Juice not vaping, like at all

[IProbablyHaveAName]

Ok, so, I live in a state where they started tightly regulating vale juice. I haven’t made my own in almost 4 years but I figured I’d start again, save some money cuz what little flavored juice you can find at the few stores that absorb the fines is at a markup. I used to be good at it but I also used to basics love at the vape store and also build all day long religiously so, there’s that too. ok, enough of my life story.

I made a few flavors and al went well except for one. I made it a long time ago but I’m getting different results now. It is a blue raspberry flavor. no sweetener, I don’t like the Sucralose and it preserves coils that way. 70/30, 20% flavor mixture 3 parts blue raz sour candy to 1 part blue raz. Touch of menthol, you get a blue raspberry slushy. I swear it worked once upon a time ago. Well, something weird is happening. I did only steep it for a few days, like 3 or 4, but it’s not wicking, or maybe it is, but no vapor hardly at all, and immediate burnt taste. In fact, I tried wicking a new coil with it yesterday. Waited 10 minutes after priming, fill up the tank, start at 60w, small tip, nothing, I don’t think much of it cuz it’s a 110w coil, so I really rip it, and boom the coil is totaled. Load up new coil, and i prime with a different juice I made and it’s totally fine. Tastes great. I pop in the blue raz again, even mixed into the existing juice and I immediately have problems. Barely any vapor and now I’m not burning the coil out but it just tastes like a plant is on fire. So I thought, maybe something about this mixture needs to be thinned out. I load in some more PG and flavoring which is PG based, wait a day. Come today. It’s worse than yesterday. Now not very little, literally no vapor is coming out and I can’t get a half hit before I just get a nasty plant like taste.

I can rule out sugars because there is no sweetener, I can rule out viscosity because it’s now more like a 60/40, and I can rule out a bad coil because other juices are fine. It’s just this one flavor, which is a shame because this one is my favorite.

does anyone know what might be going on with this and have any ideas on what I might be able to do to fix it? I am super confused by this. I can do complex math in my head and some how it’s making blue raz vape juice that’s making my head hurt.

thanks in advance for your suggestions and advice!

 

[smacuser]

20% flavor sounds kind of high.

 

[SupplyDaddy]

I'm sure you left out a lot of information in that big ol' post you made, but here goes.

20% flavor Is high, and it's even more since you added more flavor.
70/30 which way? 70/30 VG/PG or PG/VG? Even that is wrong since you added more PG and flavoring.

What type of tank/RDA/RTA/Pod are you using and what are the ohms of the coils you use?

Where did you get this flavoring, PG and VG? Sounds like one or more of the items could be sketchy.

 

[IProbablyHaveAName]

I'm sure you left out a lot of information in that big ol' post you made, but here goes.

20% flavor Is high, and it's even more since you added more flavor.
70/30 which way? 70/30 VG/PG or PG/VG? Even that is wrong since you added more PG and flavoring.

What type of tank/RDA/RTA/Pod are you using and what are the ohms of the coils you use?

Where did you get this flavoring, PG and VG? Sounds like one or more of the items could be sketchy.

Hey. 70vg, 20%pg flavor, 10%pg solution drip on a glacier, tank is a mesh pro with a x2 coil. I agree 20% is pretty hi. Tried TFA raz for the first time, as a lot of people rated it higher than CAP, but I quickly found I needed more of it to get virtually any flavor at all. It was surprisingly dead. I know I didn’t add any sweetener, but to even notice a flavor had to push up to 20%. Original recipe I made once upon a time ago was closer to 10. Maybe less, but rounding off since it was so long ago. I started there and worked my way up til it tasted right, and I should add, the problem got worse over time. Immediately after making the flavor this wasn’t a problem. It only became a problem after a day and got progressively worse.

mad far as the supplies, Wizard labs. Unless they suddenly fell off, their pg, vg, and nix are still among some of the cleanest I know of. Back when I lived in Florida I had been to their warehouse. Place is less of a warehouse and basically just a pristine spotless lab. You honestly would think someone was doing surgery in back cuz everyone is in masks, gloves, and scrubs.

(edit) starting to think actually even 10 is too high for this. I see other people complaint about TFAs blue raz at 10 and 12 percent and someone noted it tastes best at 2.5%. Given I could barely taste it at 10, idk if less is more, but I am going to make a super smal batch of that today with a much lower amount and see what happens. At 10% they described it as tasting dirty so it sounds like a similar problem, that is a long way of from the typical 10% flavor solution I use for most juices, so I am interested to see what 2.5% does and I’ll report back.

 

[smacuser]

I don't see TFA raz as a flavor. Do you mean Blue Raspberry, where did you get it? If it's Blue Raspberry, 4-6% should be the average in a mix. You might be overly flavoring it.

 

[IProbablyHaveAName]

I don't see TFA raz as a flavor. Do you mean Blue Raspberry, where did you get it? If it's Blue Raspberry, 4-6% should be the average in a mix. You might be overly flavoring it.

Yeah I’m just contracting it because I fat finger the living * out of this and I’m in my phone. Blue Raspberry Flavor Concentrate by TFA (4oz). I just saw someone else say they like it at 4% so I’m gonna say that’s the sweet spot. I am going to try a 5% mixture and see if that at least fixes the problem and ignor flavor strength for now and I’ll check back

 

[smacuser]

Yeah I’m just contracting it because I fat finger the living * out of this and I’m in my phone. Blue Raspberry Flavor Concentrate by TFA (4oz). I just saw someone else say they like it at 4% so I’m gonna say that’s the sweet spot. I am going to try a 5% mixture and see if that at least fixes the problem and ignor flavor strength for now and I’ll check back

Your links won't work until you have 5 posts (spam reasons), I believe you. Yes, try aroud 5% and let us now. I'm a little confused by the 10% pg solution drip part.

 

[Letitia]

Best to start low with flavor %, over flavoring actually mutes the taste.

 

[IProbablyHaveAName]

Your links won't work until you have 5 posts (spam reasons), I believe you. Yes, try aroud 5% and let us now. I'm a little confused by the 10% pg solution drip part.

That’s just my poor mobile phone punctuation, i was saying 70vg, 10pg, 20pg flavoring, on a glacier 2 drip, or on a a m-pro tank

 

[IProbablyHaveAName]

Best to start low with flavor %, over flavoring actually mutes the taste.

So far 10% has been to varying degrees where I had liked a lot of other juices so I didn’t think blue raz would be so different, and I didn’t know flavors got muted with more. That’s interesting. Well I am doing a 5% solution at the same flavor ratios so I’ll check in with how 5% does

 

[SupplyDaddy]

I also use Wizardlabs, so the quality shouldn't be an issue.
That leaves possibly a bad batch of coils for your FreeMax or some other user issue.

 

[IProbablyHaveAName]

I also use Wizardlabs, so the quality shouldn't be an issue.
That leaves possibly a bad batch of coils for your FreeMax or some other user issue.

I think you might have been dead on on my percentage of flavor. Seems the general consensus is less flavoring. Because although I’m too scared to try and wick with it, it it still leaves a burnt plant taste if I attempt to vape it even half a tank mixed with Red’s Berries. Not AS bad on an RDA but on the tank I have to dump it

 

[IProbablyHaveAName]

Ok, without steeping, which is where the problem tends to get worse, it SEEMS a lot better, but the flavor seems a bit on the weak side. Is the only remedy for this a sweetener? Or higher PG concentration? I tend to prefer high VG juices but I have had an 80/20 blue raz made by a commercial juice manufacturer with stronger flavor than this, so I am definitely wondering if there is something else...

 

[Letitia]

Ok, without steeping, which is where the problem tends to get worse, it SEEMS a lot better, but the flavor seems a bit on the weak side. Is the only remedy for this a sweetener? Or higher PG concentration? I tend to prefer high VG juices but I have had an 80/20 blue raz made by a commercial juice manufacturer with stronger flavor than this, so I am definitely wondering if there is something else...

Just let it steep a few days before adjusting anything. If the flavor is close to what you are aiming for I would just add a drop or two of sweetener then taste again. If it still seems weak then what I do is just add 2-3 drops of flavor to the bottle, shake and let sit another 3 days before tasting.

 

[BrotherBob]

I tend to prefer high VG juices

Steeping is not something I consider a subject of concern. Some juices change a little with aging; some change a lot. I use to mix many mixes per mixing session and everything received 4 weeks min. and more often, 2-3 months steep is not unusual. It's all about managing what you mix vs what you have left in stock. I believe If a mix is not good or has not approached my minimal taste acceptance (after a few shakes various times through the aging process) the mix is a failure. If the taste is good only after 2-3 weeks and goes down hill, it's not for me. If anyone believes a more rigorous mechanical/thermal intervention hastens and improves your mix, go for it.

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Ok, without steeping, which is where the problem tends to get worse, it SEEMS a lot better, but the flavor seems a bit on the weak side. Is the only remedy for this a sweetener? Or higher PG concentration? I tend to prefer high VG juices but I have had an 80/20 blue raz made by a commercial juice manufacturer with stronger flavor than this, so I am definitely wondering if there is something else...

As far as your flavor issue, steeped or not, higher flavor percentage mutes flavor.

Your VG/PG mix isn't a factor. 70/30, 80/20 what ever VG/PG is a good general area to be. My 3% Double Chocolate (80/20 VG/PG 2% Double Chocolate, 1% Bavarian Cream and 3MG nic with .25% sucralose ) is fresh made last night and vaping well with good flavor for fresh (I normally steep a week and let it keep steeping afterwards while in use), and I make 500ml batches of everything.

Even with the high flavor % in your original post, you should still be getting a good vape, although maybe not the flavor you want.

This swings it back to your equipment, or your use of the equipment.

You stated you started out at 60watts and your coil is rated for 110watts.
I don't care who makes the coils, but there is no real reason to use either rating nor start at that wattage.
Drop your power to about 35 watts or even lower and go up from there as you gauge the taste and texture of the vape. Stop when it tastes ans feels right to you.

 

[IProbablyHaveAName]

As far as your flavor issue, steeped or not, higher flavor percentage mutes flavor.

Your VG/PG mix isn't a factor. 70/30, 80/20 what ever VG/PG is a good general area to be. My 3% Double Chocolate (80/20 VG/PG 2% Double Chocolate, 1% Bavarian Cream and 3MG nic with .25% sucralose ) is fresh made last night and vaping well with good flavor for fresh (I normally steep a week and let it keep steeping afterwards while in use), and I make 500ml batches of everything.

Even with the high flavor % in your original post, you should still be getting a good vape, although maybe not the flavor you want.

This swings it back to your equipment, or your use of the equipment.

You stated you started out at 60watts and your coil is rated for 110watts.
I don't care who makes the coils, but there is no real reason to use either rating nor start at that wattage.
Drop your power to about 35 watts or even lower and go up from there as you gauge the taste and texture of the vape. Stop when it tastes ans feels right to you.

I appreciate the advice. Certainly could be the equipment. I don’t typically have to go that low to get 3+ weeks out of a coil except with the juice I started making. That’s the only variable that changed which is why I point it out. After resting for 10 minutes, in 7 years I have never had an issue on any device or mod starting at around 50% final wattage. So something is up. I also think there is more to it because, as I said, even caping strong on a commercial juice, when I added my blue raz it again caused problems on a day old broken in coil. Thankfully it is a bit better with the new mix. I did notice something though. On the blue raspberry candy, not the TFA flavor but my other one. Not marked in bottle but I THINK it was west vape, water is an ingredient. Why? I can’t think of a way that is good to have on your coils. I am sure it is distilled and in small enough quantities to not cause problems in most cases but JUST saw this with the bottle in front of me. I’m not super experienced with vape juices but that’s a first for me to see water as an ingredient.

 

[Letitia]

I mix my base with 8% distilled water. DW is a fairly common ingredient. Could have been diluted by the vendor selling the concentrate.

 

[IProbablyHaveAName]

I mix my base with 8% distilled water. DW is a fairly common ingredient. Could have been diluted by the vendor selling the concentrate.

Interesting. Is there a particular thing that achieves?

 

[Letitia]

Interesting. Is there a particular thing that achieves?

I'm prone to the heavy lung feeling vg can bring on yet prefer high vg and am also a touch pg sensitive. DW relieves the heavy feeling and thins my juice so it wicks better.