It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[WillyZee]

again bogus story.the bar business is
not run that way.you get rid of the trouble makers not good cutomers.
its not kindergarden.
mike

you don't get it ... they were not trouble makers ... the cloud chasers were buying beer too, the owner was truly torn on what to do ... he couldn't tell half the table they could vape, and the other 1/2 to take it outside.

He even said most complaints were about the massive clouds and not about vaping in general.

He chose to ban all vaping and keep his largest client base.

 

[caramel]

Because there is One Thing that a Legal Ban has over the Wishes of an Owner. And that is the Ability to site someone for Violating a Code.

If you put up a Sign and it says "Please Don't Park in this Red Zone" or if there is a Vehicle Code against paring in a Red Zone, which do you think would prevent parking in a Red Zone better?

The one that is known to be promptly enforced.

 

[Alien Traveler]

It shouldn't help or hurt the cause. It should be a non issue.

It should be.
It would not be.

 

[beckdg]

The Same thing could have happened with an iTaste 30. But it Didn't. And I didn't want to Deviate too much from what the OP said Happened.

IMO, more Non Vapers have been Ticked Off by People using an Ego and Clearos than by Cloud Chasers. Because there More people out in Public using eGo's and Clearos than there are Cloud Chasers.

exactly my point. thinking otherwise and vilifying an almost unseen minority is delusional for the purpose of self gratification and justification IMO.

BTW - I've got Nothing Against Cloud Chasing.

It Isn't for Me. But That's Me. What a person does to Stay of Cigarettes or what they do that Makes them Happy is Their Business.

I just don see Using any e-Cigarette (either a RN4081, an eGo, a APV or a Mech Mod) inside a Store as Helping out Cause more than it Hurts it.

i know, zoiD. that and the fact i'm not getting responses from he whom judges unfairly and is firm in his delusion are why i prefer to respond to more logical, intelligent members such as the lovely Andria and yourself.

 

[WonderDude32]

If or when you smoked, did you blow smoke in someone's face? Would you intentionally blow smoke in someone's path or in a crowded room? Hell no you wouldn't. So anyone that acts in this manner should be subjected to whatever punishment the offended deems fair. A punch in the mouth seems fair at the moment.

 

[Bad Ninja]

you don't get it ... they were not trouble makers ... the cloud chasers were buying beer too, the owner was truly torn on what to do ... he couldn't tell half the table they could vape, and the other 1/2 to take it outside.

He even said most complaints were about the massive clouds and not about vaping in general.

He chose to ban all vaping and keep his largest client base.

Wouldn't the smart thing to do would be to ask the people doing the offending to stop or leave?
That's what every business owner I know ( including myself) would do.
Only a bad businessman would "punish" the masses for the actions of a few, this eventually hurting his bottom line,
Now that polite vapers won't bother stopping in.

Cutting off one's nose to spite their own face is a pretty terrible business model.

 

[AndriaD]

No, I see exactly what's being said... half the table were blowing ginormous clouds, the other half wasn't. So yeah it would have been very difficult to tell half the table to knock it off -- maybe not knowing exactly who the troublemakers were.

But vapers really do constitute a very small group; economically, it does make more sense to ban vaping, than alienate the much larger group, the non-vapers who were offended by the ginormous clouds.

It's a very muddy pool; some vapers don't cause any problems, in fact probably most vapers, but there's that infamous 10%; if the cool vapers are in the same group as the troublemakers, how/where do you draw the line? Unfortunately if you're in business to make money, you have to satisfy the largest group of money-spenders, and that would be the non-vapers. And here's more mud: the non-vapers don't know from cloud-chasers, they just see some godawful cloud emerging from someone with some high-tech looking thing in his mouth... and begin to think that those godawful clouds just GO WITH those high-tech devices... so we're tarred with the same brush as the troublemaking vapers. No, it's not fair to us; neither the cloud chasers nor the poor business owner is being fair to us, the non-trouble-makers... but we're a small group; our pennies don't matter much against the dollars to be made from the non-vapers, and if excluding those pennies also excludes the troublemakers... well the business owner doesn't have a lot of choice.

Andria

 

[WonderDude32]

Wouldn't the smart thing to do would be to ask the people doing the offending to stop or leave?
That's what every business owner I know ( including myself) would do.
Only a bad businessman would "punish" the masses for the actions of a few, this eventually hurting his bottom line,
Now that polite vapers won't bother stopping in.

Cutting off one's nose to spite their own face is a pretty terrible business model.

Well said. As a shop owner, would you or an employee ever blow in someone's face? This has happened to me just recently in a big B&M (luckily not my local spot) and I was ....... I don't want anyone to blow anything in face ever. Common courtesy and respect will go along way with keeping shops open and the general non-vaping public happy.

 

[skoony]

you don't get it ... they were not trouble makers ... the cloud chasers were buying beer too, the owner was truly torn on what to do ... he couldn't tell half the table they could vape, and the other 1/2 to take it outside.

He even said most complaints were about the massive clouds and not about vaping in general.

He chose to ban all vaping and keep his largest client base.

bull.did not happen bogus made up story.you remove their drinks from the table and show them the door.
there is no whishy washy behind kissing
in the bar business.

 

[zoiDman]

bull.did not happen bogus made up story.you remove their drinks from the table and show them the door.
there is no whishy washy behind kissing
in the bar business.

OK.

So should the Same Approach have been used in the OP's Store?

Or in Wal-Mart?

 

[Bad Ninja]

OK.

So should the Same Approach have been used in the OP's Store?

Or in Wal-Mart?

Yep.
That's how adults handle these types of encounters.
How do most businesses handle unruly customers?


A business has a single purpose.
Make profit. Period.
No small business would intentionally alienate a chunk of their customer base because they were upset at a few unruly customers.

That's business suicide.

 

[Toastyroadie]

OK.

So should the Same Approach have been used in the OP's Store?

Or in Wal-Mart?

If I remember correctly, the only person complaining about a vaper in the OP's story, was the OP.

None of the other shoppers complained, apparently, only the OP to her mother. The OP was even offended that this person had their PV, carrying it out in the open. Really? Just because a vaper open carries their PV we are to be offended? The nerve!

 

[zoiDman]

Yep.
That's how adults handle these types of encounters.
How do most businesses handle unruly customers?


A business has a single purpose.
Make profit. Period.
No small business would intentionally alienate a chunk of their customer base because they were upset at a few unruly customers.

That's business suicide.

Don't know about You.

But if I don't want people using an e-Cigarette in my Store, or my Chain of Stores, instead of having my Employees Physically Remove those who vape, I would just post a Sign saying "No Vaping Allowed".

And if that didn't work, I would Push for Indoor Bans.

BTW - Removing people from a Bar is One Thing. But how does Physically Removing Customers work for Sally's Flower Shop? When the Only Employee is Sally.

 

[zoiDman]

If I remember correctly, the only person complaining about a vaper in the OP's story, was the OP.

None of the other shoppers complained, apparently, only the OP to her mother. The OP was even offended that this person had their PV, carrying it out in the open. Really? Just because a vaper open carries their PV we are to be offended? The nerve!

How do we know that?

 

[Bad Ninja]

Don't know about You.

But if I don't want people using an e-Cigarette in my Store, or my Chain of Stores, instead of having my Employees Physically Remove those who vape, I would just post a Sign saying "No Vaping Allowed".

And if that didn't work, I would Push for Indoor Bans.

BTW - Removing people from a Bar is One Thing. But how does Physically Removing Customers work for Sally's Flower Shop? When the Only Employee is Sally.

I thought we were discussing the bar scenario, did the drunk cloud chasers go to the flower shop next?


Anywhoo...
Physically?
Okay we don't assault other citizens.
That's illegal, and gets ya a civil court date.

We ask them to stop or to leave.
99% will stop if asked politely.
They will appreciate your candor, and continue to do business at your bar..err flower shop?

The rare, rare few who get require physical contact, get to deal with local law enforcement, who will effect their leaving, guaranteed.

 

[Toastyroadie]

How do we know that?

Read the OP, and my post. I said apparently.

 

[beckdg]

OK.

So should the Same Approach have been used in the OP's Store?

Or in Wal-Mart?

wally world and sam's club already have a no-vaping policy in all their stores. apparently some of their ego and cigalike toting employees wrecked that quite some time ago.

 

[raqball]

Don't know about You.

But if I don't want people using an e-Cigarette in my Store, or my Chain of Stores, instead of having my Employees Physically Remove those who vape, I would just post a Sign saying "No Vaping Allowed".

And if that didn't work, I would Push for Indoor Bans.

BTW - Removing people from a Bar is One Thing. But how does Physically Removing Customers work for Sally's Flower Shop? When the Only Employee is Sally.

I think a lot of comments are from non owners who don't really understand how to run a bizz.

In the bar scene it's all about reputation. Get a bad one and your bar is on the fast track to failure. When a bar gets a bad rap, it's all but over!

If a bar gets a rap from non smokers and non vapers that you can't walk into the place without being bombarded with smoke (which is what they think it is) then game over!

Forcibly remove vapers who don't leave when asked? Sure that's going to get the other 40 or 50 people there to want to return. Do it again the next night? Sure another 40 or so who won't be back. Rinse, lather repeat.

Have your employees taken away from customers to constantly ask people to not vape? Sure why not. Bad or slow service will bring the masses back as well right?

Call the police? Yeah, that's exactly what people out trying to have a god time want. To see the police wresting with a mod wielding angry person.

Some of these comment are downright silly!

As far a bars going belly up and the owners making bad decision, my friends pub is doing just fine since he stopped allowing vape inside. He just bought a new car so he must be doing a-ok and every time I go by there it's busy...

I went to ride my bike and came back to a TON of personal attacks in this thread. It's sad that we need to call into question and put down everyone who does not think you should vape anywhere you want.

Calling bizz owners stupid because they made a calculated decision? Calling people liars because they post an incident or share a story? Wow. And now we are full circle back to attacking the OP...........

Downright embarrassing..

 

[beckdg]

If I remember correctly, the only person complaining about a vaper in the OP's story, was the OP.

None of the other shoppers complained, apparently, only the OP to her mother. The OP was even offended that this person had their PV, carrying it out in the open. Really? Just because a vaper open carries their PV we are to be offended? The nerve!

open carry
PV
in the same sentence



who'da thunkit...

 

[Toastyroadie]

I think a lot of comments are from non owners who don't really understand how to run a bizz.

In the bar scene it's all about reputation. Get a bad one and your bar is on the fast track to failure. When a bar gets a bad rap, it's all but over!

If a bar gets a rap from non smokers and non vapers that you can't walk into the place without being bombarded with smoke (which is what they think it is) then game over!

Forcibly remove vapers who don't leave when asked? Sure that's going to get the other 40 or 50 people there to want to return. Do it again the next night? Sure another 40 or so who won't be back. Rinse, lather repeat.

Have your employees taken away from customers to constantly ask people to not vape? Sure why not. Bad or slow service will bring the masses back as well right?

Call the police? Yeah, that's exactly what people out trying to have a god time want. To the the police wresting with a mod wielding angry person.

Some of these comment are downright silly!

As far a bars going belly up and the owners making bad decision, my friends pub is doing just fine since he stopped allowing vape inside. He just bought a new car so he must be doing a-ok and every time I go by there it's busy...

I went to ride my bike and came back to a TON of personal attacks in this thread. It's sad that we need to call into question and put down everyone who does not think you should vape anywhere you want.

Calling bizz owners stupid because they made a calculated decision? Calling people liars because they post an incident or share a story? Wow. And now we are full circle back to attacking the OP...........

Downright embarrassing..

Attacking the OP? Really? Who attacked the OP? You're a pot stirrer.