K... Writing a short article about VAPING for a NON-Vaping audience... any suggestions?

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I am w/o a doubt upsidedown at this point. I've said it b4 and I'll say it again. You cant put a price on the value of this hobby(if you will). I am by no means well off, however that is a matter of opinion as I will grow old to see my kids have kids and so forth. So $ is irrelevant, IMHO.
 

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I think you would be well served by discussing the vast variety of flavors available for vaping pleasure. I think people unfamiliar with vaping have no idea that you can vape flavors other than tobacco. I'm always able to pique interests when I talk about vaping things French toast, banana nut bread, baked apple pie, peach tea or hot buttered rum. Cinnamons, citrus, chewing gums, cookies, candy and coffees... This aspect of vaping is sure to please, and, I think, be especially appealing to women. I'd also talk about the joy of shopping for and sampling different flavors, and the sheer bliss of identifying a particularly satifying juice after some hit and miss searching. Talking about this, and how fun vaping can be as a hobby besides just being a nicotine fix is all good stuff.
 

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I am w/o a doubt upsidedown at this point. I've said it b4 and I'll say it again. You cant put a price on the value of this hobby(if you will). I am by no means well off, however that is a matter of opinion as I will grow old to see my kids have kids and so forth. So $ is irrelevant, IMHO.

Yeah, that part is still paramount. At least for me it hasn't reached any kind of hobbiest stage, so I'm about to break even from my spending in the month of May compared to what I haven't spent on cigarettes.
 

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Yeah, I'm with you 100% on the flavor thing... that's always a huge interest sparker, especially considering a primarily female audience, many of whom are often denying themselves the flavors they enjoy due to calorie issues. I'm definitely going 'light' with this. We don't have the audience for a piece that delves into all of the political issues ect, so will just touch on that lightly in the realm of 'lots of negative press re vaping and here's why' sort of a way. General effort to counteract any exploding pv stories or negative legislation they may be aware of. I'm also showing off the pretty 'artisan' side of vaping, since a) we are dealing with primarily women, and all of the membership are beauty in art lovers b) we tend to love anything artisan crafted. Already spoken to moorea of Phiniac tanks, and we're talking about including some photos of their handblown, marquetry 'phineers' crafted out of wood, and sandblasted 'godessy' sort of zodiac tanks. I have a few handpainted or skinned and painted units of my own that I'll show off. The customizing aspect will go over huge. But this will generally be a 'tied to cigarettes, know its harming you and your family, and desperately looking for a way out without gnawing your arm off w cravings' sort of a thing. rofl More about all of the rituals and experiences that you get to maintain, and even improve upon with vaping as opposed to smoking/tobacco products. And I also never refer to vaping as zero health risks. We just don't have any truly longterm data to draw on.. but at the very least, its a vast measure of harm reduction, which is huge. ;) Thank you all for your help!
 

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I hope you'll be able to post what you write when it's done! BTW, when I asked why you "had to write" about vaping I was just curious whether it was a scholastic thing or what the focus was, sorry if that sounded terse.

Anyhoo, as well as the customising aspect, I'd also point out that it's quite possible to be a contented vaper with a decent PV (KGO in my case) and never really want to take it to another level. Like Hawkeye, I think that despite being quite extravagant trying juices and the initial cost of two KGO kits, this is turning out cheaper than smoking for me. Not that the cost issue was a driving force; like almost everyone here I am doing it for health reasons. :) Also I haven't gained an ounce. Bonus! :D
 

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I hope you'll be able to post what you write when it's done! BTW, when I asked why you "had to write" about vaping I was just curious whether it was a scholastic thing or what the focus was, sorry if that sounded terse.

Anyhoo, as well as the customising aspect, I'd also point out that it's quite possible to be a contented vaper with a decent PV (KGO in my case) and never really want to take it to another level. Like Hawkeye, I think that despite being quite extravagant trying juices and the initial cost of two KGO kits, this is turning out cheaper than smoking for me. Not that the cost issue was a driving force; like almost everyone here I am doing it for health reasons. :) Also I haven't gained an ounce. Bonus! :D

Heath was my number one reason for sure. But the fiscal aspect was really what "pushed me over the edge" as it were. I've got one lack luster 808D kit that I don't touch, but got a good price on so no biggy. An eGo-C kit, and I will probably invest in a couple of eGo Twists. I do eventually want a GLV-2, but I won't rush that. But they're so pretty :)
 

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rofl.. cracking up that someone else wants a glv2 cause they're so pretty. Yeah, I was DETERMINED that would be my first mod, but turns out I like vaping like 4.4-4.5 volts a lot better than 5v. The twists will give you a good idea if that's the case. And I'm very happy with my vv mods now. And yeah, I'll give ya'll a link to download the free zine if you like when its done. ;)

The have to thing didn't come out terse at all. lol I figured that was what you meant. Its definitely a volunteer basis, though. I just help out sometimes with the zine that my friend E keeps for friend H's digital art site. ;) Vaping is sweeping thru our membership a bit, and we do seem to have quite a few closet smokers, so more an information dissemination thing... 'this is available to you if you think it sounds intriguing' thing. Now we've got a mini vaping forum there, so those of us doing it for a while can provide support on a much more one on one basis than we could with something like ECF. So for all those reasons, E thought it would make a nice article. Told her if we had someone actively working with a forum or something w successful weight loss, we could make it a whole 'wellness' issue. And yeah, I'm like you... didn't pack on the lbs with vaping, and I have with every other method of quitting. In fact, when I started vaping dessert flavors, I actually lost 7lbs. lol Bonus!
 

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After 37 years of smoking and elebenty-bwillion failed attempts to quit, I got a lung cancer scare (false alarm, thankfully) a few months ago that gave me the kick in the keister to try quitting, again, but this time using e-cigs.

I spent $50-60 a week on smokes; I was a heavy smoker. A KGO with some juice and cartos is under $50.00 if you shop wisely. I've spent about $300 on juice and various cartos over the last three months...but I have two kits that will last me several more months in battery use, a stockpile of juice in a drawer that will last a long time. PLUS I turned my neighbor onto vaping; he doesn't have much money but gave me $50 and I unload all my unwanted juices to him. He is not fussy. So I am totally ahead of the game at this point! I haven't even quit completely yet...but have gone from 50-60 hand-rolled smokes per day to zero to maybe five, depending on the day and how many smokers I'm around. I consider this huge harm-reduction, which was my initial goal anyway.

I may try a LavaTube or one of the "cheaper" VV PVs at one point to see if the hype is really all that.
 

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orachel, sweet...the link would be cool when you're done!

Someone posted in the New Members forum not too far back that he was starting to vape but had never smoked...but hoped it would help him lose weight (I believe he had diabetes.) Knowing what a killer diabetes can be - I have a close friend who is now on 100% disability and probably won't make it to 60 because of a lifetime of being overweight with diabetes and all the complications - vaping as a weight-loss method isn't too out of line considering the societal harm from obesity.
 

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Ohh gosh, no it isn't. Especially if you're a diabetic with a killer sweet tooth. I don't have any issues with non smokers vaping 0nic juices as a stress reducer, either. I hope your friend does ok with it!

And bodrell... congrats on your near miss! That is a serious eye opener, all right. Great story! BTW, I'm a HUGE fan of the lavatubes. I'd say wait a month, get a chrome one with the V3 internals (they're supposedly out now, but that's inaccurate info passed on by manufacturers... you want the LRIDER chrome V3 tube.. expected out in august, I think. If you decide you want one before that, just pm me or hunt me down. I'm pretty well up on which vendors have the best tube (with independent testing from people I trust, not manufacturers specs) at any given time. I have a v1 internals tube in steel from apollo. I love it, but i'd love it a lot more with the new version internals. Really will be comparable to provari in terms of voltage range, amp limitation, etc. Provari is just always going to be that slightest bit more accurate and of course build quality is better. But I can assure you, if you're using something like an ego now... no comparison, even to the v1 internals tube. Really is worth the investment, especially since they're so inexpensive, compared to other comparable VV units. I'm also fond of the V8 (aka Ovale aka Gripper) that can be had at discountvapers for $50 kit.. that's a good deal as well, but by the time you buy extra set of 18350 batteries, cost is pretty comparable to the LT, and the LT is superior in a few ways. ;) Anyway, if you ever get overwhelmed with all the lavatube options out there, feel free to yell out.
 

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rofl.. cracking up that someone else wants a glv2 cause they're so pretty. Yeah, I was DETERMINED that would be my first mod, but turns out I like vaping like 4.4-4.5 volts a lot better than 5v. The twists will give you a good idea if that's the case. And I'm very happy with my vv mods now. And yeah, I'll give ya'll a link to download the free zine if you like when its done. ;)

Well, its more about the available color combinations making it pretty I guess is a better way to word it? I plan to play around in Gimp one evening to see if I can actually make one look like what it will look like in the combos I am considering. But yeah, Twist is next on my list.
 

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Oh that should be easy enough to do, just drag the image with the color swatch you like over the extracted GLV2 and use a clipping mask, and it'll look almost identical to how it'll look in real life. I don't know how adept you are with gimp, but would be a 15 min thing in photoshop, so feel free to yell out if you're a beginner and get stuck. That's pretty much exactly how I figured out what I wanted, but then someone talked me into a cheap vv box first, just to find my 'sweet spot' and I realized a 5v mod wasn't at all for me. Hoping you love yours, though! I know a lot of very happy glv owners. ;)
 

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Ohh gosh, no it isn't. Especially if you're a diabetic with a killer sweet tooth. I don't have any issues with non smokers vaping 0nic juices as a stress reducer, either. I hope your friend does ok with it!

And bodrell... congrats on your near miss! That is a serious eye opener, all right. Great story! BTW, I'm a HUGE fan of the lavatubes. I'd say wait a month, get a chrome one with the V3 internals (they're supposedly out now, but that's inaccurate info passed on by manufacturers... you want the LRIDER chrome V3 tube.. expected out in august, I think. If you decide you want one before that, just pm me or hunt me down. I'm pretty well up on which vendors have the best tube (with independent testing from people I trust, not manufacturers specs) at any given time. I have a v1 internals tube in steel from apollo. I love it, but i'd love it a lot more with the new version internals. Really will be comparable to provari in terms of voltage range, amp limitation, etc. Provari is just always going to be that slightest bit more accurate and of course build quality is better. But I can assure you, if you're using something like an ego now... no comparison, even to the v1 internals tube. Really is worth the investment, especially since they're so inexpensive, compared to other comparable VV units. I'm also fond of the V8 (aka Ovale aka Gripper) that can be had at discountvapers for $50 kit.. that's a good deal as well, but by the time you buy extra set of 18350 batteries, cost is pretty comparable to the LT, and the LT is superior in a few ways. ;) Anyway, if you ever get overwhelmed with all the lavatube options out there, feel free to yell out.

Thanks for that! Every now and again I look at VV PVs and wonder if getting one will make me happier, richer, a better person, a cooler vaper or a more committed non-smoker. LOL, can never come up with a good answer for myself.
My non-smoking father died at 64, my smoking mother is healthy as a horse at 80 (well ,in July she will be 80) and still hikes and runs a business and apparently I have her genes; I never get sick, seriously. Not even colds. But a radiologist calling you wanting more views of your lungs after a routine xray...well as a long-time smoker that is kinda terrifying. I must say I feel better as a mostly-non-smoker!
 

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I'm late to the DEG and PG discussion on antifreeze and I cringe when people mention anti-freeze and ecigs in the same sentence. DEG was found in trace amounts from a contaminated source drum for PG in the Ruyan tests, I believe.

Propylene Glycol IS in some anti-freezes. It's also in ice cream, toothpaste, salad dressing, soft drinks, snowball juice, and many, many other products we buy. It's there because its safe to consume and it thickens up the consistency of these and many more products we consume daily. I've been a product label reader for many years. It's interesting how many labels include PG in the ingredients.

The most interesting story about PG in antifreeze is the one about dogs licking up ethylene glycol because it has a sweet taste. It's also deadly to consume. Many dog deaths were traced back to DEG or EG (don't ask me how). DEG/EG would commonly be found on concave surfaces such as hubcaps in a garage or junkyard where antifreeze leaked from automobiles or was drained prior to replacement of cooling system parts. PG was substituted in some anti-freezes, especially the ones used in cooling systems for restaurants where DEG and EG didn't need to be for safety's sake.

More information here:
Antifreeze - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[h=3]Ethylene glycol[/h]
Ethylene glycol


Ethylene glycol solutions became available in 1926 and were marketed as "permanent antifreeze" since the higher boiling points provided advantages for summertime use as well as during cold weather. They are used today for a variety of applications, including automobiles, but gradually being replaced by propylene glycol due to its lower toxicity.



Propylene glycol

Propylene glycol, on the other hand, is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol and may be labeled as "non-toxic antifreeze". It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be possible. As confirmation of its relative non-toxicity, the FDA allows propylene glycol to be added to a large number of processed foods, including ice cream, frozen custard, and baked goods.

Propylene glycol oxidizes when exposed to air and heat, forming lactic acid.[8][9] If not properly inhibited, this fluid can be very corrosive,[citation needed] so pH buffering agents are often added to propylene glycol, to prevent acidic corrosion of metal components.

Besides cooling system corrosion, biological fouling also occurs. Once bacterial slime starts to grow, the corrosion rate of the system increases. Maintenance of systems using glycol solution includes regular monitoring of freeze protection, pH, specific gravity, inhibitor level, color, and biological contamination. Propylene glycol should be replaced when it turns a reddish color.

If you got this far and want to read up on DEG, check out this article. It covers DEG scares in all sorts of consumer products. Remember the cheap toothpaste scare of 2007? It was DEG contamination. It's been found all over the world listed in ingredients, including imported wine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylene_glycol
 
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I'd be willing to bet that with that extra 'oomph' you'll be able to be able to call yourself a permanent non smoker. Really does make all the difference for some people. And yeah, wait till you're off em entirely. Then your tastebuds come back in a few mos (though you're probably already noticing a huge difference) and vaping flavors get much more exciting. Also, I use a killer vendor for most of my juices and they do some of the best natural tasting 'dessert' flavor vapes around. You can get their 4 flavors of the week or weekender for $10 an ounce, which might work if your buddy finds he really needs satisfying realistic dessert flavors. Anyway, pm me if you ever need a referral. I know the first year and a half I vaped, I thought I didn't like sweet vapes, cause they all tasted really fake to me... not at all a substitute for the real thing. But this vendor changed that for me. ;)
 

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Oh that should be easy enough to do, just drag the image with the color swatch you like over the extracted GLV2 and use a clipping mask, and it'll look almost identical to how it'll look in real life. I don't know how adept you are with gimp, but would be a 15 min thing in photoshop, so feel free to yell out if you're a beginner and get stuck. That's pretty much exactly how I figured out what I wanted, but then someone talked me into a cheap vv box first, just to find my 'sweet spot' and I realized a 5v mod wasn't at all for me. Hoping you love yours, though! I know a lot of very happy glv owners. ;)

I'm pretty adept at doing things like that in PS, so I think I'll be okay for Gimp. Just a matter of having some free time to do it. Heh, wish I could get PS on a workstation at work, but can't justify that license for my position.
 

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And thus the joys of PS Elements. lol Newer elements can use actions and styles.. about the only thing I miss from like CS3-6 in elements is ability to 'warp' shadows. And elements is like $50... can even get it for free with things like a graphics pad purchase, and some internet security software. But that's not to disparage Gimp. I just have a hard time remembering how to 'translate' stuff I do in PS into Gimp, personally. Its the most remarkable open source software I've ever used. ;)
 

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And thus the joys of PS Elements. lol Newer elements can use actions and styles.. about the only thing I miss from like CS3-6 in elements is ability to 'warp' shadows. And elements is like $50... can even get it for free with things like a graphics pad purchase, and some internet security software. But that's not to disparage Gimp. I just have a hard time remembering how to 'translate' stuff I do in PS into Gimp, personally. Its the most remarkable open source software I've ever used. ;)

Hmmm, I ought to check my campus bookstore and see if they sell Elements cheaply. Or if I get an Adobe discounts through work. Best work deal yet is home use licenses for the latest and greatest MS Office suite. :)
 

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Adobe and Microsoft have cheap student software packages that you can purchase lifetime licensed student versions for $50 or so. My wife got MS Office 2007 that way, in addition to Autocad. It's the same version as the high priced public version. It's just earmarked as a student version and sold for less. I think it has to do with federal tax concessions for aiding students in the learning process by providing deep discounts. They are glad to have you purchase it and all you have to have is a student ID that you enter on a form when you order, along with the school you are attending. It may be in the bookstore, also.

I use PSE and find it fully functional for what I do. I grew up using PS and PSE has everything I need.
 
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