It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...
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i'd blame the cloud chasers.
God forbid they spoke some truth.
T
God forbid they spoke some truth.
T
I don't know what part of Cali you are in, but around here there aren't no vaping signs. I highly doubt that such signs are put up on account of any vapers actions. It's not like Antz propaganda didn't exist till the still blowing smoke ad campaign started. There have been scare tactics "news" stories filled with false information for years
Cognitive dissonance perhaps springs to mind on this thread, but still a good read (I did have to skip text walls/blocks though) 
if any of you lovely Americans care, and yes, I luv USA, spent a lot of time there,
I work a lot in NL, BE, CH and UK, I have not yet, seen any anti vape signs or seen anyone blowing clouds - but the ban is still coming, make of that what you will.
But myths or not, clouds or not...
My son will get fresh, clean air, that is all, and yes, we live in the country side, so the air here is just that.
Blow a cloud or a puff in my sons face and I will react, most likely the 6.2ft, 50% Irish reaction,
Force my son to have to walk in to a cloud, you are asking for trouble.
Also, I have to ask myself, why should any non vape head/smoker educate themselves on this subject...
Respect everyone's space, 'init!
if any of you lovely Americans care, and yes, I luv USA, spent a lot of time there,
I work a lot in NL, BE, CH and UK, I have not yet, seen any anti vape signs or seen anyone blowing clouds - but the ban is still coming, make of that what you will.
But myths or not, clouds or not...
My son will get fresh, clean air, that is all, and yes, we live in the country side, so the air here is just that.
Blow a cloud or a puff in my sons face and I will react, most likely the 6.2ft, 50% Irish reaction,
Force my son to have to walk in to a cloud, you are asking for trouble.
Also, I have to ask myself, why should any non vape head/smoker educate themselves on this subject...
Respect everyone's space, 'init!
Vapers need to be setting an example and on their good behavior with all the attack ads on TV, big tobacco fighting and the government trying to regulate it.
If this thread is an indication of how people act in public places when vaping then sadly, we will lose on all fronts.
This thread was stated about someone blowing clouds in a store. In reality, it does not matter if it's clouds from a sub ohmer or normal vapor amount from a Tootle Puffer. People see it, it looks like smoke and that all they care about.
Responsibility 1st, then educate if and when you can. Most people who don't smoke have no interest whatsoever in learning about vaping. Even if they did, there is a time and a place for that. It's not when they are trying to get their grocery shopping done or having a meal with their family.
People vaping where and when they want with no regard for others and no regard for the damage they are doing in the eye of public opinion is not a good thing for responsible vapers..
If this thread is an indication of how people act in public places when vaping then sadly, we will lose on all fronts.
This thread was stated about someone blowing clouds in a store. In reality, it does not matter if it's clouds from a sub ohmer or normal vapor amount from a Tootle Puffer. People see it, it looks like smoke and that all they care about.
Responsibility 1st, then educate if and when you can. Most people who don't smoke have no interest whatsoever in learning about vaping. Even if they did, there is a time and a place for that. It's not when they are trying to get their grocery shopping done or having a meal with their family.
People vaping where and when they want with no regard for others and no regard for the damage they are doing in the eye of public opinion is not a good thing for responsible vapers..
It's that vapers space as much as it is you and your sons.......Cognitive dissonance perhaps springs to mind on this thread, but still a good read (I did have to skip text walls/blocks though)
if any of you lovely Americans care, and yes, I luv USA, spent a lot of time there,
I work a lot in NL, BE, CH and UK, I have not yet, seen any anti vape signs or seen anyone blowing clouds - but the ban is still coming, make of that what you will.
But myths or not, clouds or not...
My son will get fresh, clean air, that is all, and yes, we live in the country side, so the air here is just that.
Blow a cloud or a puff in my sons face and I will react, most likely the 6.2ft, 50% Irish reaction,
Force my son to have to walk in to a cloud, you are asking for trouble.
Also, I have to ask myself, why should any non vape head/smoker educate themselves on this subject...
Respect everyone's space, 'init!
You would really have a negative, confrontational reaction over your son breathing harmless vapor particulate matter? Please tell me you never smoked a cigarette around him.
I'm just looking for something that both "sides" can agree on.
And that, in my opinion is , united we stand, divided we fall. Pick your battles, we've a war ahead that will affect all of us alike.
I just don't believe we should demonize the cloud chasers as if they were solely to blame.
To some, the War is Already here.
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no you told me what you thought along with a list of what you think
other people are thinking.
please do not say what would (insert whom ever here) was,is or
might think about what i am or am not doing.
quit creating ghost allies.
regards
mike
Everyone needs to take a chill pill.
Step away from the keyboard for a moment, have a nice soothing vape. Calm down and remember to Attack the POST NOT the POSTER!
It is getting dangerously personal in here.
Step away from the keyboard for a moment, have a nice soothing vape. Calm down and remember to Attack the POST NOT the POSTER!
It is getting dangerously personal in here.
I do not vape around my son, nor did I ever smoke around him,
Harm reduction seems to be the general consensus, harmless, I very much doubt it, harmless would be clean non polluted air, confrontational would be the Muppet blowing clouds, vapor or smoke in my sons face.
I haven't seen a single 'no vaping' sign around here. Nobody seems to pay it much attention at all.
Could it possibly be... (gasp)... southern courtesy???
Andria
Could it possibly be... (gasp)... southern courtesy???
Andria
Where will you find this clean non polluted air? Certainly not any big cities or highways, really, any place outdoors on this planet. Maybe an indoor clean room with filtration.
What harm are you insinuating comes from vaping? Got any sources?
At any rate, has that ever happened to a child? Someone walks up to them and blows vapor clouds in their face just because! If so, was there any long or short term danger? Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me, but truth is often stranger than fiction.
Why would you believe educating non vape heads/smokers is a bad thing? You'd rather they stay in the dark?
Knowledge is power.
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I was there just a few weeks ago.
I wouldn't concede to no VAPING signs being EVERYWHERE.
Though there's a definite trend towards no TOBACCO product and other combination vaping/smoking signs.
Though now that it seems that is where this bar is, I most definitely would have handled it differently. I mean... compared to most other comparable size cities, even the homeless in LA are well mannered, kind and courteous at 3AM.
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