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mwa102464

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Hi jonboyusmc!

Have you performed this test yourself with the Lexan/Polycarbonate tubing and cinnamon and/or clove e-liquid?

I believe this happens with the acrylic tubing and have been wanting to test this myself using Polycarbonate tubing to see if it really does happen.

However, I still question the fact (and I'm sure others have too) about the breakdown of Lexan/Polycarbonate tubing when using cinnamon and/or clove e-liquid, as I have not performed this test myself.

Thank you!

PKZ

I have personally tested it with tasty vapors Granny smith apple and it has cracked Lexan map tanks and so has atomic cinicade both have cracked the lexan maptanks from my findings PKZ. I will note this is filling them and just letting them sit with a CE2 inside and a drip tip on top and putting the tank a side and not using it to vape with but just to let it sit and test this.
 
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One of my customers vapes some of the juice high in cinnamon oil, and couldn't get a MAP tank to last more than a week. It may also be due to being saw cut and already having minute stress fractures. I know that MWA102464 tried this with green apple, and I believe he told me the tank only lasted like 4 or 5 days. He wasn't vaping it, just leaving it sit. He showed me the tank it was completely spider webbed on the inside. I don't personally vape any cinnamon or sour juices, so all I can do is pass along the experiences of some of my friends and customers.

Thank you for the reply. I don't vape those type juices either. However, I do have some cinnamon juice and I'll have to test it myself.

Thanks again!

PKZ
 
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I have personally tested it with tasty vapors Granny smith apple and it has cracked Lexan map tanks and so has atomic cinicade both have cracked the lexan maptanks from my findings PKZ. I will note this is filling them and just letting them sit with a CE2 inside and a drip tip on top and putting the tank a side and not using it to vape with but just to let it sit and test this.

Hi MWA!

Great information!

Thank you for the feedback.

I won't have to perform the test now, thanks.

PKZ
 

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One of my customers vapes some of the juice high in cinnamon oil, and couldn't get a MAP tank to last more than a week. It may also be due to being saw cut and already having minute stress fractures. I know that MWA102464 tried this with green apple, and I believe he told me the tank only lasted like 4 or 5 days. He wasn't vaping it, just leaving it sit. He showed me the tank it was completely spider webbed on the inside. I don't personally vape any cinnamon or sour juices, so all I can do is pass along the experiences of some of my friends and customers.

I am the customers that vapes firecracker 24/7 that is high in cinnamon oil.. I can only get a MAP tube to last about 4 or 5 days before it cracks.. There is something in the cinnamon juice that breaks down the polycarbonate that the MAP is made out of... Day 1 the tube is fine, day 2 the tube starts to become cloudy, buy day 3 I have hairline cracks, by day 5 it's done... I have had Jon's tanks for over 2 weeks now filled with my firecracker and that tube has not shown any signs of cloudiness or cracking.. It vapes like a champ every time I pick it up!!
 

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I am the customers that vapes firecracker 24/7 that is high in cinnamon oil.. I can only get a MAP tube to last about 4 or 5 days before it cracks.. There is something in the cinnamon juice that breaks down the polycarbonate that the MAP is made out of... Day 1 the tube is fine, day 2 the tube starts to become cloudy, buy day 3 I have hairline cracks, by day 5 it's done... I have had Jon's tanks for over 2 weeks now filled with my firecracker and that tube has not shown any signs of cloudiness or cracking.. It vapes like a champ every time I pick it up!!

This post is confusing because...

Lexan is Polycarbonate. See Lexan Wiki.

Lexan is the brand name for polycarbonate

The MAP Tank has a Polycarbonate tank.

The jonboyusmc Tank has a Lexan tank.

:2c:

Edit to add:

Are you sure you purchased an original MAP Tank that comes with the Polycarbonate tank?
 
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PKZ,
I use a thicker walled tank. Yes Lexan is just a trade name for polycarbonate. I think the big difference in the tanks is first the wall thickness, and the fact that I never saw my tubing. I only part it off in the lathe. Then I add a healthy radius to both the ID and OD, top and bottom. I also use a re-sizing method that I believe also helps stress relieve the material. I've been making these since Feb., and have only heard of one tank failure, caused by dropping it. I offered to fix it for free, but haven't heard back from him.
 

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PKZ,
I use a thicker walled tank. Yes Lexan is just a trade name for polycarbonate. I think the big difference in the tanks is first the wall thickness, and the fact that I never saw my tubing. I only part it off in the lathe. Then I add a healthy radius to both the ID and OD, top and bottom. I also use a re-sizing method that I believe also helps stress relieve the material. I've been making these since Feb., and have only heard of one tank failure, caused by dropping it. I offered to fix it for free, but haven't heard back from him.

Thank you for the explanation!
 

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All manufactured aluminum is an aluminum alloy. There is no pure aluminum available on the market. All aluminum is derived from the base compound, bauxite, then other compounds are added to make up the varying grades of aluminum. Copper, Chromium, Magnesium, Manganese, and Silicon just to name a few. I'm not familiar with the 6082 alloy, since it is a European grade of aluminum that has just started to catch on here in the U.S. I would suspect that the anti-corrosive properties come from a higher concentrations of silicon and chromium. I wouldn't say our juices are less corrosive or reactive than seawater. Juices high in cinnamon oil and/or clove oil are extremely reactive. Cinnamon oil can destroy a lexan tube in a matter of days. Souring agents that are in green apple contain a compound called malic (sic?) acid. I personally don't want to take the chances of aluminum leaching into my vape. I also won't manufacture anything that is even remotely questionable as far as health issues are concerned. I'll stick to delrin and 316 stainless steel as my materials of choice for vaping. I quit smoking and started vaping so I could stand a chance of living longer. I already have scarring of my lung tissue from prolonged exposure to aluminum, so vaping out of any aluminum that comes in contact with my juice just isn't even in the picture. If anyone wants to take the chance on their health,then that's their personal choice.

That was very informative and eye opening. I knew about cinnamon oil and malic acid reacting with plastics but never had the opportunity to test it with aluminum. I have a few more things now that I want to test against the cinnamon oil...had no idea that stuff was so harsh. Thank you for the insight... That settles it then, I am making a new top cap out of SS for my mini and getting stainless drip tips. Better safe than sorry :)
 

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You can't go wrong with stainless. It's an industry standard in food and medical. The 6061 aluminum that's being used is the cheapest aluminum alloy out there. It's also not very corrosion resistent, and a nice humid day or 2 can get the aluminum oxide growing on it pretty quickly. I do work for the largest robotics company in the world, and they anodize all of the 6061 that's used in there assemblies. They use 6061 because it's cheap, lightweight yet still very strong. I'd like to make end caps from stainless, but it's such a royal PITA to work with. I just repaired a bulk mixer for a local bakery, and I had to make 2 new 316 stainless shafts. I was ready to start drinking LOL!!! I hate how stainless keeps moving when you machine it.

On a better note, my new electronics showed up for my machines!!! I've got to make a schematic of what's in there now, and see where the new stuff is going. What a difference 11 years makes in electronics. The original drive board is like 10" X 10". The new ones are 2" X 2" and are completely optically isolated from the PC that drives them. No electricity can surge back into the PC, because there is an optical bridge in between. I wish I had more time to learn more about electronics, but 6 years of school was enough. Hoping to have some life in these things by the end of the week.
 
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I don't know the percentage of aluminum in Kanthal, but I would have to guess that it's a very minute amount. We used to hold molten aluminum at 1150* in the furnaces. Kanthal can get a lot hotter than that if I recall right. If there were a large amount of aluminum, I would think that it would cook out in a hurry. I use kanthal in my converted ce2's and haven't noticed any ill effects. My doctor loves that I vape now, and the fact that some of my lung capacity is returning after ditching the analogs.

The machine retrofit is going as planned, everything has been screwed up LOL!!! I'm hoping to have the lathe under power and at least moving on its own before the end of the weekend. I've got a bunch of stuff dreamt up, just need to get the lathe running.
 

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Jon, I was gonna PM you about this but thought that it might be good for all to know. Do you consider Kanthal safe for atty building considering it contains aluminum?

Kanthal is less than 6% aluminum. It is mostly made up of iron and is designed to handle temps over 1800 degrees F. In other words...it's good to go.
 

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After doing a little reading, I would say that even with the aluminum content in the Kanthal, it is still a far better alternative to Nichrome. Nichrome is made up primarily of nickel and chromium, both of which are known carcinogens.

The machines are coming along nicely. I've got the lathe under power, and moving on its own. Just waiting on a spindle encoder to get here, so I will be able to cut threads. I've got a bunch of ideas in my head and I'm really getting excited to get things rolling.
 
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