It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[caramel]

Seems like a somewhat Polarized View of the Players Involved.

Do you believe that Everyone is either in Camp A or in Camp B? Because I have seen a Range of Views and Reactions in this Thread.

What's a good middle ground between:
- banning vaping in general
- banning only aggresive behaviour that affects other people's personal space

 

[Asbestos4004]

This part of your post reminded me of a time when many restaurants had the smoking section. As a smoker it was hard for me to eat in places that allowed smoking only because of the stench of stale cigarette smoke lingering in the air for hours- to me stomach it was nauseating.

Now vaping- I dont have that problem. I've never encountered a stench from vaping & everyone I've encountered while vaping have all said- OMG what is that? It smells wonderful! Is that one of those e-thingies?

When I smoked, I always opted for the no smoking section. Unless it was a Mexican restaurant..... I loved those margaritas!

 

[zoiDman]

OK.

So now we have:

Camp C: Stealth Vape.

Camp D: Don't Stealth or Hide it.

How about...

Camp E: Ask before you Vape in Someone's House or Business

BTW - When this is All Done, I think we are going to need a Bigger Alphabet.

LOL

 

[zoiDman]

What's a good middle ground between:
- banning vaping in general
- banning only aggresive behaviour that affects other people's personal space

Camp E ?

 

[raqball]

I guess I'm in camp C and E..

Bike ride time then off to a BBQ.. Have fun in here y'all..

 

[SissySpike]

Camp F vape openly but dont get caught or maybe that is more like C.1

 

[caramel]

This part of your post reminded me of a time when many restaurants had the smoking section. As a smoker it was hard for me to eat in places that allowed smoking only because of the stench of stale cigarette smoke lingering in the air for hours- to me stomach it was nauseating.

Now vaping- I dont have that problem. I've never encountered a stench from vaping & everyone I've encountered while vaping have all said- OMG what is that? It smells wonderful! Is that one of those e-thingies?

I've seen this problem solved by some restaurants through having just a non-smoking eating section plus a "smoking lounge" room with a minibar where one could temporarily retreat for a cig break. Since the smoking area was dedicated, it had higher ventilation volume than acceptable in an eating area, but perfectly appropriate for smoking.

 

[KattMamma]

That is for manufactured ejuice not DIY ingredients. None of the DIY ingredients I buy states that they are intended for making ecig ejuice, not even the nicotine. Nothing I have read impacts an individual buying the ingredients and making ejuice for their own consumption, they just cannot sell the juice they make to others without being permitted.

Regardless of your interpretation of the law, I think the real challenge is going to be finding someone to sell you the ingredients. One thread about the IN law named a vendor who had already sent out emails saying when the law passed they would stop selling anything in IN. I'm sure many others will do the same.

 

[skoony]

OOO but they are reinforcing that you should have to sneak like we are doing something wrong

but no one would know i was not doing something wrong.
that's the beauty of it.

mike

 

[dmwalker24]

I am a person who says vape everywhere with respect.

The respect part, for me, does not equate to 'whenever I want.' But the arguments put forth on these type of threads, and what business owner types have communicated have done zero to have me budge from this, reasonable, position.

It is not difficult, for me, to delay personal gratification. Also wasn't difficult for me to go cold turkey from smoking. But also am not 'having to impose what I want on everyone around me,' when I vape in public. I rarely do that, and when I do, it is in bar like setting where I've been given explicit permission to vape. Had I not, then the part of vaping in that bar in the open, would probably not meet with my own standards of respect. But I would still vape in a bar where the policy was 'no' as there are places, even in a crowded bar, where you can vape and it is still respectful. Though admittedly, it is around 10 times easier to vape in a hospital than in a crowded bar, at least when respect is on the table.

This idea of vape only where you smoke is too easy to poke holes in. I've done it before, always happy to do it again. I would hope those who are anti-vaping in public have more than that to their game, or they would be easy to overcome, both in argument and in shared reality.

This idea of - just because you can, doesn't mean you should, is ANTZ rhetoric. Just because you can vape in your house, doesn't mean you should. How's that grab you? Or better yet, just because you can vape, doesn't mean you should. And better still, just because I can vape in public with respect, does mean I should. Let's hear the counter argument to that.

The fact that so many vapers have bought into ANTZ rhetoric, and that public bans seem inevitable, then it is even more reason why if you can now, why wouldn't you? And if you can now, why wouldn't you do it with respect, in the off chance that it might not happen anytime real soon, though the way things are going, it could rather easily be this year in your neck of the woods. So, knowing that, why wouldn't you vape right now in public while it is still permissible?

If you're vaping with respect then what I said wasn't directed at you. I'm not anti-vaping in any way shape or form, and the point about not vaping in one's home carries about as much weight as the straw it is stuffed with. All I'm saying is that in a community of social creatures it is worthwhile to consider the feelings/opinions of others even if they are wrong about their fundamental assumptions. There are a lot more of them than there are of you, and you are likely to get more of what you want by being considerate than by freaking them out.

I really don't understand the need to go to tribal extremes in this discussion. The 'us vs. them' hard line mentality probably isn't the best strategy when one is in the minority. Then again you can take the shortcut around democracy and society and just hop in bed with big tobacco. I'm sure they'll have no trouble paying off enough politicians to keep vaping around... The way they want it.

 

[SissySpike]

Regardless of your interpretation of the law, I think the real challenge is going to be finding someone to sell you the ingredients. One thread about the IN law named a vendor who had already sent out emails saying when the law passed they would stop selling anything in IN. I'm sure many others will do the same.

Just get a PO box in the closest state to you and vape away.

 

[caramel]

OK.

So now we have:

Camp C: Stealth Vape.

Camp D: Don't Stealth or Hide it.

How about...

Camp E: Ask before you Vape in Someone's House or Business

BTW - When this is All Done, I think we are going to need a Bigger Alphabet.

LOL

C is basically "I don't care between A or B cause I can stealth it"
D is B
E is basically "I don't care between A or B"

So we have one new valid category: CE "I don't care".

I wonder why those in CE have to argue at all in this debate

 

[SissySpike]

I wonder why those in CE have to argue at all in this debate

Because they care for the homeless kittens

 

[caramel]

I guess I'm in camp C and E..

Bike ride time then off to a BBQ.. Have fun in here y'all..

I've heard California is in the process of banning BBQ cause smoke, smell and potentially toxic carcinogens etc. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[zoiDman]

Because they care for the homeless kittens View attachment 456177

People who Vape in Cereal Aisles Hate Homeless Kittens.

 

[snork]

I agree with most of what you said but the issue is (and it's not just with vaping) a few bad apples ruin it for the rest.

It only takes one incident to ruin someones opinion of vaping. That incident in now ingrained in their head and trying to convince them otherwise and that it was an isolated incident just became 10x harder.

Someone sees a cloudblower in Walmart and thinks: "Wow. That's so COOL!""
Nah, that could never be a possibility.

 

[SissySpike]

People who Vape in Cereal Aisles Hate Homeless Kittens.

Yes they are a soulless lot!

 

[USMCotaku]

I've heard California is in the process of banning BBQ cause smoke, smell and potentially toxic carcinogens etc. Enjoy it while it lasts.

They already banned beach bonfires once.....

 

[SissySpike]

Someone sees a cloudblower in Walmart and thinks: "Wow. That's so COOL!""
Nah, that could never be a possibility.

Depends on how big their belly is and how small their shirt is

There are study's under way seeing if belly to shirt size in proportionate to IQ or lack of.

 

[zoiDman]

Spoiler: News Flash!

I just got an e-Mail Alert in Outlook that Wasn't for "It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us..."

LOL