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last warning here, this mod I'm showing here is only for those who have mastered there kayfun build and simply want to recalibrate it to run a little more juice for higher watts, I do NOT recommend this to someone as a "fix" because they are having trouble with their build... this is NOT to fix a flaw in the kayfun, the kayfun works great with the right build and there is nothing necessary to fix it, if it's not working right for you then explore all the other options of building it, this is ONLY recommended to those who have their build right but can't go over 11 watts or so without starting to run dry and needing increased primer puffs
 

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last warning here, this mod I'm showing here is only for those who have mastered there kayfun build and simply want to recalibrate it to run a little more juice for higher watts, I do NOT recommend this to someone as a "fix" because they are having trouble with their build... this is NOT to fix a flaw in the kayfun, the kayfun works great with the right build and there is nothing necessary to fix it, if it's not working right for you then explore all the other options of building it, this is ONLY recommended to those who have their build right but can't go over 11 watts or so without starting to run dry and needing increased primer puffs

Thank you for that important clarification!
 

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Are you sure you're at 5.5 watts and not 5.5 volts?

5.5 watts should be like Vaping warm air.

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hey i find it hard to believe as well, i hear people talking about vaping at like 12 watts and stuff. im using a provari and usually set it between 2.9-3-3 volts and my current coil is at 2.3 ohms of 30 awg. i dont understand how it is possible to get bigger vapor production without burning your mouth?!?! my kayfun makes a very decent amount of vapor at 5.5 watts but its hot and by the 4-5 hit my tongue and throat feel like i have 250 degree food on them.
 

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for cooler vape do i want the coil closer or farther from the air hole? (the concensus used to be that further the coil was from the air hole the more "throat hit". i am trying to eliminate throat hit by lowering vaping temp.
also does the diameter of the coil appear to have an effect on warmth of vape to anyone? these minor tweaks are very hard to pinpoint when my mouth has been wrecked for the last week straight from vaping warm to hot vapor.
 

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horizontal vs vertical micro coil build in the kayfun lite which one gives you less Throat Hit with the same resistance / wattage setup?

I would say the throat hit is about the same, I think the vapor is about the same, perhaps a bit better in vertical when compared to horizontal coil configuration. I think the flavor is clearly better with a vertical coil. I also find that I can vape with a much higher wattage without getting the dry, scratchy vapor I get with horizontal at higher wattages.
 

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I would say the throat hit is about the same, I think the vapor is about the same, perhaps a bit better in vertical when compared to horizontal coil configuration. I think the flavor is clearly better with a vertical coil. I also find that I can vape with a much higher wattage without getting the dry, scratchy vapor I get with horizontal at higher wattages.

Awwww man, don't do that. I'm just getting comfortable with horizontal micros.

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Awwww man, don't do that. I'm just getting comfortable with horizontal micros.

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This is nothing I haven't already told you...

I told you it over the weekend thinking you might try one, but if you don't want to, don't. I found the flavor to be better. You may well do it and find no difference. I mean, you live in Canada, so how much appreciation for the finer things can you really have?

It is not much trouble to try it, and RiP Trippers has a nice video demonstrating the technique. If you know microcoils, you can do it without any problems. My first one was a success. The 3/32" is a perfect size for this, since I find 5/64th and smaller "choke off" the air flow...that is your micro coil size of choice, is it not?
 

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This is nothing I haven't already told you...

I told you it over the weekend thinking you might try one, but if you don't want to, don't. I found the flavor to be better. You may well do it and find no difference. I mean, you live in Canada, so how much appreciation for the finer things can you really have?

It is not much trouble to try it, and RiP Trippers has a nice video demonstrating the technique. If you know microcoils, you can do it without any problems. My first one was a success. The 3/32" is a perfect size for this, since I find 5/64th and smaller "choke off" the air flow...that is your micro coil size of choice, is it not?

Size of choice is 3/32..but I've been told that is a "mini" coil, as is the 5/64..so, you might want to update your learnings there. As for an appreciation for the finer things.. need I remind you that I was the one that got you to finally accept that the Kayfun was a "must buy"?!

I'll check out Rip's video, and will consider building a vertical for testing. It's gotta be as simple to swap out the cotton etc though, because these horizontals are super easy to swap out and tinkering time is something that I don't have too much off.
 

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hey i find it hard to believe as well, i hear people talking about vaping at like 12 watts and stuff. im using a provari and usually set it between 2.9-3-3 volts and my current coil is at 2.3 ohms of 30 awg. i dont understand how it is possible to get bigger vapor production without burning your mouth?!?! my kayfun makes a very decent amount of vapor at 5.5 watts but its hot and by the 4-5 hit my tongue and throat feel like i have 250 degree food on them.

5.5 watts on a KFL is a very cold vape. It is going to take 10+ watts on a KFL to get a warm vape, which would still be a cooler vape than any top coil or regular 510 atty. By nature a bottom coil atty is a cool vape. You must be having wicking issues and getting dry hits. That will burn the heck out of your throat.
 

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Size of choice is 3/32..but I've been told that is a "mini" coil, as is the 5/64..so, you might want to update your learnings there. As for an appreciation for the finer things.. need I remind you that I was the one that got you to finally accept that the Kayfun was a "must buy"?!

I'll check out Rip's video, and will consider building a vertical for testing. It's gotta be as simple to swap out the cotton etc though, because these horizontals are super easy to swap out and tinkering time is something that I don't have too much off.

Hey man, whatever you want to do. I don't get a commission on it if you try or anything...

The wick swap is easier, if anything IMHO.
 

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personally I haven't perfected my vertical and I need to spend more time with it but I'm so loving the horizontal micros in the kayfun I don't find the urgency to play with verticals...

I know that the first dual I did looked crazy but it really vaped great even at 12 watts, 2 second heat up then 6-7 second pull and I'm getting a really really nice thick tasty vape. I compare it side by side to my 20 watt duals in my cyclone and the biggest difference is how fast it is... the cyclone I take a 3-4 second hit and that's it where the big long duals I'd take 2 second heat up then 6-7 second draw, but the actual vape, pretty damn similar, both rich warm thick and flavorful, just one does it in 3-4 seconds where the other takes 8-9 seconds... one does it with a big open airy hit where the other is more of a long softer type draw, ones sipping and the other is gulping

this is the biggest difference between high and low power, a high powered vape will be much quicker big open air inlets and only take a short hit and instant big clouds, where a lower power will need more time and longer tighter softer draws... obviously a high powered vape will produce more vapor but it's not just more it's more in a much shorter time

anyway, the 12 watt limitation was just screwing with my head and even though it was a really good vape I wanted to speed things up a bit and raise the power a bit so I redid it with less length coils... this is dual 18's... this thing really rocks, heatup at 15 watts is instant and the vape is really nice








and here is how I wick this












and the last thing I do once it's all buttoned up is push the 2 coils closer together so the air is forced between the coils








as good as the loong coils were, this is just better. instant heat up and 15 watts no problem and it's wicking well no problem and it is good good good :) 36 wraps and it hits awesome, taste and vape quality is spot on, honestly I think this is going to wind up being my go to setup from now on in this kayfun give or take a few wraps eventually I'll play with verticals again but verticals never gave me awesome so far where this one def does :) as a point of reference my cyclone right now at 20 watts is running dual 13 wrap coils for 26 wraps total and honestly I rarely go with less than that on any vv/vw device, only time I need to go down to 10 wraps or less is on a mech mod. I find I get a richer more flavorful and less harsh vape with longer coils that are well over 10 wraps each

oh and you can see here that I try to get pretty close to the air hole. I like to get as close as I can because I think it causes the air to spread around the coil more and the more air flow that actually passes over the coil itself hugging the surface of the coil the better the vape in my opinion, I think the duals forcing the air to a slot between them also helps this air flowing over coil surface. this reduces throat hit and increases flavor I think but of course you can't get too close or it chokes and wicks fluid to the air hole. I'd say play around with it and get as close as you can without the draw tightening up and it starting to gurgle and get fluid in the air passage.
 
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You would be the last person that I would have expected to go sub-ohm, but then stranger things have happened. :D

I am not expecting I will enjoy it Dust. But I have tried most all vaping arenas..both in gear and juice. Subohm just happens to be the next. Took awhile, but I knew I'd get to it sooner or later. Not sure of the next venture after this one. No hurry. Maybe pipes, but those are not cheap. I'll call on you when I get to that point. Might be awhile though.
 

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hey i find it hard to believe as well, i hear people talking about vaping at like 12 watts and stuff. im using a provari and usually set it between 2.9-3-3 volts and my current coil is at 2.3 ohms of 30 awg. i dont understand how it is possible to get bigger vapor production without burning your mouth?!?! my kayfun makes a very decent amount of vapor at 5.5 watts but its hot and by the 4-5 hit my tongue and throat feel like i have 250 degree food on them.

LOL!!! I'm swimming in the same waters as you.

I don't know if super watts is more a function of vape quality or testosterone. :)
 
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