JUUL dancing with the devil.....*

[Sugar_and_Spice]

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juul Said It Would Disrupt Big tobacco. They May Join Forces Instead

Juul Said It Would Disrupt Big Tobacco. They May Join Forces Instead

 

[Fredman1]

If they do join BT, it won't be long before addictive additives will be added to the liquid. That's the way BT broadens their customer base. They can't function any other way. That'll just lead to a more negative view of the vaping industry.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is an independent federal agency whose duty is to protect consumers from harmful or dangerous products sold in the United States. The CPSC works to guard the public from products that pose a fire, electrical, chemical or mechanical hazard or can injure children.

 

[CarolT]

Those morally depraved anti-smoker slimebags have waged the most unscrupulous propaganda war of cultural genocide in US history. Everything they've told us about the tobacco companies is a lie. The anti-smokers have controlled the tobacco companies for decades. Their acquisitions are just extension of anti-smoker control, just as they created Philip Morris and its successor, Altria, in the first place.
The "Power Elite" Controls Both Sides

And they control the mass media so that nobody is allowed to point out the anti-smokers' scientific fraud of falsely blaming smoking for diseases caused by infection. Zero, zip, zilch, absolutely no mention ever, anywhere. It's proof of media conspiracy.

 

[WorksForMe]

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is an independent federal agency whose duty is to protect consumers from harmful or dangerous products sold in the United States. The CPSC works to guard the public from products that pose a fire, electrical, chemical or mechanical hazard or can injure children.

I'm curious why you posted this. Do you think CPSC will try to block a deal between Juul and Altria?


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[WorksForMe]

If they do join BT, it won't be long before addictive additives will be added to the liquid. That's the way BT broadens their customer base. They can't function any other way. That'll just lead to a more negative view of the vaping industry.

I doubt that will happen. Assuming Juul has given the FDA a list of ingredients, it will be hard to legally alter them.


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[sofarsogood]

Business is business. The tobacco company approached Juul, not the other way around. There is some price where the early investors will sell. That's why they invest. One possible good reason for Juul to have a very large corporate investor is easier access to cash to pass the FDA pre-market requirements and the early investors get a pay back even if Juul is not approved.

I started smoking as a kid, of course. I blame government for that, not tobacco companies. If there are no tobacco taxes on ecigs tobacco companies might make larger gross profits on smaller sales than they make on selling larger amounts of heavily taxed cigarettes. I have no problem with that even though I don't anticipate using their products. It wouldn't be all bad for tobacco companies and vapers to have some common objectives.

A trend I'm only noticing recently, because I've been focused on other things, is the popularity of pod systems. Several stores I've visited say they intend to phase out the hobby vape stuff and focus on pods (which doesn't change my life since I buy everything online). I'd get a pod to see what all the fuss is about but there are too many to choose from and I don't know what to get.

 

[Fredman1]

I doubt that will happen. Assuming Juul has given the FDA a list of ingredients, it will be hard to legally alter them.

True for now it won't, but down the line is what i'm concerned about. One step at a time...

 

[Cool_Breeze]

@WorksForMe - "I'm curious why you posted this. Do you think CPSC will try to block a deal between Juul and Altria?" (had trouble inserting quotes in the usual way)

Of the differing regulatory schemes bandied about at various times, I think the CPSC model, or something similar is the better way to keep "addictive addatives" and other out of e-cigs.

 

[stols001]

I think it's not a bad move given the heat it's been getting. I mean,, cigarettes aren't being attacked, quite yet, so IDK. Getting in with BT has to have its perks, etc. They will have access to the lobbyists etc.

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[WorksForMe]

Of the differing regulatory schemes bandied about at various times, I think the CPSC model, or something similar is the better way to keep "addictive addatives" and other out of e-cigs.

It would be great to see the government treat vapor products like any other consumer product, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.


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[Cool_Breeze]

It would be great to see the government treat vapor products like any other consumer product, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.


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If you think that is a good idea, then support it. Don't dismiss it because of what others are or aren't doing. Support of the notion will do more for it than walking away from it.

 

[dripster]

I'd get a pod to see what all the fuss is about but there are too many to choose from and I don't know what to get.

If I were forced to get one, right now it would be the Lost Vape Orion DNA Go. That is, despite the relatively high price tag (for a pod system), which actually I don't think is overpriced or anything like that, but still I can see how that could be an added obstacle to some, so, if it must be kept within the lower price bracket, then I would go for the Innokin EQ, but I should add that I'm a high wattage vaper who builds his own advanced coil builds on a multitude of mech mods of various types and sizes and I'm not forced in any way to get a pod system, and that also explains why I don't own one.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Over the turkey holiday while I was visiting with family in another state, I happened to go into a convenience store and the JUUL posters were everywhere, on the door entrances and inside the store. So I bought one to see what the hype is all about. It is gawd awful. Very little vapor and you really have to suck on that thing to get a hit. Flavoring just about make me upchuck(mango). Yes, it does give you a head rush because of the strength of nicotine but honestly, if I were still a smoker, this would never get me off of cigarettes. I just would not use it because of the previously mentioned reasons. Reminded me of when the industry first started out with those little cig-a-likes and how awful they were/are.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm curious why you posted this. Do you think CPSC will try to block a deal between Juul and Altria?


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I could be wrong. But I don't believe that the CPSC has the Authority to block Altria buying a minority share in JUUL. Or anyone buying into Anyone else for that matter.

 

[zoiDman]

If they do join BT, it won't be long before addictive additives will be added to the liquid. That's the way BT broadens their customer base. They can't function any other way. That'll just lead to a more negative view of the vaping industry.

How, exactly, would BT go about doing this?

Seeing that No New Tobacco Products or Changed Tobacco Products are supposed to be entering the market since Aug 8th, 2016.

 

[Fredman1]

How, exactly, would BT go about doing this?

How exactly I won't know, but that would be a good challenge to BT I suppose. With the right amount of money and getting to the right people in the right places they can do the same miracles, as they're doing now. I mean they are the world's biggest organised drug supplier, and they're getting away with it for centuries now. I personally won't put anything past them.
Bottom line for me is...I don't know. I just won't ever trust ANYTHING EVER AGAIN, that they have a hand in...!

 

[zoiDman]

How exactly I won't know, but that would be a good challenge to BT I suppose. With the right amount of money and getting to the right people in the right places they can do the same miracles, as they're doing now. I mean they are the world's biggest organised drug supplier, and they're getting away with it for centuries now. I personally won't put anything past them.
Bottom line for me is...I don't know. I just won't ever trust ANYTHING that they have a hand in...!

Don't get me wrong. I have No Love for BT. Or what BT has done in previous generations.

But I think the days of BT Pulling a Fast One over on the FDA are pretty much over.

Because, believe it or Not, that was one of the Primary purposes of FSPTCA. To give the FDA Complete control over Tobacco Products.

 

[sofarsogood]

How exactly I won't know, but that would be a good challenge to BT I suppose. With the right amount of money and getting to the right people in the right places they can do the same miracles, as they're doing now. I mean they are the world's biggest organised drug supplier, and they're getting away with it for centuries now. I personally won't put anything past them.
Bottom line for me is...I don't know. I just won't ever trust ANYTHING that they have a hand in...!

Various taxes combined take more of the money from cigarette sales than the profits of growers, manufacturers, distributors, etc. The bad actor is the government, more addicted to taking money from poor people and kids than smokers are to cigarettes. If there were no taxes on cigarettes everybody would love ecigs. Corrupt government is the root of the problem, not tobacco companies.

In the mean time, I mix and rebuild and have no use for Juuls. An original Pico with a short rda is as stealthy as I need to be. Today I took a puff or two standing in the checkout line at Walmart and nobody noticed.

 

[Fredman1]

But I think the days of BT Pulling a Fast One over on the FDA are pretty much over.

I really do hope so. I just despise them with a passion. In saying that i'm ashamed at myself for tagging along with them for soooo long.
Interesting...the last few months when I still smoked, I used to buy a brand made in Germany by a private company....can't remember the name now. On the packet it had the absolute guarantee that it contains only tobacco and no additives.
I tasted it bit like grass and died quickly when you put it down, but at least it's a true representation of the tobacco plant....
Anyway qoint is, if BT stayed true, I probably still would've supported them.

Corrupt government is the root of the problem, not tobacco companies.

Agreed, but the problem I have with the tobacco companies, is they are the ones adding the poisons that kills and addicts their customers.