Kayfun LITE - Part 2

[Bronze]

Well, it was Greece so, I'm sure it was cheaper..

They were probably using foot powered lathes and arrowheads too.

 

[Dusty_D]

They were probably using foot powered lathes and arrowheads too.

Oh stop!! *snicker*

 

[KTMRider]

... nothing else 'game-changing' has been introduced thereafter, has it?

Temperature protection.

 

[Bronze]

Temperature protection.

And I would put P3's boost feature (and other mods who use similar) with that as well. Not to the extent the kayfun was but perhaps the best breakthrough since.

 

[Woofer]

And I would put P3's boost feature (and other mods who use similar) with that as well. Not to the extent the Kayfun was but perhaps the best breakthrough since.

Yeah, I really like the boost function on the DNA 40 too.

 

[AMDTrucking]

Everyone likes to save money. But is shoplifting a way to do it? Not suggesting buying a clone is shoplifting but rather using an extreme to make a point. The definition of stealing is up for interpretation.

You knew I was going to buy an authentic KFV4 for $180.00. I watched the release date/time very closely and went on VapeRev.com that day. But the release date was postponed until further notice. Then it was released the next day, unannounced and sold out right-a-way. I missed the boat. It has been in sold out status ever sense. If I haven't gotten a clone, I would still not have KFV4 now. With Squape R[eloaded] was the same story. And Taifun GT2.
Who's fault it is that the manufacturers of the authentic product are unable to supply enough of the product to satisfy the demand?
Chinese cloners, on the other hand are capable of producing enough for every body at much lower price.
That's my excuse.

 

[ricks]

Just won a Tobeco one on eBay for $21.50 shipping from N.Y. Hoping to try it this weekend.

 

[MattB101]

With the K4 I believe they had clones showing up two weeks later.

I started a business too. A metal fabrication joint. Wrote the biz plan, got partners, a line of credit, bought the building and equipment, hired the employees, bought insurance, blah, blah, blah. Started it up and got out of it. There is a lot of investment and a lot of risk for entrepreneurs and it seems these days they are made out to be villains.

Notice I said clones that get close to it in quality, the ones right now aren't close, cept maybe the new tobeco and it just came out after a month or so.

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[MattB101]

That cuts both ways as well, unless they are releasing figures on how much investment they have in a certain product both sides of the argument are just guessing as to how much profit they are making. Neither side can accurately say if the product is "fairly" priced or not.

Personally I have a lot of respect for Svoemesto, and have purchased several authentic KFL+ at full price to support them as a company. Their products are very original, it's painfully obvious that a lot of time, effort, and engineering have gone into them. I also have tons of Kayfun clones because I can't afford a $5000 atty collection, but I've supported the company as much as I'm able to.

But not all companies are like SM, and I don't think it's fair to give companies credit for massive investment when the end product really doesn't show it. The Aethertech Orchid is a perfect example, they slapped a modified fogger deck in a kayfun body and called it good. Early ones lacked a fill hole. Up until recently they used 1-piece chimneys that disallow any fine tuning of wick placement. That's not good engineering, and that doesn't demonstrate any significant time and effort placed into product testing and revising. People were willing to pay $180 for something so rough around the edges (figuratively, not literally) when they would attack clones (or low-end original products) for having issues even less significant. Compare the KF4 to the Orchid and tell me the Orchid isn't a basic piece of equipment, selling at the same price as the highly engineered KF4.

Another example is the onslaught of cookie-cutter 3-post RDAs being pumped out not too long ago and selling for near $100. If it takes a company any significant amount of effort/money/time to produce a simple 3-post RDA then they are doing something wrong. KFLs sell around the same price and are made with the same level of quality and far more engineering.

I don't think we should be avoiding this discussion, but we should be avoiding the snark and vitriol. You have the extremist anti-clone people who make it seem like building an atty is tantamount to building a Saturn-V rocket, and you have clone supporters who seem to think it takes twenty minutes to design and produce a working atty. Both are extreme, and incorrect, and we are allowing those types to steer the discussion into unproductive territory.

Wish there was a double like button.

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[MattB101]

One thing that can be said about SM and the Kayfun in particular (and is inarguable) is they shook up the vape world like so few have. And it doesn't take any effort to see it. Just look around at all the attys out there that copied their design in whole, in part, or in concept. Nearly every RTA released today has at least some elements of the Kayfun designed into it. We are seeing clearomizers with Kayfun elements. Those top coil thingies are dinosaurs now. Cartos are dinosaurs. Even drippers stole from the Kayfun design with the direct-to-coil airflow designs. Someone would be hard pressed to find anything that revolutionized vaping more than Kayfuns. That alone warrants a very lucrative paycheck for those responsible.

Double like here too. Couldn't agree more.

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[MattB101]

O' one hundred % true. Gennys were the first big change during the Carto / Clearo scene. And K'fun was the next. Viralling an era of S-RTAs, which became just RTAs since the evolution of cotton as the wick of choice. Except for the Carto-RBAs (viz. Killer705, Diver v2 and Sophia) nothing else 'game-changing' has been introduced thereafter, has it?

Nope, even the V4 is nothing but a variation on a theme to be honest.

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[MattB101]

You knew I was going to buy an authentic KFV4 for $180.00. I watched the release date/time very closely and went on VapeRev.com that day. But the release date was postponed until further notice. Then it was released the next day, unannounced and sold out right-a-way. I missed the boat. It has been in sold out status ever sense. If I haven't gotten a clone, I would still not have KFV4 now. With Squape R[eloaded] was the same story. And Taifun GT2.
Who's fault it is that the manufacturers of the authentic product are unable to supply enough of the product to satisfy the demand?
Chinese cloners, on the other hand are capable of producing enough for every body at much lower price.
That's my excuse.

Even the iPhone is made in China. Wonder why the SvoëMesto type folks don't contract out the manufacturing? The Chinese can meet high specs if the contract says so, definitely would keep costs down. Germany has to be one of the most expensive places to build anything, a BMW is cheaper to build in the good old US of A. And that's saying something, our manufacturing costs aren't exactly cheap.

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[qorax]

Not even the K4.

It's a K'fun, right?

Remember I said 'type of attys'...

1. Carto
2. Clearo
3. Genny
4. K'fun (later called RTA)
5. Carto-RBA

 

[qorax]

Temperature protection.

And I would put P3's boost feature (and other mods who use similar) with that as well. Not to the extent the Kayfun was but perhaps the best breakthrough since.

I was talking about Attys there. With mods / total devices two things could be called 'valuable idea':

1. The Billet Box. The real hybrid, all-in-one device! For a non-carto guy ~ ah meh. But, with the advent of BVC coils and the Atmistique Billet Bridge ~ this got a new life! And now with the By Leo's BB Kit I can plonk in a Sophia inside and wow, it becomes a lot merrier! A truly wonderful vaping device.

2. DNA40 / Temp Protect. Yes, this changes the way we vape! Not yet a game changer b'coz of the quirks and the singular wire it can be fired with (in TP mode), but if (and when) things get worked out this could be a true game changer indeed.

 

[Pinggolfer]

What's your problem Ping? You think your better than some here?

I'm not better then anyone here nor have I ever said I was. I simply won't buy a clone and especially one who has the nerve to go as far as to copy the name and logo of the original. That equals stealing and I'm not going to support fakes. Last year I purchased a Provari and then added two more. Why? because they are worth every dollar I spent for them. Sorry but I'm not a machine oil guy.

 

[ricks]

I know you're not Ping. I just won't over pay for some pieces of steel that I can buy for a hell of a lot less. This does not mean that you can talk about me about what I do and what I buy.

 

[Pinggolfer]

You can buy what you want and vape what you want. I maybe totally wrong but I thought this was a SvoëMesto Kayfun Lite thread not clones. I know there are many clone kayfun threads and didn't think this was one of them,

 

[VapingTurtle]

... I maybe totally wrong but I thought this was a SvoëMesto Kayfun Lite thread not clones. ...

Yup. You are wrong.

 

[qorax]

Guys, can we leave the clone vs. authentic talks and move ahead please?

 

[ricks]

You can buy what you want and vape what you want. I maybe totally wrong but I thought this was a SvoëMesto Kayfun Lite thread not clones. I know there are many clone kayfun threads and didn't think this was one of them,

It's a vaping thread that's discussing the kayfun. Clone or authentic does not matter. The well made clones are almost 100% identical from what I can see. More people buy clones than authentic from what I hear. I just can't see why some of you have such a big problem with clones. So what if the Chinese sell us the same thing without over charging. All that should matter here is Vaping it. No one here works for SvoëMesto. Myself and a lot of people won't over pay for an item that costs a lot less than the authentic and it should not bother you or anyone else. Its always someone that has a problem with clones that has to ruin a good thread.