Just a question I want to put out there, non inflammatory I hope...

[generic mutant]

Some of the other alkaloids are probably 'coaddictive' with nicotine, some are I believe demonstrably addictive in their own right.

Either way, you'll no doubt adjust physiologically in time.

I know what you mean about the cost of WTA, but I thought screw it, it's cheaper than smoking. Bought a bottle of Wholecig unflavoured, and just have a couple of drips at a time, when 'normal' e-liquid doesn't seem to be cutting it.

I expect it to last me between 1 and 2 years at this rate. (and it's also reduced my total consumption of e-liquid significantly)

P.S. Protonated nicotine levels (affected by pH, apparently) have a huge impact on bioavailability. Conceivably e-liquid has the same 'toxic' load but less psychoactive effect if its levels differ from those in cigarettes.

 

[JohnDaddyo]

I get more of a scratchy feel in the back of my throat/tongue. I know it's when I vape too much! I use zero nic. The thing is, some days, I hold on to it all day (my device) (uhm, my itaste or evic!) and it becomes like a pacifier I'm sure, I must swallow some vapor during the day also?

 

[Stosh]

One big difference in smoking and vaping is your stopping point, smoke a cig, when it's burnt to the filter, you're done. Many of today's tanks will carry enough juice for 1/2 a day or better, and you can keep vaping continuously, there's no natural stopping point.

Sometimes it's as simple as "drop the PV, back away slowly, keep your hands where we can see 'em, and nobody gets hurt".... Try to keep your vaping to "vape breaks" not a constant pacifier....I know it's hard....

 

[Silent Scream]

Some of the other alkaloids are probably 'coaddictive' with nicotine, some are I believe demonstrably addictive in their own right.

Either way, you'll no doubt adjust physiologically in time.

I know what you mean about the cost of WTA, but I thought screw it, it's cheaper than smoking. Bought a bottle of Wholecig unflavoured, and just have a couple of drips at a time, when 'normal' e-liquid doesn't seem to be cutting it.

I expect it to last me between 1 and 2 years at this rate.

P.S. Protonated nicotine levels (affected by pH, apparently) have a huge impact on bioavailability. Conceivably e-liquid has the same 'toxic' load but less psychoactive effect if its levels differ from those in cigarettes.

How did you get on with the WTA? Did you think 'wow that's what I've been missing' or is it having some kind of placebo effect and any benefits are largely psychological? Actually if it was the latter I doubt you'd admit it, I wouldn't either

 

[DaveP]

24mg gets you off the cigarettes. Then, you can taper off gradually and work your way down to a lower level. People require different levels depending on how they vape and how their body reacts to the nic level they are vaping. If you frequently exhale through the nose, you get significantly more nic than if you exhale through the mouth all the time.

Long slow pulls give you more nic as opposed to short hits and quick exhales. The length of time you hold the vapor in your mouth contributes to absorption. Not much nic is absorbed in the bronchial tubes and little is absorbed by the lungs, since the droplet size is magnitudes larger than the ash particles of cigarettes.

 

[generic mutant]

How did you get on with the WTA? Did you think 'wow that's what I've been missing' or is it having some kind of placebo effect and any benefits are largely psychological? Actually if it was the latter I doubt you'd admit it, I wouldn't either

There's no way of blinding yourself to it - it tastes really distinctive. The only thing I can say is "like a liquid cigarette", but obviously in my case with the VG base (they do do 'American Cigarette' and menthol versions too).

But I've found it *massively* reduced the urge to smoke and to vape. I couldn't quit the last couple of cigarettes per day until I got my WTA.

I've now taken up snus as well (just a couple of portions per day), which has the same effect - I can just pick up the vaporiser when I feel like it, or when I'm going to the pub, rather than feeling the constant compulsion.

Though obviously that will in part be me having adapted to not smoking, and the excitement of new toys wearing off, I'm more or less 100% sure WTA isn't a placebo, both from what I've read and my own experience. For me, it was an immediate, obvious, visceral effect.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

WTA has a lot to do with it for some people, I think.

First of all, you're detoxing from the other alkaloids, which will make you feel odd even if you're getting nicotine.

Secondly, if you're chasing the other alkaloids, you'll be craving 'a smoke', substituting vaping for that, and loading up on nicotine, never hitting the satiation point because you aren't ingesting the psychoactive elements you're actually craving.

Combine that with the fact that for most people smoking is fairly self-limiting (I can't smoke more than 1 every 1/2 hour even if I'm drunk), whereas vaping isn't, and the delayed absorption, and you can easily overshoot your level.

P.S. try some Thunder Ultra snus if you want to check you're sure what nicotine overdose is like. Cripes

I thought about WTA's but a couple of things put me off, mostly that they are untested and they are prohibitively expensive (and I'd have to buy them from the US anyway). Strange thing is, I haven't once even considered having a cig since I started vaping. I just never wanted one. Maybe I want the alkaloids and don't even know it? Dunno, but yeah it kind of makes sense I might be overcompensating a bit and taking in too much nic.

I've been on 18 for quite a while now, and for the first three weeks on 24 I had no problems at all then suddenly it hit me. I can't figure any of it out.

Good post. This is where I was thinking about heading you next. Yes, WTA can be very expensive, but considering most find relief from just one or two drops of the concentrated eliquid, it could possibly last quite a while. You may not even need it in every tank vaped. I do know that DVap has done more than his fair share in figuring all of the alkaloids out and I will need to find the company he worked extensively with in order to point you to it. Can't hurt to have a looksee.
brb
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http://www.aromaejuice.com/

Plus if you do a WTA search here on the ecf you will find discussions of this as well as those of the NET extractions.

 

[Silent Scream]

One big difference in smoking and vaping is your stopping point, smoke a cig, when it's burnt to the filter, you're done. Many of today's tanks will carry enough juice for 1/2 a day or better, and you can keep vaping continuously, there's no natural stopping point.

Sometimes it's as simple as "drop the PV, back away slowly, keep your hands where we can see 'em, and nobody gets hurt".... Try to keep your vaping to "vape breaks" not a constant pacifier....I know it's hard....

So true, I vape a lot just out of habit. I need self control!

If you frequently exhale through the nose, you get significantly more nic than if you exhale through the mouth all the time.

I didn't do this at first but I do it all the time now. I get the flavours better that way. That's easily changed, thanks.

Good post. This is where I was thinking about heading you next. Yes, WTA can be very expensive, but considering most find relief from just one or two drops of the concentrated eliquid, it could possibly last quite a while. You may not even need it in every tank vaped. I do know that DVap has done more than his fair share in figuring all of the alkoloids out and I will need to find the company he worked extensively with in order to point you to it. Can't hurt to have a looksee.
brb

Thanks much.

There's no way of blinding yourself to it - it tastes really distinctive. The only thing I can say is "like a liquid cigarette", but obviously in my case with the VG base (they do do 'American Cigarette' and menthol versions too).

But I've found it *massively* reduced the urge to smoke and to vape. I couldn't quit the last couple of cigarettes per day until I got my WTA.

I've now taken up snus as well (just a couple of portions per day), which has the same effect - I can just pick up the vaporiser when I feel like it, or when I'm going to the pub, rather than feeling the constant compulsion.

Though obviously that will in part be me having adapted to not smoking, and the excitement of new toys wearing off, I'm more or less 100% sure WTA isn't a placebo, both from what I've read and my own experience. For me, it was an immediate, obvious, visceral effect.

Okay that's a resounding recommendation I'm going to have to look into this for sure. Thanks for the info.