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Build 3c made it 72 hours without a single tweak! It was a little harsher than my gennys, but not in a bad way, I rather liked it. Kind of like inhaling cigars vs cigarettes.
Tore it down tonight to experiment with Renee 41 wire. Heard some good things about it and decided to give it a try. It is rather springy stuff so you need to use some tension when making your coil, consequently it doesnt lend itself to AO wicks.
I built a simple jig for it. Lock down one end of the wire under the screw, then stick a #49 drill bit in the hole and wrap your coil.
Grabbed the loose end of wire with a pair of channel-locks and was able to get plenty of tension when wrapping the coil.
10 wraps and done....
Did the squeeze the coil in some tweezers and torch routine, and installed. Didnt like how it loosened up at the top so I took it back out and retorched it after taking this photo. Only this time I torched AND quenched three times. The curvature of the leads held their place perfectly, they snapped back in like a glove.
Wrapped some raw fiber around the coil, threaded it through the negative lead loop to get a good wrap.
Filled up the cavity with my cut and saturated fiber. Used a syringe to pull out the excess PG when it got too messy. Was able to fill all the nooks and crannys very precisely.
Russian 91% Build 4
Vertical Nano Coil, R41 wire, Hemp packing.
27g R41, 10 wraps around a #49 drill bit, 1.2 ohms.
Dry burned the coil before wrapping it in fiber and it glowed even from the middle out.
This coil is like a tank, it will stand up to many wrappings, might have to use a cutting torch to destroy it. You wont bend it by accident, thats for sure!
I burned most of the PG out of the fiber while test firing with the cap off, so I had to prime it once to get it going.
It is hitting strong now with no flooding or dry hits, still a turbo vape but the harshness is pretty much gone. Must have been a difference in the way I packed it vs build 3c. I suspect it was because I was much more careful to get several wraps UNDER the negative coil loop. I guess it could be the wire but I doubt it. I think the main advantage of the wire is the lower resistance and the tank like durability.
Build 3c made it 72 hours without a single tweak! It was a little harsher than my gennys, but not in a bad way, I rather liked it. Kind of like inhaling cigars vs cigarettes.
Tore it down tonight to experiment with Renee 41 wire. Heard some good things about it and decided to give it a try. It is rather springy stuff so you need to use some tension when making your coil, consequently it doesnt lend itself to AO wicks.
I built a simple jig for it. Lock down one end of the wire under the screw, then stick a #49 drill bit in the hole and wrap your coil.
Grabbed the loose end of wire with a pair of channel-locks and was able to get plenty of tension when wrapping the coil.
10 wraps and done....
Did the squeeze the coil in some tweezers and torch routine, and installed. Didnt like how it loosened up at the top so I took it back out and retorched it after taking this photo. Only this time I torched AND quenched three times. The curvature of the leads held their place perfectly, they snapped back in like a glove.
Wrapped some raw fiber around the coil, threaded it through the negative lead loop to get a good wrap.
Filled up the cavity with my cut and saturated fiber. Used a syringe to pull out the excess PG when it got too messy. Was able to fill all the nooks and crannys very precisely.
Russian 91% Build 4
Vertical Nano Coil, R41 wire, Hemp packing.
27g R41, 10 wraps around a #49 drill bit, 1.2 ohms.
Dry burned the coil before wrapping it in fiber and it glowed even from the middle out.
This coil is like a tank, it will stand up to many wrappings, might have to use a cutting torch to destroy it. You wont bend it by accident, thats for sure!
I burned most of the PG out of the fiber while test firing with the cap off, so I had to prime it once to get it going.
It is hitting strong now with no flooding or dry hits, still a turbo vape but the harshness is pretty much gone. Must have been a difference in the way I packed it vs build 3c. I suspect it was because I was much more careful to get several wraps UNDER the negative coil loop. I guess it could be the wire but I doubt it. I think the main advantage of the wire is the lower resistance and the tank like durability.
My original Rocket setup still going strong after many weeks. This is the 6th dryburn,
This was my first it is on its 6th dryburn. Here is what I replace after a week.
Dry burn.
New hemp around coil.
New packing
Repacked and testing.
My R41 coils look kinda like your R41 coils... save mine are a bit larger in diameter at #43.
I'd have to agree with ya' Mike, these (R41) coils may last clean through into 2014 without so much as a increase in resistance. OK... maybe a little increase.
I've already ordered another 20 ft to supplement the meager 2 ft I had left from my foam cutter. God only knows how long 20 ft will last. 2015 perhaps?
Looking forward to playing with hemp fiber, ni foam and R41, in Kayfuns, Rockets and R91s... all at the same time. ;-)
Ok..so MikeP got me thinking on using an oxidation process to clean the hemp fiber material a step further. I used a slightly different method and the results are significantly better vs the boil only method. I been comparing wicks in a couple of different attys with the new method and I am getting much less woodyness. I used a peppermint juice which is very sensitive to the hemp and was mixing the hemp with cotton to brighten up the vape and tone down the woodyness. I now use 100% hemp.
Here is what I did.
5 minute boil, rinse, boil, rinse, boil rinse. I then ran the hemp clump under a hot water stream. Then off to the microwave for a quick dry. I put the hemp in a shallow small plastic container and soaked with Hydogen Peroxide to the brim. Then I poured in the Baking Soda and swirled. I let the foam build and pour up and over the top into a sink and then pour a bit more peroxide into the center to let more of the liquid mix flow over the rim. I then rinsed well under hot water and threw it in for another boil and rinse and then off to the microwave to dry. This time it dryed into a tigher clump, so I had to pick through it and make it fluffy. Nice!
It compares well to ceramic in taste. I can still tell its hemp vs cotton, but its mainly that I can taste the cotton's cottony taste now.
Here is what I did.
5 minute boil, rinse, boil, rinse, boil rinse. I then ran the hemp clump under a hot water stream. Then off to the microwave for a quick dry. I put the hemp in a shallow small plastic container and soaked with Hydogen Peroxide to the brim. Then I poured in the Baking Soda and swirled. I let the foam build and pour up and over the top into a sink and then pour a bit more peroxide into the center to let more of the liquid mix flow over the rim. I then rinsed well under hot water and threw it in for another boil and rinse and then off to the microwave to dry. This time it dryed into a tigher clump, so I had to pick through it and make it fluffy. Nice!
It compares well to ceramic in taste. I can still tell its hemp vs cotton, but its mainly that I can taste the cotton's cottony taste now.
Cool, but I still think washing it first in detergent is important. If there is any strange organic material in the hemp, boiling it may just cook that material into the hemp and not remove it.
Cool, but I still think washing it first in detergent is important. If there is any strange organic material in the hemp, boiling it may just cook that material into the hemp and not remove it.
Oxyclean has the oxidation agent and detergent. Worked well for me anyway.
Finally got around to rebuilding my mini nova with the 2mm hemp twine, washed it then boiled it for 30min changed the water the reboiled for another 30min, dried the rebuilt the head using 2 strands and 4 wraps of 0.18mm resistance wire.
I don't know if its just me as I'm new to this but it seems so much better, i put my lemon menthol (70/30) in the tank and wow the flavors stronger, I have to slow down or it becomes to much lol, not had any of the woody taste mentioned here either so all is good.
Now curious how this will play in my T3S and EVOD, never had much luck with BCC, gurgling issues mainly prefer me mini nova.
Cool, but I still think washing it first in detergent is important. If there is any strange organic material in the hemp, boiling it may just cook that material into the hemp and not remove it.
I read gdeal's peroxide method, and thought, hang on a minute, wasn't avoiding chemicals why I started looking at hemp?
Anyway my first test batch was a boil, rinse, boil,rinse , boil, rinse squeeze and dries out on a piece of baking paper over the top of a lamp shade running a 17 watt spiral flouro bulb. Result: very woody indeed, not pleasant and very disorienting
Second and current batch boiled first with Earth green tea and lime Eco dish washing liquid (2 drops in a 1cup mini stove pot)
Then rinse, boil, rinse, boil, rinse, squeeze and dries on the lamp as above after pulling appart into small clumps.
Result: Great!! No hemp taste at all, my old ADV that sucked with cotton now back in my rotation due to the lack of cottony undertone that despite being subtle and unoticable in other juices killed my VK Royal Blend.
I'm still sussing out wick density, as I have to fluff up the boiled and dried hemp, and havnt got a consistant method yet, but it's running sweet first try, just think I may be able to improve vapes between squanks in the Reo with a little finessing.
Baking soda is a great odor killer, but I'm not sure I want to introduce the peroxide when I am getting clean taste without its use.
I read gdeal's peroxide method, and thought, hang on a minute, wasn't avoiding chemicals why I started looking at hemp?
Anyway my first test batch was a boil, rinse, boil,rinse , boil, rinse squeeze and dries out on a piece of baking paper over the top of a lamp shade running a 17 watt spiral flouro bulb. Result: very woody indeed, not pleasant and very disorienting
Second and current batch boiled first with Earth green tea and lime Eco dish washing liquid (2 drops in a 1cup mini stove pot)
Then rinse, boil, rinse, boil, rinse, squeeze and dries on the lamp as above after pulling appart into small clumps.
Result: Great!! No hemp taste at all, my old ADV that sucked with cotton now back in my rotation due to the lack of cottony undertone that despite being subtle and unoticable in other juices killed my VK Royal Blend.
I'm still sussing out wick density, as I have to fluff up the boiled and dried hemp, and havnt got a consistant method yet, but it's running sweet first try, just think I may be able to improve vapes between squanks in the Reo with a little finessing.
Baking soda is a great odor killer, but I'm not sure I want to introduce the peroxide when I am getting clean taste without its use.
I had the same concern about use of chemicals. But I would say that using household peroxide and baking soda is as safe as using a widely available whitening toothpastes with the same ingredients. My concern with oxiclean (very similar) and detergents is more due to fragrances they use which could impart an additional taste/smell to the hemp. But then again green tea and lime sounds like it could compliment a couple of juice types.
I had the same concern about use of chemicals. But I would say that using household peroxide and baking soda is as safe as using a widely available whitening toothpastes with the same ingredients. My concern with oxiclean (very similar) and detergents is more due to fragrances they use which could impart an additional taste/smell to the hemp. But then again green tea and lime sounds like it could compliment a couple of juice types.
The 'Earth' brand here in Oz doesn't seem to impart any odour or flavor after rinsing and due to this I use it to clean out stubborn new atty odour, but I'm not sure whether the 'household' peroxide sold here is reliable in any way or not, I take your point about the tooth paste, but they also add fluoride, and eating a tube of toothpaste can kill you LOL
But George, what I'd like to ask you is how are you getting on with the wick density vs cotton wool? Do you find it expands more or less and do you find it is easier to overstuff the coil leading to a woody taste however much you cleanse it?
Have you found a way to keep it fluffy throughout cleaning without microwaving to dry? And other assorted finessing advice would be very welcome
I just washed mine between my fingers under a faucet pouring liquid detergent directly on it several times. I could see brownish suds forming. When all the suds seemed white I rinsed well put it in a sock bag and threw it in the clothes washer with some sheets that were being washed.
After I washed it and boiled it it looked like this.
I then dried it even more patting between paper towel. I pulled it and fluffed it a little before putting it in a sock bag and throwing it in the dryer with other clothes that were almost dry. I think if I had thrown it in wet with other wet clothes or alone it would not have fluffed as much.
lol....this stuff is going to be clean!!! by the time I'm done with it
This is my first batch (a lot of hemp) that was washed in the washing machine, rinsed and boiled for 30 minutes 4 times, and the dried in the dryer.
I started off this morning boiling it for 10 minutes, then rinsed and gave it the gdeal HP&BS treatment, Then rinsed really well with hot water and boiled for 20 minutes, then rinsed and put it a bowl of oxy clean to soak for the day
Tonight I'm going rinse well and boil for 30 minutes, rinse, another HP&BS treatment, rinse, boil for 30 minutes, rinse, boil for 30 minutes, rinse, boil for 30 minutes.
I have been working it with a fork when I'm rinsing and it seems to be helping with the large clumps. Once I'm finished washing and boiling I'm going to comb it into as fine of strands as I can, hopefully removing the majority of the knots and either air dry on a wire rack or in a convection over until its getting fairly dry and then comb a portion and try the dryer to see if it will fluff up and not get matted and clumpy. If it does I will just let dry and then fluff with a comb.
I think smaller batches would be much easier to deal with and probably not tend to clump together as much.
This is my first batch (a lot of hemp) that was washed in the washing machine, rinsed and boiled for 30 minutes 4 times, and the dried in the dryer.
I started off this morning boiling it for 10 minutes, then rinsed and gave it the gdeal HP&BS treatment, Then rinsed really well with hot water and boiled for 20 minutes, then rinsed and put it a bowl of oxy clean to soak for the day
Tonight I'm going rinse well and boil for 30 minutes, rinse, another HP&BS treatment, rinse, boil for 30 minutes, rinse, boil for 30 minutes, rinse, boil for 30 minutes.
I have been working it with a fork when I'm rinsing and it seems to be helping with the large clumps. Once I'm finished washing and boiling I'm going to comb it into as fine of strands as I can, hopefully removing the majority of the knots and either air dry on a wire rack or in a convection over until its getting fairly dry and then comb a portion and try the dryer to see if it will fluff up and not get matted and clumpy. If it does I will just let dry and then fluff with a comb.
I think smaller batches would be much easier to deal with and probably not tend to clump together as much.
The 'Earth' brand here in Oz doesn't seem to impart any odour or flavor after rinsing and due to this I use it to clean out stubborn new atty odour, but I'm not sure whether the 'household' peroxide sold here is reliable in any way or not, I take your point about the tooth paste, but they also add fluoride, and eating a tube of toothpaste can kill you LOL
But George, what I'd like to ask you is how are you getting on with the wick density vs cotton wool? Do you find it expands more or less and do you find it is easier to overstuff the coil leading to a woody taste however much you cleanse it?
Have you found a way to keep it fluffy throughout cleaning without microwaving to dry? And other assorted finessing advice would be very welcome
I was just joking about the extra flavor. I used dish detergent (Dawn) to wash all my hardware. I used it to clean SS mesh etc.
Depends upon how you twist, but I find that I use slightly less hemp works better. Here is quick comparison. When I am forming a hemp wick I pull fibers away from the bunch trying to get the fibers as parallel as possible. I size the hemp so that there is no resistance, but it fills the hole. I got more woodyness when overstuffed.
Not scientific.....
About the same amount of material dry? Hemp not twisted that tight (second look...seems like a bit more there with the cotton):
with 5 drops of ejuice:
With 10 drops of ejuice.
Seems like the hemp didnt absorb as much,but it could just be the amount of material I used ..IDK. What I do notice is that cotton gets goopy and the hemp maintains its structure. But the real test is wicking and I think BJ already showed that Hemp wicks faster.
My first batch came our fairly fluff, but my second batch was a bit clumpy. I am working with small batches so I just took tweezers and pulled away fibers. I am sure there is a better combing technique or device that could do this out there.
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Hemp rope, twine, cord, cloth, and fiber are all legal to buy and have been used for many years in many ways.
i just used forks and treated the washed/boiled/rinsed/fiber like it was pulled pork to *fluff* it back up a bit and to help in the drying.
i think i *processed* too much at one time. :-/ IF i ever have to go thru that again, it will be 1/2 a handful rather than 2 handfuls of the raw fiber.
Thought i should share... i bought a pet brush at the store that looks almost just like a carding brush and works wonders for fluffing the fiber after washing... I kinda wish i had bought two, but it still works with one.
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