Kayfun LITE

[digitals]

I find my biggest issue with my builds is the thickness of the cotton wick and how to gauge that.

I'm sure to have little resistance when pulling the cotton through the micro coil wrapped on a 1/16" drill bit, but it's just KNOWING that perfect thickness of wick that troubles me the most. I have tore down so many setups searching for the right amount.

Never complaining as I enjoy the building part, but that cotton thickness is where I fight my battles.

 

[-SMT-]

^
Imho, thats the real secret to getting the cotton micro coil setup running flawlessly....its been my experience anyways.
The coil build/install is the easy part....

 

[Amnesia1187]

Been thinking about ordering one of these, but still a bit unsure of where to get it from? Is VapeRev still shafting people out of parts? What is InTaste?

Going to be building it for a ProVari (first rba). I'm guessing I should start with 30 or 32ga Kanthal and 2mm Ekowool? And maybe some organic cotton if I want to try micro coils? That sound about right? I'm gonna order a DMM and some wire cutters, anything else I should order while I'm at it?

 

[jaynole]

Ok maybe someone could give me some advice.. I have done 3 builds so far with my Kayfun lite and they all work and vape just fine.

If i leave my device sitting upright on my desk for a period of time and come back, the top cap of my Nemesis has juice on it, When i unscrew the Kayfun Lite, There is juice all over the underside of the base of the kayfun lite? Why is this? The fill screw is as tight as it can go.. I can hold it up and i dont see any leaking? it seems to only happen when i leave it sitting for a period of time unused?

I find if I don't dry the fill hole and screw threads after I refill, I get a little juice on the underside. Since I started taking a tiny twist of cotton or paper towel and drying the fill hole and fill screw after every refill, I have not had a single drop leak out. Hope that helps.

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[-SMT-]

Been thinking about ordering one of these, but still a bit unsure of where to get it from? Is VapeRev still shafting people out of parts? What is InTaste?

Going to be building it for a ProVari (first RBA). I'm guessing I should start with 30 or 32ga Kanthal and 2mm Ekowool? And maybe some organic cotton if I want to try micro coils? That sound about right? I'm gonna order a DMM and some wire cutters, anything else I should order while I'm at it?

"Intaste" is the German distrubutor, so it will come from germany. I, and many, have purchased the KFL from them. Arrives in 3 days via Fedex, mine did anyways, and they include all kinds of spare parts. Vaperev is hit and miss on whether the spares will be included....Intaste has been spectacular...I highly recommend them.

If you're going to build micro coils, I would recommend 28g, as this seems to be the standard for micro coils, as you don't want to much wire/coil wraps...If your going to use silica/ekowoll then pretty much anything can be worked.

After building both, the cotton, by far, wicks and tastes better than the ekowool/silica....IMO. Its just learning by trial and error to fine tune the cotton/micro coil build....but its worth it if you do a little research beforehand to eliminate the common mistakes.

It'd be worth your while to read the micro coil thread where they are now just about perfecting them...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/416271-micro-coils-increase-vapor-flavor-th-2.html

 

[lctrc]

And maybe some organic cotton if I want to try micro coils? That sound about right? I'm gonna order a DMM and some wire cutters, anything else I should order while I'm at it?

-SMT- answered most of your questions, just wanted to add a couple points.

Its more important that the cotton be "100% Cotton" than organic - though "organic" cotton is likely to be 100%, make sure it says that. You don't have to order it. Cotton balls or rolled cotton or even q-tips from any pharmacy is good - so long as the package says "100% cotton".

You also don't need wire cutters. Nail clippers do just as well, maybe even better.

You definitely want a DMM though. Don't skimp on that.

 

[Mozzer]

^
Imho, thats the real secret to getting the cotton micro coil setup running flawlessly....its been my experience anyways.
The coil build/install is the easy part....

I totally agree. I think there may be a tendency to make the cotton too thick in the beginning. The key is having the wick move fairly freely - not totally loose - in the coils with no bulges. Once you discover this, rolling the wick is as easy as making the coils

 

[xtreme101]

You definitely want a DMM though. Don't skimp on that.

I just joined the party ~ DMM?

 

[eHuman]

I just joined the party ~ DMM?

= Digital Multi-Meter

 

[withravenoushunger]

Anyone else have some wicking problems? It normally wicks fine but it will quickly start to taste dry even with a 50/50 juice. Is this normal? I'm comparing this to the Ithaka which IMO is probably the best performer out there.

 

[digitals]

After rolling a much thinner wick than I'm used to, folding the tails up, putting the base of the chimney on, trimming the excess even with the top of the base, tucking the tails back in.,

Vape Bliss!

The whole process of trimming the tails that I mentioned above was just something I seen another post, and I thought I would try that. It's the SIZE of the WICK in thickness that matters the most.

I've burnt wicks, had dry hits, great hits for a couple hours then instantly no flavor. You name it, I experienced it.

Wish there was some way of accurately gauging the thickness for future rebuilds.

 

[-SMT-]

^Glad you found somethin' that works DT

I dunno why, ' Vape Bliss' always cracks me up.....

 

[digitals]

^Glad you found somethin' that works DT

I dunno why, ' Vape Bliss' always cracks me up.....

As funny as it is, you know exactly what I'm saying though

 

[player one]

After rolling a much thinner wick than I'm used to, folding the tails up, putting the base of the chimney on, trimming the excess even with the top of the base, tucking the tails back in.,

Vape Bliss!

The whole process of trimming the tails that I mentioned above was just something I seen another post, and I thought I would try that. It's the SIZE of the WICK in thickness that matters the most.

I've burnt wicks, had dry hits, great hits for a couple hours then instantly no flavor. You name it, I experienced it.

Wish there was some way of accurately gauging the thickness for future rebuilds.

Congrats man! I've experienced all of that as well. I take pics of all my builds now and keep track of which works well. Next time I build I'll try to make it look the same. I too wish there was a way measure cotton thickness. But for now, I just thread the cotton through the coil and measure by resistance.

 

[trouble1000]

The way I gauge the cotton thickness is by threading it into the coil.

With a micro-coil the cotton should pull quite easily into the coil with a small amount of resistance. If it doesn't thread, the cotton is too thick, if the cotton falls out of the coil it's too thin.

I find it's easier to gauge the wick thickness with a normal coil though. If the coil gets compressed then the wick is too thick. Hope this helps

 

[donnah]

I'm beginning to think the thickness of the juice has something to do with wicking also. My current build is one it's third day. The first 2 days were flawless... perfect wicking. I refilled it last night before going to bed and noticed that my juice was thicker than usual. I diy and use a ratio of 50/50 but for some reason, this bottle seems thicker. And it's not wicking as well either. I find I'm having to do the dry pulls, put my finger over the air hole and suck to get juice into the chamber... I didn't have to do this the first couple of days with this same build. Is anyone vaping pure 100%VG juice? Like boba's bounty? Is it wicking well for you?

 

[trouble1000]

I'm beginning to think the thickness of the juice has something to do with wicking also. My current build is one it's third day. The first 2 days were flawless... perfect wicking. I refilled it last night before going to bed and noticed that my juice was thicker than usual. I diy and use a ratio of 50/50 but for some reason, this bottle seems thicker. And it's not wicking as well either. I find I'm having to do the dry pulls, put my finger over the air hole and suck to get juice into the chamber... I didn't have to do this the first couple of days with this same build. Is anyone vaping pure 100%VG juice? Like boba's bounty? Is it wicking well for you?

To be honest, I've not had any problems. On this build I started off with some DIY 50/50 juice, went through 3 tank fills. Then changed to a pre-mix 80/20 - I'm on my second tank fill now. No problems at all. Unless it's because I've gone from a thicker juice to a thinner one

 

[Rule62]

I'm beginning to think the thickness of the juice has something to do with wicking also. My current build is one it's third day. The first 2 days were flawless... perfect wicking. I refilled it last night before going to bed and noticed that my juice was thicker than usual. I diy and use a ratio of 50/50 but for some reason, this bottle seems thicker. And it's not wicking as well either. I find I'm having to do the dry pulls, put my finger over the air hole and suck to get juice into the chamber... I didn't have to do this the first couple of days with this same build. Is anyone vaping pure 100%VG juice? Like boba's bounty? Is it wicking well for you?

The next time you mix a batch of juice, try adding a little distilled water, to thin out the VG, and see if it wicks any better.

 

[turbocad6]

it's not uncommon for me to wind up having to take a few extra primer pulls here and there after filling the tank and not leaving enough extra air bubble, once the tank empties slightly and more air bubble is in there, then it'll start to wick well again.

so far going on the second full day of the vertical straight through ribbon coil setup I showed here, so far I can say that it's very good, very intense hits, maybe even a little too much for me, hot strong very flavorful hits, the hit is so warm that I can feel myself actually licking the vape with the tip of my tongue, def a nico OD type hit, if you want as close to the hit of smoking a real cig then def try the vertical up the center coil with wick around the outside perimeter of the coil, heat and throat hit like I've never experienced with the kayfun before. this is probably one of the most direct ways of getting a vape straight from the coil to the tip as possible, the airstream sucks the vape right from the coil to your mouth with the least amount of turbulence and shortest most direct path you could do, totally laminar air flow straight from the coil to your mouth, it's almost like a mini blow torch in intensity... I think this setup at a little over 12 watts might just be a little too intense for me though because I feel like I've vaped way more than I actually have, you know that feeling of overdoing it when you chain vape way more than you normally would. for those that want a more intense vape def try something like this

 

[-SMT-]

Is anyone vaping pure 100%VG juice? Like boba's bounty? Is it wicking well for you?

Boba's is my main vape, I rotate between it and Grants VC (50/50) and MFS Bubblegum (100VG). Works best when fresh new wicks are changed out when switching flavors.

When Boba's goes in, I have had best results by completely flooding the wick during a fresh wick install. (When the clean new wick is installed, I drip and flood the wick, coil area so its completely saturated, now its primed I let 'er sit for 5 min. to soak). Again, a small diameter, "thin" wick is imperative with Boba's.

After testing different micro coil builds now, I'm starting to see where the low sub ohm coils are coming into play here. My latest build now is using 26g and running at 0.7Ω with less coil wraps.

I have been getting much better results using sub ohm coil and a mechanical, than higher ohm coil and the provari VV. What I believe is happening, is the complete, intense vaporization of the juice at the immediate coil area, It seems to be much more efficient at vaporizing the juice.

When I built coils like 1.2Ω and up, the coil takes much longer to heat, the juice gets vaporized, but at a low level by the time the coil is good and ready....read on...

The sub low ohm coil is instant heat. There is plenty juice at the immediate coil area on a correctly sized cotton wick at the beginning of a vape. Vaporization is immensely more efficient with the available juice, resulting in a wicking process that is easily kept up. Especially critical on thicker juices.

The great folks in the micro thread are finding 0.6Ω-0.8Ω in a micro coil with no more than 8 wraps is becoming optimal.
0.7 Ω and whatever wire will give you 8 wraps or less is what they're aiming for, providing instant heat and the best results.
I'm convinced now, this being an important part of efficient micro coil/cotton vaporizing, without getting dry hits.

Makes sense why some people are getting a good vape, then it tapers off getting dry. A coil that takes too long to heat up, or one that has too much wire/coils is inefficiently vaporizing what juice is the immediate coil area. The localized juice is fully vaporized but at a low level, meanwhile you keep pulling and pulling to reach the acceptable volume of vape. Particularly with thick juice.
One hit 'pulls', after sitting awhile, are great....Consecutive pulls, and chain vaping....wicking cannot keep up with a setup like this.

The efficiency process seems to be critical using a KFL, and how its wicking is designed. Micro coils is where its at, but, imo, they really need to be setup correctly. Silica/ekowool is much less involved, easier....but flavor performance of cotton is premium!

Hey, whatever works is good too......