Joyetech Cuboid 150 watt

[TrollDragon]

Further, manafacturing methods & impurities in the metal can affect TCR outside of these industry standard measurement points.

This could be my issue as well, I was given a piece of SS316 which is probably out of spec Chinese stuff but that does not explain the Ni or Ti not working.

I need to find some SS430 and play with the TCR values or find some decent SS316. For those that have a proper working SS TC build, what wire are you using?

 

[Tpat591]

All the values from 85 to 95.

keep going beyond range especially on dual coil build try 110

 

[TrollDragon]

keep going beyond range?

I can do that and see.

 

[Light Seeker]

This could be my issue as well, I was given a piece of SS316 which is probably out of spec Chinese stuff but that does not explain the Ni or Ti not working.

I need to find some SS430 and play with the TCR values or find some decent SS316. For those that have a proper working SS TC build, what wire are you using?

I'm using 316L 26 gauge from geekvape. With a 88 TCR , 38 watts, 460-480F.

tapatyped

 

[Light Seeker]

I don't do any coil heads of any kind, all of my tanks have been rebuildable since I picked up my first kayfun, so I can't offer and help with the cCells.

TrollDragon, just caught this..... You're not trying to do TC on a kayfun are you?

I have 3 kayfun 4 clones. They all suck at TC. Due to the spring inside the atty.

tapatyped

 

[t8kiteasy]

This could be my issue as well, I was given a piece of SS316 which is probably out of spec Chinese stuff but that does not explain the Ni or Ti not working.

I need to find some SS430 and play with the TCR values or find some decent SS316. For those that have a proper working SS TC build, what wire are you using?

26 gauge 316L SS purchased from MVS.

 

[TrollDragon]

TrollDragon, just caught this..... You're not trying to do TC on a Kayfun are you?

I have 3 kayfun 4 clones. They all suck at TC. Due to the spring inside the atty.

tapatyped

Nope, I have both my KFV4s modified to do TC with TubbyEngineer's spring mod.
Kayfun 4 - Resistance stabilisation.

I am using the SQRs at the moment but just built a 26g 10 wrap coil for 0.65 on 2.5mm, I'll mount this later in the Vapor Giant Kronos and see how it works out. Could be the adjustable pin on the SQRs is contributing to the problem.

Much Fun!

Thanks guys for the wire input, I'll see about ordering some SS316L later today, I think Lightning Vapes ships to Canada reasonably.

 

[52anddone]

That is what we thought with the VTC Mini's, bad QC, but I tried 3 different units with different batch numbers. I 'll hit the B&M on Monday and compare with the owners Cuboid to see if his is the same, also I'll pop the atty on my buddies VTC Mini.

I had also pondered back then about a higher resistance issue and wrapped a 30g 0.19 Ni200 coil last night, it wasn't 0.2 as I didn't have enough room. There are not many places you will fit a Ni200 coil that is higher than 0.1 with any decent gauge, 32g or 34g yes but impossible to work with. I put the atty on the Cuboid and everything measured out, locked in and vaped to immediate TP with a very weak vape using 30W/460F/0.19 ohms. I put the same attyy on the iPV D2 with 30J/460F/0.187 ohms locked in and the vape was perfect. Vaped the atty till the No Liquid screen came up on the D2. Pulled the top and the Rayon was bone white, fully juiced the wick up again and put it back on the Cuboid. First pull snaps and crackles like a good space coil should, then TP and weak vape.

You would think there would be a massive quantity of people out there who would report a non functional TC problem with the Joyetech mods. This is not the case as 98% of the owners run them in Power Mode, they tried this TC thing with a prebuilt coil that came with their tank, weren't very impressed or the store didn't have TC coils in stock at the time and they went back to Kanthal because it was just easier.

A TC vape is not the same as a Kanthal vape, and its not for everyone.

OK then, sounds like you remember more than I do about the VTC mini thread (have been over there looking and found some of what you just eluded to), but what you say does ring a bell. I also have read where people like the VTC mini better than the D2 for TC, so IDK what's going on here. Truth be told, I bought my (1) VTC mini and (1) Cuboid to use with Kanthal to begin with and still haven't even tried TC on either, but thought that sometime in the future I would. I just read too many "I Love It" or "I Hate it" posts to be on board with TC at this point in time.

I have my Taifun set up on Kanthal and am Loving it on my Cuboid (ex Cig/Cigar/Pipe smoker here). What is the difference between a Kanthal vape at 13 Watts and a TC vape at whatever one would have to set it to ??

 

[t8kiteasy]

TC is only about being able to vape without having to worry about your cotton burning and getting that harsh hit.It is something new to vapers but the fact that I can use TC and get my normal vape (better tasting with SS) and use up all the juice in a tank without burning my cotton,who would hate that???

 

[TrollDragon]

OK then, sounds like you remember more than I do about the VTC mini thread (have been over there looking and found some of what you just eluded to), but what you say does ring a bell. I also have read where people like the VTC mini better than the D2 for TC, so IDK what's going on here. Truth be told, I bought my (1) VTC mini and (1) Cuboid to use with Kanthal to begin with and still haven't even tried TC on either, but thought that sometime in the future I would. I just read too many "I Love It" or "I Hate it" posts to be on board with TC at this point in time.

I have my Taifun set up on Kanthal and am Loving it on my Cuboid (ex Cig/Cigar/Pipe smoker here). What is the difference between a Kanthal vape at 13 Watts and a TC vape at whatever one would have to set it to ??

Yes I spent too much time and energy in that thread with the VTC Mini back then... The D2 is not by any means a perfect TC device either, it does have some quirks of its own. But switching an RTA between it and the VTC Mini or Cuboid was a quick test to see if TC was even working.

There were those that claimed to have absolutely no problem with the VTC Mini in TC mode, and others like myself that constantly got the weak vape after the VTC went to sleep. This was all in the Firmware 1.10 days and I exchanged mine the day before the next upgrade came out.

Back to what I was saying earlier that 98% of the people use the VTC Mini and Cuboid in Power Mode and some never try TC at all. I paid way too much at a local B&M for the VTC Mini to have kept it as a single battery VW mod, just wasn't worth it. For those that bought them for $29 from eFun.top it was a great deal.

The VTC Mini and Cuboid work excellent as VW mods, always have and always will.

Your probably enjoying a nice cool vape at 13W. The vape from TC could be as cool or warm as you need by setting the temperature to what you like by experimentation. The power drop off from the Joyetech chips once it hits TP is what bothers me, it is very noticeable and vape quality suffers from it.

I use TC on my Rose V2 with the full SS tank, not having to worry when the tank is empty since the D2 will let me know. The other feature I like about TC is the consistency, every vape is the same from start to finish. I ran the Kayfun Mini 2.1 ES in full Stainless long before TC came out and you do get to know when a tank is getting dry. Using TC just makes it one less thing to worry about.

The good thing about using Stainless Steel for coils is you can run them in TC or in power mode, unlike Ni-200 or Ti which can only be used in TC.

 

[52anddone]

Thank You t8 and Troll very much for you're responses back. So far, I haven't had any problems with burning cotton due to an empty tank, or even harsh hits using Kanthal. Lucky ?? Maybe, but I keep an Eagle Eye on my juice level, I'm one of those people that Check, Double Check, and Triple Check everything that I do, I always have, and that's why it takes me 3 times longer to do a build than most folks.

Once upon a time, many years ago, I was a Calibration Technician for a Company known as "Orbital Space Sciences", a civilian company (not military), where I Calibrated all the Electronic Calibration machines that Calibrated the Guidance Systems in missiles. My first day I was told that THE most important thing to remember was to "Get It Right" the first time, as everyone else was going off of MY work. They didn't care how long it took me to Calibrate a $150,000.00 Calibration console (1991 dollars), but when I signed off on it, it had better be right. I think that that's when all this OCD stuff started with me with the Triple checking everything I did (my calibration equipment was calibrated with an Atomic Clock for utmost accuracy by the way). I Thank God that I was doing all that back before I started taking all this medicine that I now take, I'm not quite as good as I used to be, that's for sure, so things take me even longer to do properly.

I'll just keep reading and learning more and more about TC and waiting for the industry to get it right. By getting it right I mean when the day comes that 450 degrees on a Sigelei is the same 450 degrees on a Joyetech/Wisemec, or a P4U, or a Innokin, and one can take their RTA/RDA and put it on any of those mods set to the same 450 degrees and not notice any difference at all in their vape experience. Maybe by then when a mod goes to sleep for a few minutes/hours it will wake up and still operate correctly in TC mode. I think it's a little hit or miss at this point in time, the technology is still in it's infancy, in my opinion, but still fun to play around with and try to get it up and running to ones satisfaction.

 

[52anddone]

It sounds like when TC works, it's great, kind of like the first automatic transmissions.

 

[KenD]

TC is only about being able to vape without having to worry about your cotton burning and getting that harsh hit.It is something new to vapers but the fact that I can use TC and get my normal vape (better tasting with SS) and use up all the juice in a tank without burning my cotton,who would hate that???

It's not only about not burning your cotton. One of the major benefits is the consistency of the vape.

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[Light Seeker]

It's not only about not burning your cotton. One of the major benefits is the consistency of the vape.

^^^ This.
I do TC for vape consistency. Burnt wick, at least for me, rarely happens.

tapatyped

 

[GeorgeS]

It sounds like when TC works, it's great, kind of like the first automatic transmissions.

Indeed it is.

My house drops to ~60F at night so first thing in the AM is the best time to lock in a coil resistance. When the Joytech chip works - I just leave that tank 'married' to the device as changing tanks can be a PITA, having the chip "recalibrate" the coils resistance can be a PITA. When it works it works fairly well.

Then again, I'm migrating to 26650 mods. Have one in hand and one on order.

 

[t8kiteasy]

It's not only about not burning your cotton. One of the major benefits is the consistency of the vape.

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I did also put in the post and still get the same vape.

 

[52anddone]

Indeed it is.

My house drops to ~60F at night so first thing in the AM is the best time to lock in a coil resistance. When the Joytech chip works - I just leave that tank 'married' to the device as changing tanks can be a PITA, having the chip "recalibrate" the coils resistance can be a PITA. When it works it works fairly well.

Then again, I'm migrating to 26650 mods. Have one in hand and one on order.

That's a helpful hint, Thanks, I'll try to remember that one. You're migrating to 26650 mods, how much runtime difference over single 18650 or Cuboid dual 18650 mods do you notice ?

 

[52anddone]

So then, is it the Cuboid that is having problems, or is it the RTA/RDA/Clearo's that people are putting on the Cuboid that is the problem that is being experienced by some, I mean the Cuboid being a tighter spec'd device with less tolerance for atomizers that are not giving a consistent enough electrical connection, or is it the Cuboid that is toleranced too broadly (or sloppily), or is that what everyone is trying to figure out ?

On another note, is TC a smoother vape (as in TH) than Kanthal like I have seen some post about the TC experience ? The reason I ask is because I did alot of Cigar smoking and really liked it (I inhaled), also Camel and Lucky Strike non-filtered, I just liked the roughness of the TH over any filtered. Would TC (if I could get my Cuboid to do TC without issues) be something I could like, or do ya'll think I should just stick to Kanthal ?

 

[GeorgeS]

That's a helpful hint, Thanks, I'll try to remember that one. You're migrating to 26650 mods, how much runtime difference over single 18650 or Cuboid dual 18650 mods do you notice ?

Much like a dual 18650 mod (like the Cuboid) I'm able to get a full day and then some out of a 26650 mod. I'm normally up at 5AM and with the way I vape if I were using a single 18650 mod I'd be swapping it by noon or 1PM. The Cuboid will last 5AM-10PM plus and hour or two the next day.

Since I vape at less than 40W (in TC mode) my dual battery and 26650 mods are more about battery life then raw power. While all my singles and the Cuboid can be "topped off" with a USB charger at my desk my first venture into 26650's (Dicodes Dani #6) current requires an external charger. The BOXER 26650 can be charger via USB.

The #6 has an mAH meter built in. I had not noticed and therefore kept an eye on it the first few discharges however I just started with a reset counter and a well rated Black 26650 so I'll be interested in finding how well it performs vs the Black "Boxer" and Purple Efest batteries I have.

If Joytech eventually releases a 26650 mod with the same/similar chipset as the Cuboid I'll likely add it to my corral of mods.

 

[TrollDragon]

So then, is it the Cuboid that is having problems, or is it the RTA/RDA/Clearo's that people are putting on the Cuboid that is the problem that is being experienced by some, I mean the Cuboid being a tighter spec'd device with less tolerance for atomizers that are not giving a consistent enough electrical connection, or is it the Cuboid that is toleranced too broadly (or sloppily), or is that what everyone is trying to figure out ?

On another note, is TC a smoother vape (as in TH) than Kanthal like I have seen some post about the TC experience ? The reason I ask is because I did alot of Cigar smoking and really liked it (I inhaled), also Camel and Lucky Strike non-filtered, I just liked the roughness of the TH over any filtered. Would TC (if I could get my Cuboid to do TC without issues) be something I could like, or do ya'll think I should just stick to Kanthal ?

It's Joyetech's implementation of TC that causes all the issues IHMO. There are many RTAs that are not designed for TC usage, the Kayfun V4, Taifun GT-S II etc KS RTA, or basically anything with a spring in the mix on the 510 pin, but like anything YMMV and there are fixes.

A tale of Two Rose V2's
I did finally manage to get a Ni 200 build working on the Cuboid somewhat properly last night, a 0.11ohm 28g Tempered Ni coil Rayon Wicked @ 480F/35W and it gives a very acceptable vape. The same build on the other Rose except it's 1.5ohm on 28g Kanthal is quite a bit better for flavor and TH at 15W. The Wattage on the TC build does not mean the same thing as on a Kanthal build, it basically dictates how fast the coil will get up to a working temperature.

I have SS430 & some GeekVape SS316L inbound to play with when it arrives but the SS function seemed to work the best on all my TC builds, also a TCR of 108 works quite well for SS.

As far as the device VS other devices and the comment made earlier by a member stating that he liked the Joyetech/Wimsec TC better than the DNA 200, I got quite the chuckle out of Grimm Greens comparison of the Cuboid and the DNA 200.

The comparison starts at 6:35 and runs only for a few minutes, queued at that point.