It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[chopdoc]

Part of this aurgument that people are trying to deflect from and turn aside is perspective. As the original poster said, someone was walking around with a mech mod in one hand and a bottle in the other and blowing massive clouds. I dont know if that the exact wording or not but its the gist of the original post. Now ask yourself, do you think they would of posted that if the person was walking around with an EGO 650 and a CE4 they was puffing on? Of course not. How about if they was using a clouper and a kayfun. People might take offense but I doubt if it would be a real big deal.
I can understand the cloud chaser stance. Why should they be blamed. Sadly its because someone already went there and was very .... about ruining it for everyone. The big clouds are what was noticed and drew attention to the situation. Recently LSU banned vaping on the entire campus. Why you might ask, you guessed it. The cloud chaser striked again. Young people was flaunting the no smoking rules by blowing massive clouds everywhere. From what I heard the straw that broke the camels back was when a handful of students went to class and proceeded to cloud chase during class. There is even an ECF thread on this. The point is these cloud chasers believed it was there right to do this but in the end they disrespected the school, they disrespected the professor, they disrespected their fellow classmates and they disrespected all cloud chasers everywhere because its acts like this that makes it where the cloud chasers are given the brunt of the blame.
So back to what I originally asked. Do you think this thread would even exist if the guy who had the mech mod in one hand and the bottle in the other walking thru the store blowing massive clouds would of been puffing on an Ego with a CE4? How about if he was puffing on a Clouper mini with a kayfun? I dont think this thread would exist if that was the case.

 

[Shilo]

Yes this topic seems to come up again and again in some form. My position has been the same-- I don't vape anywhere where I wasn't allowed to smoke. I keep it to myself and I am discreet if I need to vape in public. I was used to being ostracized as a smoker and knew vaping would not be accepted with open arms easily. I remember being annoyed when I was told at an outside bar/restaurant that I needed to go to the smoking area with the smokers. And that was outdoors!

Now times have changed some, I see more vapers and don't get weird looks if holding my device. I even went into the county building a few weeks back and the security didn't even ask me what it was so I know the knowledge is out there.

I didn't blow smoke in people's faces and I sure don't blow my vape in their face either. But that's just me. I do what I am comfortable doing. My husband is much more carefree and will literally start vaping anywhere if he needs to badly enough.

For me it comes down to I am very scent sensitive in general (perfumes and the like) and I am aware more than some that vape smells can be annoying to another person just like perfume irritates me physically.

I think the way people are going to behave about vaping has alot to do with where they live and how much its accepted, their age and their life experience.

When a Meijer employee tells the guy he needs to do it outside or a customer complained he will think again about overzealous in your face vaping. We've got to work within the parameters that are set just like every other thing in life.

 

[beckdg]

You mean placing blame where it's due? Zero evidence points to legislation stemming from vapers and their actions. Insurmountable evidence points to BT, BF and tax hungry government being the sole cause of looming regulations. You guys should spend half as much effort towards fighting these regulations as you do vilifying a very small percentage of vapers and what/how/where they vape. The still largest percentage of vapers, the ones the public will more often encounter, are the tootle puffers, the ego type users etc.. To say the smallest percentage of the vape world is setting the public opinion of us and driving regulations is kinda silly.

Nope

Not kinda
Not silly

Ignorant
Blind
Self centered
Entitled (it's mine... you can't have it)
Etc., etc.

But not silly in the least

Though I applaud your attempt at diplomacy

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Part of this aurgument that people are trying to deflect from and turn aside is perspective. As the original poster said, someone was walking around with a mech mod in one hand and a bottle in the other and blowing massive clouds. I dont know if that the exact wording or not but its the gist of the original post. Now ask yourself, do you think they would of posted that if the person was walking around with an EGO 650 and a CE4 they was puffing on? Of course not. How about if they was using a clouper and a Kayfun. People might take offense but I doubt if it would be a real big deal.
I can understand the cloud chaser stance. Why should they be blamed. Sadly its because someone already went there and was very .... about ruining it for everyone. The big clouds are what was noticed and drew attention to the situation. Recently LSU banned vaping on the entire campus. Why you might ask, you guessed it. The cloud chaser striked again. Young people was flaunting the no smoking rules by blowing massive clouds everywhere. From what I heard the straw that broke the camels back was when a handful of students went to class and proceeded to cloud chase during class. There is even an ECF thread on this. The point is these cloud chasers believed it was there right to do this but in the end they disrespected the school, they disrespected the professor, they disrespected their fellow classmates and they disrespected all cloud chasers everywhere because its acts like this that makes it where the cloud chasers are given the brunt of the blame.
So back to what I originally asked. Do you think this thread would even exist if the guy who had the mech mod in one hand and the bottle in the other walking thru the store blowing massive clouds would of been puffing on an Ego with a CE4? How about if he was puffing on a Clouper mini with a kayfun? I dont think this thread would exist if that was the case.

So the argument that they're ruining it for everyone is simply means they're eliminating allowance one venue at a time before legislation wipes it out town by town, city by city, state by state and possibly at the federal level.

Interesting

Consider my panties proverbially bunched...

At the short sighted vilification.

Consider it dually noted that some posters would rather our youth suck down cancer sticks before they're allowed to reduce harm by vaping also. A common opinion of the "cloud chasers ruin everything camp".

When/if my kids decide to try smoking, my only hopes are;
1) they don't like it
And
2) if they do, they vape instead

Tapatyped

 

[raqball]

I'm afraid 2 cents might be a little steep on that! What's your return policy?

Sorry, no refunds as all opinions are final! You can exchange it for the same opinion though..

 

[Thespis]

I think when someone says they're leaving a thread, they should honor their word.

 

[raqball]

I think when someone says they're leaving a thread, they should honor their word.

Easier said than done. It's like a bad car wreck that you don't want to look at, but you do anyway...

I assume that comment was meant for me. Do you have anything other than that to add?

Either way, have a good weekend

 

[chopdoc]

So the argument that they're ruining it for everyone is simply means they're eliminating allowance one venue at a time before legislation wipes it out town by town, city by city, state by state and possibly at the federal level.

Interesting

Consider my panties proverbially bunched...

At the short sighted vilification.

Consider it dually noted that some posters would rather our youth suck down cancer sticks before they're allowed to reduce harm by vaping also. A common opinion of the "cloud chasers ruin everything camp".

When/if my kids decide to try smoking, my only hopes are;
1) they don't like it
And
2) if they do, they vape instead

Tapatyped

Really? You can shoot the messenger if that what makes you feel better but it doesnt change things in the least. A small handful of immature cloud chasing vapors have gone out of their way to give the vaping community a black eye, especially the cloud chasing faction. Was it their intentions to do this, of course not. Their intentions was too self centered to even consider the ramifications their actions held. Does that mean all cloud chasers are that way, of course not but the whole suffers from the actions of a few.

To think that all cloud chasers are the problem is about as immature as believing anyone with an opinion against those who caused this grief are part of a "cloud chaser ruin everything camp" and wants kids to smoke. Thats just plain asinine.

 

[raqball]

Really? You can shoot the messenger if that what makes you feel better but it doesnt change things in the least. A small handful of immature cloud chasing vapors have gone out of their way to give the vaping community a black eye, especially the cloud chasing faction. Was it their intentions to do this, of course not. Their intentions was too self centered to even consider the ramifications their actions held. Does that mean all cloud chasers are that way, of course not but the whole suffers from the actions of a few.

To think that all cloud chasers are the problem is about as immature as believing anyone with an opinion against those who caused this grief are part of a "cloud chaser ruin everything camp" and wants kids to smoke. Thats just plain asinine.

I do agree.. This thread was started over someone blowing clouds (cloud chaser was the inference I got from that) so many comments have been based on that inference.

I think most of us know that it's not just cloud chasers who act that way. I know plenty of respectful cloud chasers. They blow their fog machines when and where it's appropriate. I have no issues with that at all and if clouds are their thing then rock on!

 

[WillyZee]

I agree with one thing, the immature cloud chuckers are not making our vape look very appealing to the non-smokers.

The small number of cloud chasers we had using mechs as recent as 2 years ago were very respectful vapers.

It's the new wave of yahoos with their $40 iSticks and their $10 drippers ... IMO, it's them chucking vapor everywhere that is causing some backlash about vaping indoors.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Cloud Chaser - apparently the most influential, destructive and effective .5% of any community. We need to rally up all of the Cloud Chasers and get them involved in the war on terror.

 

[englishmick]

I wish I could stop reading this thread, but it's like scratching an itch. I swear this will be my last visit, again.

My pet peeve is people who leave their shopping cart standing in the parking lot on windy days. And the guy in my neighbourhood with the monster stereo in his car, which he always has on even if he's coming home at 2.00 in the morning.

You can't legislate respectful considerate behavior. You could make it a crime to not return your shopping cart to the corral, but it would mean hiring 1,000,000 more cops to patrol all the parking lots in America. And you can't ban shopping carts. You just have to live with the fact that there are *******'s among us.

Sadly, unlike shopping cart terrorism, vaping can be legislated. They can't hire 50,000 cops to roam the country looking for inappropriate vaping. But they can ban vaping. Which they would try to do anyway even if all of us decided we would only ever vape in our own homes.

In my year of vaping I've only seen what I would regard as inappropriate vaping once, in an electronics store. I'm sure that kind of incident has a negative impact on our cause, but as rarely as it seems to happen my guess is that it's vanishingly insignificant compared with everything else we have to contend with, like the corporations and the politicians.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I wish I could stop reading this thread, but it's like scratching an itch. I swear this will be my last visit, again.

My pet peeve is people who leave their shopping cart standing in the parking lot on windy days. And the guy in my neighbourhood with the monster stereo in his car, which he always has on even if he's coming home at 2.00 in the morning.

You can't legislate respectful considerate behavior. You could make it a crime to not return your shopping cart to the corral, but it would mean hiring 1,000,000 more cops to patrol all the parking lots in America. And you can't ban shopping carts. You just have to live with the fact that there are *******'s among us.

Sadly, unlike shopping cart terrorism, vaping can be legislated. They can't hire 50,000 cops to roam the country looking for inappropriate vaping. But they can ban vaping. Which they would try to do anyway even if all of us decided we would only ever vape in our own homes.

In my year of vaping I've only seen what I would regard as inappropriate vaping once, in an electronics store. I'm sure that kind of incident has a negative impact on our cause, but as rarely as it seems to happen my guess is that it's vanishingly insignificant compared with everything else we have to contend with, like the corporations and the politicians.

I sure can't argue with that. Vaping is pretty big where I live. I look for vapers. I'm not a Cloud Chaser or a Tootie Puffer....I guess I'm an equal opportunity offender, but I am a vaper. One would think if Cloud Chasers blowing clouds in public was such a common occurrence, I'd have seen it at least once. I haven't. I've seen a ton of Tootie Puffers openly vaping in stores or on sidewalks. Cigalike users and ego users....there's plenty of them around. I feel they've had zero impact on regulation or out right banning. I don't blame any kind of vaper for whats happening.....I blame the lack of free money coming in from tobacco taxes that we all use to fork over.

 

[Rizzyking]

I deal with politicians at all levels and their favourite thing to throw are rude and ignorant cloud chasers one of them (who I have no chance of turning to our cause) has a video on his phone of six kids blowing huge clouds and laughing at people that are coughing and I'm not on about the fake cough most of us have had. It's damn near impossible for me to spin it positively in anyway and whilst it is a tiny percentage of cloud chasers doing it their impact is far larger then their numbers and whether some like it or not or believe it they are damaging vaping for us all. As to the whole vaping is only for former smokers don't agree with that I know a few using it to help with dietary issues, but yeah has to be a but those who are doing it purely because it's the cool thing to do are idiots simple as that. I love vaping but if I hadn't smoked before I wouldn't be vaping as the coolest thing to do is put only air into your lungs nothing else and that group also help the arguments against vaping.

As I said this isn't a cloud chasing problem perse it's an immature stupid idiot problem it's just cloud chasing idiots are far easier to see and react too.

 

[skoony]

You should be a politician with your ability to talk in circles. You keep accusing me of telling you what other people think while telling me you know what I think. I call BS and I am done with you and this thread.

hold on there bluesnake.
you were the one that called me inconsiderate for not caring about what
"other people" think.
i most certainly do,if i know what they think.
i don't know what they think so i would not tell
you what to think based on what i think "other
people" are thinking because i do not know
what those "other people" are thinking.
there,hows that for talking in circles.

mike

 

[skoony]

I deal with politicians at all levels and their favourite thing to throw are rude and ignorant cloud chasers one of them (who I have no chance of turning to our cause) has a video on his phone of six kids blowing huge clouds and laughing at people that are coughing and I'm not on about the fake cough most of us have had. It's damn near impossible for me to spin it positively in anyway and whilst it is a tiny percentage of cloud chasers doing it their impact is far larger then their numbers and whether some like it or not or believe it they are damaging vaping for us all. As to the whole vaping is only for former smokers don't agree with that I know a few using it to help with dietary issues, but yeah has to be a but those who are doing it purely because it's the cool thing to do are idiots simple as that. I love vaping but if I hadn't smoked before I wouldn't be vaping as the coolest thing to do is put only air into your lungs nothing else and that group also help the arguments against vaping.

As I said this isn't a cloud chasing problem perse it's an immature stupid idiot problem it's just cloud chasing idiots are far easier to see and react too.

get a copy of the video. post it if allowed or message me a link.
surprised it hasn't gone viral on the anti-vaping social media.
mike

 

[Asbestos4004]

hold on there bluesnake.
you were the one that called me inconsiderate for not caring about what
"other people" think.
i most certainly do,if i know what they think.
i don't know what they think so i would not tell
you what to think based on what i think "other
people" are thinking because i do not know
what those "other people" are thinking.
there,hows that for talking in circles.

mike

What does an aneurism feel like?

 

[chopdoc]

Some people cloud chasing is there thing and they love lung hitting those hard core sub ohm high wattage vapes. I have no problem with that and I really dont think anyone who vapes does. I enjoy watching the cloud chasing competitions and seeing the cloud chasing tricks. Its beyond cool in my opinion. I cant do it because after 40 years of smoking and with COPD my lungs do not like that kind of volume of vapor in it.

But there is another side of the coin that must be faced. If you go into a vape shop and there is one or two cloud chasers there, is not the place usually hazy? Do you really want that haze when you and your family and kids are enjoying a meal? Watching a movie? On a flight going somewhere? Most people including many who vape dont because now it has gone from being cool to being annoying. There are a few here on this thread who refuses to see this. They believe they should have the right to blow clouds whenever they feel like it regardless that its shines all vapors in a bad light. All of us regardless how we vape should understand that our habit/hobby has a place and a time when it is acceptable and other times when its not.
This has nothing to do with the way smokers were treated and everything to do with common decency. Some people feel they have the right to pass gas when ever the urge hits them. Does that make it right or acceptable?

 

[Thespis]

Do you have anything other than that to add?

Passive aggressiveness is the reason I don't take anything you say seriously. This is a thinly veiled personal attack. These sorts of attacks exist in many of your posts.

 

[raqball]

Passive aggressiveness is the reason I don't take anything you say seriously. This is a thinly veiled personal attack. These sorts of attacks exist in many of your posts.

I'm devastated...