Kayfun lite plus black clone edition

[TheKiwi]

So I threw in the thickest most molasses-like juice I own to test. Colossus by Cyclops, it's an amazing vanilla custard creme. The original BE I got a few months back had issues with it wicking without primer puffs every 2-3 pulls. This isn't a dig at the old BE btw, as this juice is almost unvapeable out of most tanks. Great for drippers though.

Anyway. The deeper juice channels and more open airhole make a huge difference. The draw can be adjusted just as open as my authentic. I've gone though about 2ml, no issues and tons of flavor. Only con was a bad post screw that I had to replace with an extra from the parts bag.

Excuse the selfie, just having some fun! I'm quite satisfied overall, very close to the authentic KFL+.

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What driptip is that?! It's fking gorgeous on a kayfun!


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[mbliffert]

What driptip is that?! It's fking gorgeous on a kayfun!


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It's the stubby Ghost Modder tip. They aren't cheap but well worth it. Best tip I've used on an RBA.

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[Ryuukon]

Looks like he pulled the listing he put up yesterday for the KFL Black Edition... Dangit. I was about to pull the trigger!

 

[mbliffert]

They are still available and another seller also listed some that are black edition spec.

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[bsoplinger]

... The deeper juice channels and more open airhole make a huge difference. The draw can be adjusted just as open as my authentic. I've gone though about 2ml, no issues and tons of flavor.

Are you saying that the V2 of the BE has deeper juice channels? It's the only Kayfun I own and those channels seem awfully shallow to me. I'm still having all kinds of problems getting a decent tasting vape out of mine

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[mbliffert]

Yeah, the newest version of the Black Edition does have deeper juice channels and a larger airhole. Tobeco changed their design in March 2014.

I'm surprised you are having issues with the old BE. I have two of those and while the new one is preferable I never had any issues with the old ones, save for one really thick juice.

Are you saying that the V2 of the BE has deeper juice channels? It's the only Kayfun I own and those channels seem awfully shallow to me. I'm still having all kinds of problems getting a decent tasting vape out of mine

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[bsoplinger]

No, I'm having issues with the new V2 version. I couldn't imagine smaller juice channels, these things seem tiny to me.

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[crxess]

No, I'm having issues with the new V2 version. I couldn't imagine smaller juice channels, these things seem tiny to me.

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Possible you got a Monday morning dud. It happens.
Pic with chimney tube attached and no wick would help to tell.
Pic with your wick build might give some idea.

 

[mbliffert]

Did you purchase the BE v2, or the New Black Edition?

I think the New BE is Tobeco's latest version. I don't have the BE v2 from privatedeal so I can't comment, but I got my old BE's from him.

No, I'm having issues with the new V2 version. I couldn't imagine smaller juice channels, these things seem tiny to me.

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UPDATE:

On my 4th tank through the new BE, 3 tanks of Colossus (the super thick liquid I mentioned earlier), and now rewicked with some Madrina from Suicide Bunny. Vaping it side by side with my authentic filled with Queenside and barely noticing a difference.

On a side note, has anyone tried/owned the Taifun GT? In an effort to expand my horizons I've tried both the Squape and the Flash-e-vapor, and find both less satisfying than my Kayfuns. I figure I should ask this here, because if you're reading this you are probably a lover of Kayfuns as well.

On another side note, has anyone tried Five Pawn's Castle Long (not reserve version), or anything else from the Mixology line? I'm looking to expand my horizons with ejuice as well.

 

[TheKiwi]

I wouldn't bother with the taifun gt. I used to own 4 authentics and those guys are very very pricey.

Flavor and vapor wise, it's pretty much the same, which is to be expected because they have essentially the same chimney structure. The biggest advantage of having a taifun is being able to access the coils without draining the tank, and that it holds 5ml of juice

That aside, it's a very very fussy atty that is extremely extremely prone to leaking if you don't get the coil positions, the posts height and the wick thickness right. You also can't adjust airflow without removing your coil


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[zipflint]

Just from my own experiences with a handful of clones of KFLs/Russians, one Squape clone, and a few Taifun GT clones from fasttech, I find the Taifuns MUCH easier to work with than any of these. Including the Kayfun clones. I have a really REALLY hard time dealing with wick placement, even with all the help I've received on these forums.

I'm getting better at it, but the Taifun GT has been a complete breeze for me since day one. I'm ordering a few more clones as soon as I can because I'm getting tired of fighting with some of my kayfun clones.

But, that's just me, and the nature of the (lack of) QC on these clones. YMMV.....

 

[JulesXsmokr]

I have the ver. 2 BE - The air holes are the same size as my ver. 1 - I did state before that the juice channels "seemed" a tiny bit deeper.
Good thing I bought a second one, I just burned/melted the insulator on the deck of the first one when dry burning and tightening my coil screws. I twisted the block a bit. I bought 5 new deck insulators for 5 bucks from ebay and a complete rebuild kit from fat daddy's. These should keep me in the vape for a while.. I did notice that when I took my stem apart, the white 510 insulator sleeve somewhat covers the air hole in the 510 screw, I cut it a bit shorter to allow more air to enter, and putting it back together you have to keep that hole perfectly aligned with the air passages, you have to mark the alignment up with a tiny marker before you put it together.

 

[mbliffert]

I'm about to rewick another Kayfun and I'll do it in a way that is almost full proof and take crappy phone pics for you.

It sounds like the one advertised as the v2 BE isn't actually the newest version.

The airhole and juice channels on the New BE are much larger.

Btw there is another BE listed on eBay right now that shows the Svoemesto logo on the bottom. To my knowledge Tobeco hasn't ever made the BE with SM's logo, so I don't know what to make of it.

A search of "Kayfun Black" brings up all the sellers though.

I think I mentioned this previously, but I'll say it again. Black Edition is just a marketing term referring to the v2 Tobeco KFL. Their design continues to evolve. The beginning of March is when they increased the airhole size and mid-February was when the juice channels got better. I'm guessing those that received the v2 BE got some produced in mid-Feb before the airhole was enlarged. If you have a small airhole and shallow juice channels you have the original BE.

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[crxess]

You would be incorrect. B.E. was a Requested build. An upgrade if you will, done to special order by request of the original seller.
The first 800 released went to this vender only in 2 shipments. After fulfilling the contract Tobaco released their Updated Copy - the KFL+ Silver Edition. Difference - Black Box vs. TBC Box
Now you can pick your poison, however all B.E. must still meet the Buyers Specs. Silver may or may not be consistent.
The BEv2 should be along the same contract lines and Privatedeal should be the official seller with the correct model.

Have to remember - when one Ebay seller finds a niche, others find ways to claim they sell the exact same thing<maybe, kind of, sort of> Coat tails are often ridden by creative but unscrupulous sellers.

The Russian Black Edition was a Great find............You got Red o-rings instead of Black for $10 more. Seller also never had more than a few available at any given time.

 

[mbliffert]

The point you are forgetting is anyone can have devices made to spec, from the same manufacturer. That is why there is so much innovation on Kayfun clones.

Privatedeal was the first to request upgrades and it paid off greatly for him for doing so and continues to do so. I even bought two of them. But that doesn't mean others aren't doing the same thing. I agree Privatedeal deserves the credit for moving China in the right direction, but you shouldn't fault others, in my opinion, for improving upon the design. The end result means we all get better atomizers.

My point from before is more about the device and less about where credit is due. When a large order is made to spec with upgrades these Chinese companies don't go back to their old design. Then the upgraded versions are available to anyone buying in large quantities.

Currently there is a difference between the Black Edition and the silver edition, but it wouldn't surprise me if in 2-3 weeks from now we see the latest innovations, which are found in the BE's in March, available as standard in the Tobeco KFL+ clone.

Manufacture date is arguably more important than whatever special name is attached to it.

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[TheKiwi]

Just figured I would put this out there. I think the term "black edition" should refer exclusively to the one sold by privatedeal. If tobeco is selling clones made according his specs (ie the v2), then it should be referred to as it is: a tobeco v2. But that's just me. Shrug.


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[mbliffert]

Just figured I would put this out there. I think the term "black edition" should refer exclusively to the one sold by privatedeal. If tobeco is selling clones made according his specs (ie the v2), then it should be referred to as it is: a tobeco v2. But that's just me. Shrug.


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The problem I have with it all, and the reason for my long posts, is not to give or take credit away, but to eliminate the confusion surrounding the Tobeco clones. The v2 was a copy of the original BE and still is. Then privatedeal innovated further and called it the BE v2. Then some others innovated further, should we call this the v3? Or would the v3 be the copy of privatedeal's v2? So would this be a v4?

I think at this point Black Edition is more easily understood. There is a reason Apple dumped the version numbers from iPads; it gets confusing.

 

[mbliffert]

Rereading the last few posts I hope I'm not coming off negative. That isn't my intention.

Privatedeal is an awesome seller and brought a great product to market through Tobeco. He is receiving credit where credit is due, in the form of loyal customers. Other eBayers can only hope to achieve the success he has had. I mean moving 200+ KFL's in a day or two consistently...

That's incredible!

If this keeps going at this speed we should have a KFL clone that is BETTER than the original by the end of the summer.

 

[crxess]

mbliffert,
No problem. Just for the sake of clarity - You called it (Just a marketing term). Perhaps just a poor choice of Description. An item that is advertised for its Features is being marketed, but it is being done on the Merits of the Product. Not just a way to increase sales.
I am not trying to Defend a Product simply because I purchased it. I actually have 2 B.E. Editions and No intent on buying the B.E.v2. Am I pleased with my purchases? Overall a yes. The product has the upgrades advertised, not just a hype move, but like anything pumped out of China there can be flaws. My second has a Flaw.(I dealt with it)
Anyway, Privatedeal did our little life niche a good thing and I appreciate it. Forward innovation is always welcome.

Oh, for anyone interested - Tobaco is selling the v2 in their TBC boxing. Two Ebay sellers are already claiming they Sell the Black Edition........But (1 claims) to save you money, it comes in the TBC Box and (1 claims) Ordering the custom BLACK BOX would cause long delays.
Meanwhile Private Deal sold out again.

Anyway, my latest 3 Kayfuns are Lites from FT($14ea) Thought I'd offset some of the expense. Not bad for Cheap either.

 

[mbliffert]

crxess,

It's too bad you are all the way in Williamsport, we have beautiful weather down here on the gulf coast and I'd love to buy you a beer!

It looks like there is also a preorder up for a Kayfun clone in black or gold color. Not a black edition, but looks pretty cool. Looks like they aren't shipping until May though. Anyone get any of these yet?