JonboyUSMC's Lava Tanks
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Defiantly will be worth the Waite.These tanks are super.So I know the PMUFS will be too.
Heck put me in line for one too! Between this and the Scubagenv3 I ought to be set LOL
ajlos
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I got you all marked down. It'll be a little while, I got mad at the people that built the electronics for my machines, so I'm going to gut them and put new electronics in. I'll be able to use all of my existing software then, not tied down to just theirs. I really wanted to hit he ground running with these, but that didn't get to happen. I think Murphy's Law comes into play here LOL!!!
I see another CE2 tank has hit the market made from aluminum. I would really discourage people from using this as there is a real danger from vaping out of RAW aluminum. I know this has been debated here on ECF over and over, so I am attaching a copy of the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for 6061 aluminum. http://www.mwswire.com/safetydata/aluminum.pdf All materials in manufacturing require this data sheet. Here's some direct quotes from the sheet.
Long Term Exposure: Watering of the eyes, headaches, difficulty in breathing, coughing, severe chest pains and in acute cases, lung disease, lung fibrosis, pneumoconiosis or neurological damage.
In case of ingestion, seek immediate medical attention.
I am really upset that someone is selling something that is not at all safe. I have been a machinist/toolmaker for 25 years. I have worked in both large scale bakeries and dairies. Deans food and Blue Bunny were clients I dealt with. In their facilities, the only thing that was allowed to be in contact with food was stainless steel,teflon and delrin. Aluminum was taboo. My first job when I got out of the service was with an aluminum die cast plant. I worked there for 10 years and suffer from lung damage caused by long term exposure to aluminum. When someone comes on here telling everyone it's 100% safe to vape from a tank made from aluminum, is clearly uneducated. Sorry for the rant folks, but this issue really strikes home for me. This has nothing to do with competition. This has everything to do with the blatant disregard for other peoples safety. In case anyone is wondering here is the MSDS for Delrin, the material that I use. DuPont Polymers Once again, sorry for the rant, and I'll get down off of my soapbox now.
Jon
Long Term Exposure: Watering of the eyes, headaches, difficulty in breathing, coughing, severe chest pains and in acute cases, lung disease, lung fibrosis, pneumoconiosis or neurological damage.
In case of ingestion, seek immediate medical attention.
I am really upset that someone is selling something that is not at all safe. I have been a machinist/toolmaker for 25 years. I have worked in both large scale bakeries and dairies. Deans food and Blue Bunny were clients I dealt with. In their facilities, the only thing that was allowed to be in contact with food was stainless steel,teflon and delrin. Aluminum was taboo. My first job when I got out of the service was with an aluminum die cast plant. I worked there for 10 years and suffer from lung damage caused by long term exposure to aluminum. When someone comes on here telling everyone it's 100% safe to vape from a tank made from aluminum, is clearly uneducated. Sorry for the rant folks, but this issue really strikes home for me. This has nothing to do with competition. This has everything to do with the blatant disregard for other peoples safety. In case anyone is wondering here is the MSDS for Delrin, the material that I use. DuPont Polymers Once again, sorry for the rant, and I'll get down off of my soapbox now.
Jon
Bring out the facts.We are saving ourselves from Tobacco we do not need to further harm ourselves with something that is known to hurt us.We already did that by smoking,That is why we vape now.AWESOME keep the facts coming.And THANKS for looking out for all of us.
Jon, thanks for posting the info on the aluminum before I made a $48 mistake. You don't ever have to say your sorry for doing or saying what is best for public health!! Thanks again
Hey Jon, I ask this question with much respect and a a minor knowledge of metal. Are 'raidy's aluminum he suggested 6061? He seems ok w/ the two types mentioned here. My mouthpiece for the Hybrid is the same type. I do prefer ss for it's stability though.
According to Google AlMgSi0.5 is 6060 and AlMgSi1 is 6082. No idea what that means, but I'm curious to know how extensive raidy's knowledge of aluminum toxicity is.
AlMgSi0.5 and AlMgSi1 are both Aluminum Alloys, not raw aluminum. they are considered non-reactive and are safe to use in salt water environments. Our juices are much less corrosive/reactive than seawater so both of those alloys should be quite safe for use in vaping equipment even where there is constant contact with the e-liquid.
All manufactured aluminum is an aluminum alloy. There is no pure aluminum available on the market. All aluminum is derived from the base compound, bauxite, then other compounds are added to make up the varying grades of aluminum. Copper, Chromium, Magnesium, Manganese, and Silicon just to name a few. I'm not familiar with the 6082 alloy, since it is a European grade of aluminum that has just started to catch on here in the U.S. I would suspect that the anti-corrosive properties come from a higher concentrations of silicon and chromium. I wouldn't say our juices are less corrosive or reactive than seawater. Juices high in cinnamon oil and/or clove oil are extremely reactive. Cinnamon oil can destroy a lexan tube in a matter of days. Souring agents that are in green apple contain a compound called malic (sic?) acid. I personally don't want to take the chances of aluminum leaching into my vape. I also won't manufacture anything that is even remotely questionable as far as health issues are concerned. I'll stick to delrin and 316 stainless steel as my materials of choice for vaping. I quit smoking and started vaping so I could stand a chance of living longer. I already have scarring of my lung tissue from prolonged exposure to aluminum, so vaping out of any aluminum that comes in contact with my juice just isn't even in the picture. If anyone wants to take the chance on their health,then that's their personal choice.
Nice Jon, it's really nice to see that someone feels exactly like I do about using aluminum and will use only SS and Delrin to manufacture tanks. I've had this dam argument with people about this for so long that I wont even discuss it any further with people. It's really great to see that you are on the same side of the field as I am with this subject. I still see people manufacturing tanks from aluminum and other cheap or poor grade materials and they wont step up to use SS and people are still buying it up. I tip my hat to you pal for posting what you just did and look extra forward to seeing what we have been discussing for many months now come to fruition !
Hi jonboyusmc!
Have you performed this test yourself with the Lexan/Polycarbonate tubing and cinnamon and/or clove e-Liquid?
I believe this happens with the acrylic tubing and have been wanting to test this myself using Polycarbonate tubing to see if it really does happen.
However, I still question the fact (and I'm sure others have too) about the breakdown of Lexan/Polycarbonate tubing when using cinnamon and/or clove e-Liquid, as I have not performed this test myself.
Thank you!
PKZ
One of my customers vapes some of the juice high in cinnamon oil, and couldn't get a MAP tank to last more than a week. It may also be due to being saw cut and already having minute stress fractures. I know that MWA102464 tried this with green apple, and I believe he told me the tank only lasted like 4 or 5 days. He wasn't vaping it, just leaving it sit. He showed me the tank it was completely spider webbed on the inside. I don't personally vape any cinnamon or sour juices, so all I can do is pass along the experiences of some of my friends and customers.
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