Just got this email...

[Cullin Kin]

From my health insurance! It was a link to the article below. C'mon Kaiser... I thought you were better than this. To quote old studies and fear monger your patients? Seriously?!

http://partnersinhealth.kaiserperma...easons-to-say-no-to-e-cigarettes-nat-june2015

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Didn't you get the memo? Taking a FDA approved drug that makes you wig out and kill your family is a much safer alternative to ecigs....

 

[Cullin Kin]

Didn't you get the memo? Taking a FDA approved drug that makes you wig out and kill your family is a much safer alternative to ecigs....

lol I got the memo! I mean, I guess I'm kind of used to things like this with Kaiser... They keep their insurance to themselves, you can't use it anywhere else but Kaiser facilities. But come on...

 

[DoctorJ]

From my health insurance! It was a link to the article below. C'mon Kaiser... I thought you were better than this. To quote old studies and fear monger your patients? Seriously?!

http://partnersinhealth.kaiserperma...easons-to-say-no-to-e-cigarettes-nat-june2015

Huh, where's the citations for #1 on the list? I've never heard of the FDA releasing anything on ejuice yet. I may have missed it, so if anyone knows, please direct me where this "information" can be found?

 

[jaytex1969]

Let them know how you feel:

The working Kaiser Permanente phone number for Bernard Tyson is 510-271-2659 and his Admin. is Sherry Buie. She may be reached at 510-271-6368

Verified e-mail address for Bernard.J.Tyson@kp.org
You can also try tweeting Bernard Tyson at:
https://twitter.com/bernardjtyson

Here is the address to write to him via US mail:
One Kaiser Plaza, 1550 Ordway, Oakland, California 94612
Attention: Mr. Bernard Tyson


Jay

 

[dom qp]

I'm really glad I work for a responsible insurer.

We really make the distinction by lumping together "tobacco products" of which e-cigarettes don't belong.

With the lack of real scientific evidence showing harm in the long term, we don't even talk or comment on electronic cigarettes.

 

[scrabble]

Didn't you get the memo? Taking a FDA approved drug that makes you wig out and kill your family is a much safer alternative to ecigs....

Aww. That's the truest and saddest thing I've read all day.

 

[hashtag]

Are there any legit studies that show a lower or equal success rate to nic patch, gum etc...? I see that thrown around a lot in the propaganda but it just doesn't seem right. I know my real world sample size is small but I don't know anyone who has quit smoking and stayed quit using approved cessation products. I know quite a few who have quit through vaping and a couple who have quit cold turkey. It just doesn't seem like a valid claim, of the 20 or so people I know who quit smoking for vaping only 2-3 have gone back to smoking (to be fair that doesn't include the people who tried vaping for a week and never really quit smoking)

 

[kaahn]

Let them know how you feel:

The working Kaiser Permanente phone number for Bernard Tyson is 510-271-2659 and his Admin. is Sherry Buie. She may be reached at 510-271-6368

Verified e-mail address for Bernard.J.Tyson@kp.org
You can also try tweeting Bernard Tyson at:
https://twitter.com/bernardjtyson

Here is the address to write to him via US mail:
One Kaiser Plaza, 1550 Ordway, Oakland, California 94612
Attention: Mr. Bernard Tyson


Jay

Heh California...no wonder...

 

[scrabble]

Are there any legit studies that show a lower or equal success rate to nic patch, gum etc...? I see that thrown around a lot in the propaganda but it just doesn't seem right. I know my real world sample size is small but I don't know anyone who has quit smoking and stayed quit using approved cessation products. I know quite a few who have quit through vaping and a couple who have quit cold turkey. It just doesn't seem like a valid claim, of the 20 or so people I know who quit smoking for vaping only 2-3 have gone back to smoking (to be fair that doesn't include the people who tried vaping for a week and never really quit smoking)

Nobody quit smoking, they just switched to vaping.

 

[Thespis]

Nobody quit smoking, they just switched to vaping.

 

[scrabble]

*****Removed pic - Not Appropriate for ECF

 

[hashtag]

 

[classwife]

You are using a term that is specifically referencing "stuff" that is not to be mentioned on this forum

We do not want ECF coming up on google searches in connection to this in any way, shape or form

 

[Amraann]

Are there any legit studies that show a lower or equal success rate to nic patch, gum etc...? I see that thrown around a lot in the propaganda but it just doesn't seem right. I know my real world sample size is small but I don't know anyone who has quit smoking and stayed quit using approved cessation products. I know quite a few who have quit through vaping and a couple who have quit cold turkey. It just doesn't seem like a valid claim, of the 20 or so people I know who quit smoking for vaping only 2-3 have gone back to smoking (to be fair that doesn't include the people who tried vaping for a week and never really quit smoking)

Not really because vaping is not considered a smoking cessation product. If vape co's claimedthat then they would require FDA approval and testing like gum and patches etc.

 

[nicnik]

Removed quote

You said. "Nobody quit smoking, they just switched to vaping." Your responses are as though you had said "Nobody quit (edited)". Bait and switch.

 

[Cullin Kin]

Lord what did you guys do to this thread?!?! It looks like a mess now. Lol 4 deleted comments...

@jaytex1969 I will do that first thing Monday. I can't wait to tell them that email is about as wrong as it comes.

 

[classwife]

Forum Rules | E-Cigarette Forum
b. Posting photos or pictures that some may find offensive or unacceptable is not permitted. Naked or semi-naked pictures of people are not permitted. As matters of taste cannot have a hard definition, Moderators will determine what is or is not acceptable - if you are unsure, then do not post the material.

15. Freedom of speech
Your contribution to this forum is not a right but a privilege. As this is a private website there is no public right to freedom of speech. The rules we have in place are to protect the site, and to provide a convivial environment for our Members. In short: we decide what is permissible or not permissible.

Why we don't allow drug talk | E-Cigarette Forum

11. Trolling ('fishing expeditions' in search of a strong reaction)
Trolling includes but is not restricted to:
Deliberately posting something which is against our forum rules.
Posting repeated criticism of Moderators or their moderation activities.

 

[classwife]

Sorry for the mess y'all...some people just don't get it

 

[Amraann]

"Nobody quit smoking, they just switched to vaping" Is a comment I totally disagree with.

Vaping is not smoking. At ALL.

How is it not quiting smoking if one no longer smokes? It should not be that difficult to understand.
I am sorry but IMO it is wrong to say nobody quit anything.. When in fact they did quit smoking.
Mimicing somethng is not the same as doing the actual act. That is like saying drinkking a soda is the same as drinking a beer. Just because the two acts minic the same physical actions in no way means the results of said acts are the same.