JOYTECH 510 cartomizer questions

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srcowell

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Just wanted to share... I tried dripping from the threaded side and several hours later the thread/atomizer separated from the plastic housing. So, no more experiments with these lol...

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I've been using the genuine Joye cartomizers since last fall. I've had my learning curve with them. I have had some come apart, but it has nothing at all to do with how they are filled. If you look inside the cartomizer, now that the metal tip has come off, you can easily see that there is a small air shaft running up the side, and the middle is filled with fiber fill. The metal tip is the atomizer and battery connection. The juice is held in the fiber fill, no matter which end you fill it from. The juice will leak down over the atomizer and out the battery end if it's over filled, no matter which end you fill it from. If you puncture the top fill port and fill it with a syringe, the juice will soak into the fiber fill until saturated, then drip over the atomizer and out the battery end if it's over-saturated. The plastic chamber in the middle of the plastic body holds the juice, and that plastic body is pressed onto the metal atomizer/connector in the factory. Once that chamber is full of juice, it's going to seep down over the atomizer and around the area where plastic meets metal... what possible difference could it make if the juice got there from one end or the other? None.
 
i dont know which ones I have, but they are probably boge from Eastmall. I ordered 50 of them @ a whack. they were I think $4 for 5. Anyways, no problems with them at all. always use the condom method. from thread side and mouth end. i find if you fill it slow with the condom method i can fit a whole cap full no problems, no leaking.. just give it a little blow to get out the little bit of excess. next time i fill it up - again almost a full cap full i do it from the other end so that the filler is completely soaked. I have NEVER used needles or drops. i find that a full cap will last a long time...if I get a burnt taste i fill the cap 1/2 way and i am good to go. these are the hard plastic tips.....does anyone know the "name" of these ones? I re-ordered them because I haven't had any issues.
the only thing i sometimes find is that the tube in the middle of carto may be to close to the thread or mouth end. I'll take a paperclip and push it around slightly so that the liquid gets in behind it.
 

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I also just got my first Joye510 cartos, and have some questions: for how long one new carto with 25 drops is supposed to last? For an hour? For a day? How many puffs approximately? 50? 100? 200? How do you know it needs refilling? when it starts tasting burnt? How many times can you refill it before disposing? Is carto a juice hog?

Also, I don't seem to get much vapor with them. I get much more vapor with attys and carts. But taste and TH is good. Are cartos supposed to be worse on vapor? Unfortunately, I cannot get any other cartos, as I've spent too much money on all this stuff already and have to stick with my Joye cartos.
 

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Lots of questions, tami... I'll try to provide some answers. How many drops it holds depends on the consistency of the liquid. Thin liquids make smaller drops, thick VG liquids make huge drops. 20 large drops is equal to about 40 small ones. If you're talking in terms of drops, I assume you are dripping into the metal end, which is a fine method, if it's done with a little care. Also keep in mind that the first fill-up is going to take more drops than subsequent fill-ups because the fiber-fill inside needs to absorb the liquid and it will always retain part of the liquid... but even though it may seem full with 25 drops on the first fill, part of that liquid is not yet absorbed. It's like a flash flood, where rain comes down faster than the ground can absorb it. Once the filler absorbs that first fill-up, you may only half it at half capacity. That's why it's always recommended that you fill new cartos and let the soak overnight, then fill again. So the first fill-up may take 40 drops and subsequent fill-ups may only hold 20-25.

The question you didn't ask is "how do you know when it's full?" Most people think it's when you see liquid coming out the other end, and that's partially true, but it may not full when that happens. It could be that the juice found it's way into the air tube running up the side inside the cartomizer and ran out the mouthpiece, while the fiber-fill is not yet saturated. This might mean that only 15 drops made it to the fiber and 5 drops ran out the mouthpiece. This usually happens if you are going too fast when you fill it, not giving drops enough time to pass through and get absorbed. If you place one drop at a time on the metal tip, about one second apart, it should flow through OK. But sometimes it stops going in, and some people say that's when you know it's full. Not necessarily so. Sometimes an air bubble will form and stop the liquid from flowing inside. Make sure one drop has flowed through before placing the next drop, and if it stalls, give it a few gentle taps on the table to break up bubbles. And to clear the passageway to the filler, I wipe the metal tip with a tissue then put it in my mouth like a whistle and gently blow into it to push the liquid past the atomizer and into the filler. If I see liquid at the mouthpiece before I think I should, I will wipe the mouthpiece and gently blow through it, pushing the liquid back toward the atomizer.

If you fill with a syringe, it should take about 1.2ml on the first fill, and about .7-.9 subsequently.

A fully filled cartomizer should last an average of two hours of vaping time, whether done all in one session or spread out over a day. How many puffs is like how many drops... depends on how big they are. I've never counted puffs.

You should be alert to when the flavor starts getting less pleasant and the vapor less productive. Be careful to not burn them up by vaping them until dry. Stop at the first bad taste or lack of vapor.

If you don't burn them up, they can last for months. But they are not intended to be long term, so sometimes they die for unknown reasons after only a few fills, maybe less. They are not juice hogs. Not like the ego-tank, which is a juice hog. Not all liquids are equal. Some high quality juices last a long time, others burn up quicker. If one particular juice provides a lot of vapor by dripping onto the old-fashioned atomizer, but not so much in a cartomizer, it might be because the atomizer is burning more efficiently. Sometimes I notice vapor production is less even with cartomizers. They are not made to the same standards as atomizers. They are considered disposable. The manufacturers hope you buy them prefilled and toss them when empty to start a new one.

I love my Joye cartomizers. There is a small learning curve to getting the most from them, but I think it's worth it.

If you're not opposed to using a syringe, here's a tip: Take a small sharp tool and pop the mouthpiece cap off with a gentle lift. Then you'll see a barrier piece with two small holes in it about 1/4" down inside. Find something sharp and pry that out and toss it. Then puncture the tube in the middle. That's the fill port. Put the mouthpiece cap back on. Use a blunt syringe to go right through the mouthpiece hole and into the fill port. Like I said, about .8ml to fill before you see a drop forming at the metal tip. Pull back a hair on the plunger and that drop gets sucked back up. Withdraw your syringe and vape away!
 

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thank you very much for your post. Good question about "how do you know it's full". However, my question is "How do you know it's TOO full?" At first I was filling from the mouthpiece end, but after reading the forums, I started filling from the metal end. However, no matter from each end I fill and how many drops I put in, the first few puffs always give me a mouthfull of juice... :( I guess it means I overfill them, but I cannot understand how can I tell it's too full and it's time to stop?? If I use mouthpiece end, I just put 5 drops and the juice is not even coming from the metal end yet. If I use the metal end (which I mostly do now), I do like you said: put 1 drop, wait 2 seconds, put another one, until it stops going down the hole easily. Now I even don't wait until that point: just put 4-5 drops and that's it. Still end up with jucie in my mouth!! And I try to puff very carefully and slowly, I don't suck on it hard. Not sure what am I doing wrong???
 
tami,
i use the condom method (those clear cups that come on the carto). with a new carto i fill it up 75% of the way. then slowlllly dip the carto (thread side) into the condom. you can watch/see the liquid being absorbed...go slow...it will suck up all of the liquid. i then fill the condom back up - about 50% and even slower...do it again.(sometime on the other end-to make sure the filler is completely saturated) many say to let it sit over night..and that definitely does help. but i then wipe it off with a paper towel. give it a little blow out and then pull/drag....the liquid will be absorbed..you may hear a little gargle..take a pull on it and it should go away..don't blow out too hard or you'll lose all the juice. always have a napkin/tissue/ptowel @ the ready) after the initial fill - i do 50% condom refills...lasts an hour with constant vape - 1/2 day with hourly 2-3 pulls. I always make sure the juice it in the filler after filling..small blow, small drag before attaching my ego. = no juice in your mouth. i use 70/30 80/20 juice. i notice that straight pg goes much quicker with cartos and have had more incidents with over filling/juice in the mouth. as srcowell said too - sometimes the insides are not always set up for instant vaping. i haven't popped off caps or used syringes but i have used a paperclip to gently tap the tube inside so that the juice can get in/be absorbed easier.
just take it slow - so you can enjoy it more. best of luck!
 

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I have tried several different brands of both atomizers and cartomizers. I've used the new CE2 R4's, Bogies, dripping and I really think the Joye brand cartomizer is by far the best. You never get any polyester taste from the filler, until it is time to refill them. What you do get is the true flavor of what you are vaping without having to constantly add drops.

I vape 3 different flavors consistently that I have to refill everyday. Two are VG, which is a heavier liquid and everyone says it gums up the filler quicker than PG. I still get at least 4 weeks out of the cartomizers. I have never found a bad element.

I have an 18 gauge 1 1/2" needle to fill them with. It takes about 3 twists to pierce the cap like a drill. Please note the drill part. By twisting the needle with gentle pressure, you can drill right through the fill tube cap with no effort at all. Put the condom/cap on the threaded end. You can then fill them completely to the rim and not worry about over filling them, let it soak in, pour any juice that's on top back into the bottle, then insert the first flat cap, take off the condom/cap from the threaded end and blow any excess juice that is in the bottom of the carto out the threaded end back into the bottle. I have seen a lot of people say to throw this cap away, but you should not do that. By putting the first cap in before, you do not blow out any juice that is in the filler material. If you blow through the carto without this cap in place you will blow 25-40% of the juice you just put in right back out the bottom.

The only juice I lose is whatever I wipe off the outside of the cartomizer. I never get any juice in my mouth and they do not leak a drop filling them this way. I always get over 1 ml on the first fill and right at 1 ml on each fill afterwards. Try filling any other cartomizer or atomizer like that and let me know what happens.

Also, because of these carts not leaking by using this method, I now use auto batteries. I really like auto batteries, but because of leaking burning them out I had went to manual. Now I am back to autos to stay.
 

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Hi, I'm relatively new in vaping (since November), but I can tell 90% of my experience is with handling joye 510 cartos.
I had tried by myself absolutely everything I read on the above posts. I diassembled them, modded some, and filled using every possible way.

For me, the easiest and cleanest way to fill them:

- In a unused carto, I take apart the thread/atomizer from the plastic housing.
- I fill the filling material the same way I do with a cart, just add the drops till the filling looks wet.
- Reassemble the parts.

Using this method there's no need to pierce the cap, and since there will be no hole, it will never leak from there.

Now you can throw away that inner cap that exists for the sole purpose of keeping the needle hole from leaking juice from filler material into your mouth. Actually it doesn't even seal that hole completely and I always had leaking issues from that method..

Another advantage of using the carto without the inner cap is that the airflow resistance diminishes noticeably, and that means a bit more vapor.

The other advantage is that you can take it apart and wash your wick/atomizer and polyfill whenever you need.

Very easy and no syringe, no needles, no leaking, no mess.
 

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I think you are wasting a lot of money. Why not just use an atomizer? When you remove the thread from the housing you break the element that runs up through the filler leaving you with an expensive atomizer anyway. It is heating the juice all the way through that makes a carto a carto.

Hi, I'm relatively new in vaping (since November), but I can tell 90% of my experience is with handling joye 510 cartos.
I had tried by myself absolutely everything I read on the above posts. I diassembled them, modded some, and filled using every possible way.

For me, the easiest and cleanest way to fill them:

- In a unused carto, I take apart the thread/atomizer from the plastic housing.
- I fill the filling material the same way I do with a cart, just add the drops till the filling looks wet.
- Reassemble the parts.

Using this method there's no need to pierce the cap, and since there will be no hole, it will never leak from there.

Now you can throw away that inner cap that exists for the sole purpose of keeping the needle hole from leaking juice from filler material into your mouth. Actually it doesn't even seal that hole completely and I always had leaking issues from that method..

Another advantage of using the carto without the inner cap is that the airflow resistance diminishes noticeably, and that means a bit more vapor.

The other advantage is that you can take it apart and wash your wick/atomizer and polyfill whenever you need.

Very easy and no syringe, no needles, no leaking, no mess.
 

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I think you are wasting a lot of money. Why not just use an atomizer? When you remove the thread from the housing you break the element that runs up through the filler leaving you with an expensive atomizer anyway. It is heating the juice all the way through that makes a carto a carto.

ussrandy, I'm not wasting money at all. I'm saving money.

I don't remove and don't break anything in my cartos, I simply separate the parts and when I reassemble, the carto will be working absolutely the same way it should be as new.

Something that costs about 1/5th the price of an atomizer should never be called "an expensive atomizer".

I use a carto instead of an atty because the carto gives me much more vapor and flavor for a fraction of the price.

My cartos are still cartos and supposed to heat the juice all the way through.
The way I describe, with periodic (and very easy) cleaning, it will last a lot, maybe more than an atomizer.

If you would like to fill this carto in a much easier way, or on the go, without a syringe, without having any mess to clean and assure it won't leak through the hole the needle makes, it is a viable option that I think many could take advantage of.

The way people vape is a very personal preference. Some people prefer dripping, others prefer the atomizer, but the creator of this thread asked for tips to fill a joye 510 carto and that's what my post was about.
 
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The way people vape is a very personal preference. Some people prefer dripping, others prefer the atomizer, but the creator of this thread asked for tips to fill a joye 510 carto and that's what my post was about.

Aha! This is actually a very clever way to fill those puppies. Congratulations.

I have to confess that I never had any luck with refilling genuine Joye cartos so I gave up on them, even though I liked the flavor and vapor production they provided. I did take them apart a couple of times and tried to refill by dripping into the filler, but somehow I would always end up with a leaking seam. Perhaps I was too sloppy reassembling them. I'm glad you got them to work.
 

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When you remove the thread from the housing you break the element that runs up through the filler leaving you with an expensive atomizer anyway. It is heating the juice all the way through that makes a carto a carto.

No she doesn't. The Joye cartos are constructed differently. They are more like an atty and a cartridge in a carto shell.
 

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I tried the "genuine" cartos. Hard tip. Wasn't impressed although I think I may not have filled them properly. I condom filled them and certainly filled with ample juice. shook them up for awhile. First hit was pretty good. Second hit was the foulest nastiest burnt taste my throat has ever experienced. The taste has stuck with me and I really haven't gone back to them. I received Boge soft tip cartos a day after and they worked far better. Still used the condom method for initial filling but drip to top off. They have worked quite well. I think I paid 6.39 for 5 + shipping. Draw is very light.

Still not much of a carto person. 510-t works great and has a far stiffer draw.
 

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Aha! This is actually a very clever way to fill those puppies. Congratulations.

I have to confess that I never had any luck with refilling genuine Joye cartos so I gave up on them, even though I liked the flavor and vapor production they provided. I did take them apart a couple of times and tried to refill by dripping into the filler, but somehow I would always end up with a leaking seam. Perhaps I was too sloppy reassembling them. I'm glad you got them to work.

Katya, have you ever tried to do it keeping the cap unpierced? Maybe keeping the filling container without the hole in the other side would help to prevent the liquid from flowing so freely.

The only complaint I have about these cartos is that in most of them, the wick has cyanoacrylate impregnatet in them.
I think this is possibly the reason why some people fell "plastic taste" when vaping joye cartos.

Super glue vapor isn't the healthiest substance to fill your lungs with and is not one of my favorite flavors. :)
I think if you keep the carto from drying out of liquid, the wick won't reach the temp to burn the glue.

To prevent this, before using I always burn the wicks with fire (the amount of "plastic burning" penetrating odor that comes out is frightening) till it stops producing that smell then I dry burn and wash them.

I think that doing this the super glue is gone with its smoke.
 
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No she doesn't. The Joye cartos are constructed differently. They are more like an atty and a cartridge in a carto shell.

Thanks, I din't understand clearly ussrandy's note about cartos design (english is not my native language) and I gave him a mistaken answer.

And, as I said my experience is restricted to attys and joye cartos (l have lots of them to play with). Unfortunately joye is the only carto design I had contact with.
 

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Thanks, I din't understand clearly ussrandy's note about cartos design (english is not my native language) and I gave him a mistaken answer.

And, as I said my experience is restricted to attys and joye cartos (l have lots of them to play with). Unfortunately joye is the only carto design I had contact with.

Here's a GenJoye carto taken apart by LGD (4:50 or so into the video)

YouTube - Genuine Joye Cartomizer dubbed GenJoye carto :D

And this is what a traditional, vertical coil cartomizer looks like:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor4life/137330-anatomy-cartomizer-2.html#post2187071

And yes, I didn't care for the plastic-y taste of those cartos. I'm not sure what that taste was, but I didn't like it.

I think, however, that making claims that cyanoacrylate is present in the carto is going a bit far without actually testing for its presence. Can you prove that claim? Or are you just speculating?
 

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Katya, thanks for the video.


I think, however, that making claims that cyanoacrylate is present in the carto is going a bit far without actually testing for its presence. Can you prove that claim? Or are you just speculating?


I didn't make any chemical analysis, I am speculating but I have some reasons to do so:


- The material I found in the wick is the same material used to glue the atomizer to the plastic. When I disassemble it, I can clearly see that they use lots of glue in some cartos and less in others. The more glue they used, more the glue in the wick. Some times the wick is glued to the plastic body when I separate the parts because of too much glue used when manufactured. ( I disassembled ALL of the cartos I own, this is the first thing I do, when they are brand new - I disassembled exactly 49 unused cartos ).

- The glue used is transparent and brittle just like cyanoacrylate.

- The plastic of many of the cartos that I bought came covered with something that looks like a white smoke that's a characteristic of cyanoacrylate vapors. I'm not sure if it's clear what I'm talking about. I have some difficulties to expose such sensitive impressions in english.
But, if you have some super glue around, then leave some plastic near it when its drying and emitting vapors, then you will see a white smoke on its surface. I saw the same thing on the surface of many NEW cartos.

- The wick material is supposed to be soft, even when tied like in these cartos, and when there's glue in it, it becomes hard and brittle, just like super glue.

- Cyanoacrylate has everything be the glue of choice of the manufacturer: it's easy to handle, cheap and largely produced in China.

- The only test I could do at home would be to check if acetone, one of the few things that dissolves cyanoacrylate, dilutes it. Tested it right before posting: Yes.

- For me, the most important reason to believe it's super glue is because its smell when burned is an old known of mine and is very characteristic, I don't know anything that smells alike. I really trust the smell to assume it is cyanoacrylate.
 
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Here's a GenJoye carto taken apart by LGD (4:50 or so into the video)

YouTube - Genuine Joye Cartomizer dubbed GenJoye carto :D

I have some of these left and I may just revisit them. I like that the coil isn't wrapped. I wish they would have put it in a metal casing.. Thanks for the vid and I like the idea of not punching out the seal too. Perhaps replacing the wick with silica rope? If needed...
 

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- The only test I could do at home would be to check if acetone, one of the few things that dissolves cyanoacrylate, dilutes it. Tested it right before posting: Yes.

- For me, the most important reason to believe it's super glue is because its smell when burned is an old known of mine and is very characteristic, I don't know anything that smells alike. I really trust the smell to assume it is cyanoacrylate.

Yuck....

I have some of these left and I may just revisit them. I like that the coil isn't wrapped. I wish they would have put it in a metal casing.. Thanks for the vid and I like the idea of not punching out the seal too. Perhaps replacing the wick with silica rope? If needed...

You go first. :D

Just be careful; that coil is very fragile. At least mine was... :facepalm:
 
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