonderful! Is that one of those e-thingies?

 

[skoony]

Let me write the executive summary:

- Camp A supports banning vaping since "a few bad apples will blow cloudz"
- Camp B supports the idea that vapers should vape

Camp B admitts that cloudz blown in other people's personal space are a problem and should not be allowed, proposes that enforcement should be based case by case
Camp A does not admit a case by case judgement and wants the whole apple barrel thrown out

We're now stuck there.

you forgot
-Camp C stealth vape and fa-get a bout it.

mike

 

[SissySpike]

you forgot
-Camp C stealth vape and fa-get a bout it.

mike

OOO but they are reinforcing that you should have to sneak like we are doing something wrong