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Well it was really spread out in a couple months time, I would do a build here and there with poor results and ultimately go back to cotton. Eventually they got closer and closer and one just has to remember what kind of worked and what didn't to finally figure it out.

:toast: to experimenting and figuring it out!!

My 5th and final KFL has been performing beautifully the last few hours. 100% success rate and 100% devices (KFL's and drippers) running on Rayon.

I feel like celebrating. :D
 

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:toast: to experimenting and figuring it out!!

My 5th and final KFL has been performing beautifully the last few hours. 100% success rate and 100% devices (KFL's and drippers) running on Rayon.

I feel like celebrating. :D
I hear you on that buddy, I feel the same way, what's next?
 

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I was spinning in circles switching between cotton yarn, organic cotton, japanese cotton and then rayon. They all had to wicked slightly different and I was messing myself up. I finally settled down and decided to tackle them one at a time. Yarn.. no more. OC - Check. I think I finally have Rayon figured out as I've been enjoying my rayon wicked KFL's for the last week or two. Japanese cotton is next..maybe! :)

I'm still unsure about Rayon in terms of safety. I don't want to sound like an alarmist because I'm not. I'm fairly confident it is OK, but if I have alternatives I deem safe that adequately wick my juice then I will go with them over Rayon. Simply a personal choice and nothing more.
 

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I totally agree 100 percent. I have always heard the phrase, "little is more" but it has never worked for me personally. I have often thought those who use little amounts are the vaporers who vape like between 7 to 11 watts and that because I usually vape 15 and up that my cotton amounts had to be more. Now I don't totally stuff the cotton but I do error on more the little. I think any dry hits are 90 percent a cause of not using enough cotton and could be 100 but haven't done a certain test yet to verify. I guess if your tails were so big they clogged up channels, that also could produce dry hits or packed so much in the coil it might as well. I had once purposely packed major amounts in the coil and don't think I could of packed anymore unless I totally mangled my coil and couldn't produce a dry hit. In that test the only way I could get a dry hit was too little cotton in the coil. No doubt too much will mute flavor, so there still has to be a sweet spot but imo anyone who occasionally gets dry hits or has to plug air hole and prime every once in a while is using slightly too little.

I'm vaping at 8 watts and I can still torch the wick if I use too little...regular or Japanese cotton. As long as I can slide the cotton back and forth while inside the coil without moving/deforming the coil it is good to go. Some say it is too much if you can pull your mod over. Not true with me. In fact,if I can't pull my mod over is when I can force dry hits. I think there is a bit of an acceptable range in there. But I bought into the "little is better" theory. I gave up on that theory a while ago and that's why I was interested in your posts where you documented your experiments. It confirmed what I had already suspected. And I also concur that there are other factors...wick too short, wick too long, wick stuffed the wrong way, etc... But this has never been an issue for me so I suspect these factors are minor in comparison...for me anyway.
 

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I was glad to read about the use of more cotton vs the prevailing trend of "less is more".....
I've been fiddling around using more cotton and find it works better. Guess I should have spoken up rather than worring about the consequences of going against the trend......:D

LOL! Like anywhere else, ECF has a bandwagon too. Someone mentions something and a herd follows along. Next thing you know, it's gospel. :)

Perhaps the biggest ECF myth I know of is the one where you cannot have your coils touch each other or it would short.
 

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Hopefully the new version of the KFL. :D

I heard that they demo'd them out in Paris?!

Dusty - spill the beans! Any new rumors? I'd love a nano with glass. There was a KFL+ V2 in the classies for a great price and I know there are nano kits out there, but I'm holding my pennies hoping the new KFL is worth waiting for.
 

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Dusty - spill the beans! Any new rumors? I'd love a nano with glass. There was a KFL+ V2 in the classies for a great price and I know there are nano kits out there, but I'm holding my pennies hoping the new KFL is worth waiting for.


I know nothing.. and that's the truth! :D
 

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I'm still unsure about Rayon in terms of safety. I don't want to sound like an alarmist because I'm not. I'm fairly confident it is OK, but if I have alternatives I deem safe that adequately wick my juice then I will go with them over Rayon. Simply a personal choice and nothing more.


I hear you. For me it was just that challenge of getting the darn thing working right. Now I can move on..

Did I mention that Japanese cotton is next on my agenda?! :)
 

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I hear you. For me it was just that challenge of getting the darn thing working right. Now I can move on..

Did I mention that Japanese cotton is next on my agenda?! :)

I watched some vids...especially from Super X about using Japanese cotton. He stressed using less than more. That might work in his RM2 or Odin (or whatever he was using) but it doesn't work in a Kayfun. I treat the Japanese cotton the same way as I treat cotton ball. The one thing I do is strip off the outer compressed layers from both sides of the pad. Not sure this helps or not but its what I've started out doing.
 

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I watched some vids...especially from Super X about using Japanese cotton. He stressed using less than more. That might work in his RM2 or Odin (or whatever he was using) but it doesn't work in a Kayfun. I treat the Japanese cotton the same way as I treat cotton ball. The one thing I do is strip off the outer compressed layers from both sides of the pad. Not sure this helps or not but its what I've started out doing.


Yeah, With JC I kept going thinner and thinner with my wicks, and then dumped them. With the Rayon, I went the other way.. big time. Neither worked quite right.

At this point, I'd say I probably use around 25-50% more Rayon compared to my OC.

As you suggested, I'm going to start with the JC the same as my OC and work my way from there.
 

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Yeah, With JC I kept going thinner and thinner with my wicks, and then dumped them. With the Rayon, I went the other way.. big time. Neither worked quite right.

At this point, I'd say I probably use around 25-50% more Rayon compared to my OC.

As you suggested, I'm going to start with the JC the same as my OC and work my way from there.

Good strategy!
 

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LOL! Like anywhere else, ECF has a bandwagon too. Someone mentions something and a herd follows along. Next thing you know, it's gospel. :)
Perhaps the biggest ECF myth I know of is the one where you cannot have your coils touch each other or it would short.

Amen to the bandwagon....... definitely a herd mentality at times, but hey, we are all having fun, right??

I remember the first time I read about the coils touching. I looked and looked at the statement, thought about Ohm's law, and just couldn't make sense of it. Finally I put my mental foot down and thought -- this does not make sense.... there will not be a short. But of course, I did not say that on the forum........ I'm the prototypical "big coward"......:ohmy:
 

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Amen to the bandwagon....... definitely a herd mentality at times, but hey, we are all having fun, right??

I remember the first time I read about the coils touching. I looked and looked at the statement, thought about Ohm's law, and just couldn't make sense of it. Finally I put my mental foot down and thought -- this does not make sense.... there will not be a short. But of course, I did not say that on the forum........ I'm the prototypical "big coward"......:ohmy:

Ha! I know, who wants to make waves, right? That coil thing was "common knowledge" on ECF for many, many months. Amazing how disinformation can invade a community like that.
 
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