I humbly present one of my favorite size reducing kayfun accessories.
http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/Mod-Factory-K-Pico
Use it with a stock size tank ring, or a nano ring...
It works brilliantly.
Kayfun LITE - Part 2
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I humbly present one of my favorite size reducing kayfun accessories.
http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/Mod-Factory-K-Pico
Use it with a stock size tank ring, or a nano ring...
It works brilliantly.
I have kayfun coiling questions that may or may have not been answered before. Just a little background on why I chose the both 28 and 30 gauge. I chose the 30 due to doing some research and concluded that some 30 gauge/mvp 2 users claimed it heated faster and just seemed to work better with the mvp 2. I chose the 28 because...... it seems everybody uses it, likes it, and seems to work.
Dusty_D was kind enough to give me a starting point for 28 gauge:
"A 3/32 (2.35mm) screwdriver or drillbit to make a 1 - 1.5ohm 28g coil wicked with KGD will get you in the ball park really well. Work from there."
If I use 30 gauge the wraps will be less than with 28 (according to steam and coil toy)
Should I decrease the diameter for the 30 or should I just do more wraps increasing the ohms?
Also will more wraps (surface) help the vape?
I know that there is a lot written on this which I have read some, but, I just need a basic starting point with 30 gauge and to know how more or less wire surface affects the kayfun's flavor/throat hit output. I am not being lazy, I just need to be pointed in the right direction and I can probably work from there like Dusty said. Kayfun has not arrived yet, just preparing for it.....
Thanks in advance.
Dusty_D was kind enough to give me a starting point for 28 gauge:
"A 3/32 (2.35mm) screwdriver or drillbit to make a 1 - 1.5ohm 28g coil wicked with KGD will get you in the ball park really well. Work from there."
If I use 30 gauge the wraps will be less than with 28 (according to steam and coil toy)
Should I decrease the diameter for the 30 or should I just do more wraps increasing the ohms?
Also will more wraps (surface) help the vape?
I know that there is a lot written on this which I have read some, but, I just need a basic starting point with 30 gauge and to know how more or less wire surface affects the kayfun's flavor/throat hit output. I am not being lazy, I just need to be pointed in the right direction and I can probably work from there like Dusty said. Kayfun has not arrived yet, just preparing for it.....
Thanks in advance.
Decreasing the diameter won't help much. Even if you drop down to 5/64 (1.98), you're going to be around 5 - 6 wraps with 30g. That's not enough surface area on the coil in contact to your wicking medium.
If you want to use 30g, I'd go with a twisted coil, where you'll be able to do a 5 - 6 wrap twisted, and still retain 1.5 ohms while doubling up the contact area on the coil.
I recommended 28 for two reasons:
1) You get enough wraps (8 - 9) to have effective contact with wicking.
2) It's a lot sturdier compared to 30g.
Ofcourse, going up in Ohms is always an option, although a 2+ ohm coil will take a lot longer to heat up.
If you want to use 30g, I'd go with a twisted coil, where you'll be able to do a 5 - 6 wrap twisted, and still retain 1.5 ohms while doubling up the contact area on the coil.
I recommended 28 for two reasons:
1) You get enough wraps (8 - 9) to have effective contact with wicking.
2) It's a lot sturdier compared to 30g.
Ofcourse, going up in Ohms is always an option, although a 2+ ohm coil will take a lot longer to heat up.
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense! I should have inquired before purchasing the kanthal, but that is neither here nor there now.
I was mainly worried of the heat up time, but I will work with what I have. Thanks again Dusty
I was mainly worried of the heat up time, but I will work with what I have. Thanks again Dusty
It always helps me to think of the wire as a garden hose...
The thinner the hose (30g) the more resistance.
The thicker the hose (26g) the less resistance.
(I'm using 26g as an example, because there is more of a stark difference between 26g and 30g.)
Now, that being said, there is wire heat up time to consider, which is what you're trying to gauge (no pun intended).
The thicker the wire, the longer the heat up time, because there is more metal to heat up. That seems to contradict the garden hose analogy doesn't it? The odd pairing of less resistance and longer heat up time is due to the fact that, while there is more metal to heat up, the battery doesn't have to work as hard to push the current through it (think of water trying to flow through a big hole)...
Now, the 30g...obviously thinner. More resistance. But it will heat up more quickly. That's because, while the battery has to work harder to push the current through a tiny little wire (think of water trying to flow through a little hole), there is less metal to push it through...
I don't know if that makes any sense, as I'm not an electrical whiz like many on here. But the garden hose analogy was the first one to crack through my mind and make sense to me, so I like to pass it on!
I've had a lot of fun helping others on the ECF try to understand the principles at play here, from one Average Joe to another!
In fact, here is a quote (to save having to type it all again) from another thread, where I was helping someone out!
Yay me! Hahaha just kidding.
I hope this helps! Or at the very least, doesn't leave you confused...but if it does, there are more knowledgable folks here to help out!!!
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Thanks again, it does make sense. I just want to get to at least a satisfactory point that I can tell myself I am ready to quit the marlboros, in other words switch to a different safety blanket.
You guys are great!
One thing I did find out which I will repeat, I feel that a warmer vape feels closer (may be placebo) to a cigarrette. I am concerned of overheating and inhaling juice that I could burn into crap. I am currently using my mvp 2/nautilus mini (1.8 coil) at 11 watts. Do not want to get into the juice flavor, but it is a 50/50. It is a little warm, but does not have a burnt taste. I do wish I could go a little higher.
I apologize in advance for my rookie questions. I felt I would ask here since I am a kayfun owner (has not arrived yet, but it is paid for hahaha) Checked other threads and some people were talking about setting coils in clones, copies and what not and in the end claiming some having different dimensions/variations of chimneys, which in my opinion takes away form the homogeneity of a product making it difficult for people like me that are starting out.
Disclaimer: I do not want to join or have anything to do with any clone vs. authentic discussion. I am just making a statement in regards to having and even keel as a staring point as a rookie that may also help others in the future.
Thanks to all of you
You guys are great!
One thing I did find out which I will repeat, I feel that a warmer vape feels closer (may be placebo) to a cigarrette. I am concerned of overheating and inhaling juice that I could burn into crap. I am currently using my mvp 2/nautilus mini (1.8 coil) at 11 watts. Do not want to get into the juice flavor, but it is a 50/50. It is a little warm, but does not have a burnt taste. I do wish I could go a little higher.
I apologize in advance for my rookie questions. I felt I would ask here since I am a kayfun owner (has not arrived yet, but it is paid for hahaha) Checked other threads and some people were talking about setting coils in clones, copies and what not and in the end claiming some having different dimensions/variations of chimneys, which in my opinion takes away form the homogeneity of a product making it difficult for people like me that are starting out.
Disclaimer: I do not want to join or have anything to do with any clone vs. authentic discussion. I am just making a statement in regards to having and even keel as a staring point as a rookie that may also help others in the future.
Thanks to all of you
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You're making a transition, and learning new things!
The only stupid questions are the ones you don't ask!
While there may be a random user here, who acts like Keeper of the Knowledge, the rest of us are always willing to help and share! None of this knowledge is secret...so I'd say 99.99% of us are willing to give it away!
Hey, we want to help keep everyone off of traditional tobacco products! Ask away!
P.S. I edited my previous post, with a little more to help explain.
Thanks again! Not getting tired of saying thanks, but I do not want to be uncouth and not say thanks. I do not spend much time on forums so not saying thanks feels like I did not acknowledged, this is how new I am, hahaha.
California is just like and old tangible encyclopedia, it has different volumes with different topics......
Didn't know there were any other kind..
Low blow. 1 point taken away from you Dusty.
Ordered SvoeMesto last night from Germany and Fedex is delivering tomorrow. Bronze is going to make me some coils and send me some of his famous Japanese cotton for wicks. Anyone interested in 9 bales of USA cotton let me know. LOL
It seems to me that 28ga is sorta like the "industry standard" for coil wrapping. A nice compromise between resistance and stiffness that allows amateurs and "pros" alike to build great coils. I have other gauges but very rarely use them.
Sent with no malice and not a whole lot of forethought from my new Galaxy Tab 4. Thanks Santa!
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