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[AMDTrucking]

On that note... This latest build in 1/2 way through its 3rd (!!) tank using NETs with the same wick.. Still going w/ no dry hits or burning. Though it is starting to drop off in quality. I think I found my build that works! And, I can push it to 2-3 refills if needed

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IMHO, Your wick is perfect. But your coil is not so perfect on that picture.
If you are trying to make a Micro Coil, you need to squeeze those coils together. You can do it off your device by squeezing them with a pair of tweezers while torching it to glow red-hot. Or on the device by firing it until it glows, releasing your fire button and squeezing them when they are still red-hot. Remember, RELEASING FIRE BUTTON before you squeeze them is the most important operation. If you intentionally left spacing in between the coils, you've got to make sure that your coils are evenly spaced. One more thing: A lot of people, myself included, like to put their wire around the screw in counterclockwise instead of the way you did it on one of your screw. That way, when you tighten the screw, it will not pull your wire and mess up your coil. Just IMHO.

 

[Robinowitz]

Are you saying they didnt place the coil across the deck, but more angled? If so, than thats cool.. Lotta peeps do it that way.

Actually more than slanted. It is exactly in the middle of the screws (if it were longer it could touch each screw). No biggie. I have a few minutes today and will re-coil to check out the difference. Will report if my findings are earth shattering . Thank you!

 

[Fir3b1rd]

On that note... This latest build in 1/2 way through its 3rd (!!) tank using NETs with the same wick.. Still going w/ no dry hits or burning. Though it is starting to drop off in quality. I think I found my build that works! And, I can push it to 2-3 refills if needed

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No better feeling than finding what works for you!
That's my favorite part of vaping, hearing everyone's opinions and advice than taking that info and plating around till you figure out your method. Now I'm finding I like different set ups and tanks for different flavors.

 

[Rossum]

I am not trying to bash clones, but had a bad experience with the very first clones I bought.

Nice. Quality Control? Nope, they obviously haven't got any. That's one of the things you pay for when you buy a product made by a respectable manufacturer -- you know someone that actually looks at the stuff to make sure it's right during various stages of the manufacturing process? I wonder just how many they shipped like that?

 

[AMDTrucking]

Another Big Kayfun like 28.5mm Tank from EHPro. I think this one is actually going to work. IMO

 

[AMDTrucking]

Hcigar kayfun 3.1 clone. Bought 2 and they were both duds. They would always dry hit after vaping the initial juice used to prime the cotton wicks. Almost gave up on kayfuns style atties until i did some research, and found out that the vertical channels weren't cut properly. A couple of minutes with the dremel, and all was good. Also the edges on the SS tank rings were extremely sharp, and would shred up my fingers whenever I needed to clean them.

2 weeks later I received my 2 authentic KFL v2. The threading was much smoother, and the edges of the SS tank rings were smooth. I did have some issues with dry hits, since my modded 3.1 kayfun clone had bigger channels, but after a quick post on this forum, i had things sorted out.

I am not trying to bash clones, but had a bad experience with the very first clones I bought. Everything that I've read indicated that Hcigar makes quality 1:1 clones, yet that wasn't the case in my situation.

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BTW, I have read this read this entire thread. Had I done so, I would've known to place my wick ends just above the channels, and use a little bit more cotton. Those 2 things solved my dry hit issues with my 2 authentic KFL v2. Thanks Donnah!

This one is even worse then mine. I feel for you.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Another Big Kayfun like 28.5mm Tank from EHPro. I think this one is actually going to work. IMO

I'm excited to see them and hcigar labeling their own products with their own name!
Overall their products are great quality and they can definitely stand on their own!
No. Not the same quality of svoemesto or kebo;but definitely the highest quality of Chinese mfgs.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Hcigar kayfun 3.1 clone. Bought 2 and they were both duds. They would always dry hit after vaping the initial juice used to prime the cotton wicks. Almost gave up on kayfuns style atties until i did some research, and found out that the vertical channels weren't cut properly. A couple of minutes with the dremel, and all was good. Also the edges on the SS tank rings were extremely sharp, and would shred up my fingers whenever I needed to clean them.

2 weeks later I received my 2 authentic KFL v2. The threading was much smoother, and the edges of the SS tank rings were smooth. I did have some issues with dry hits, since my modded 3.1 kayfun clone had bigger channels, but after a quick post on this forum, i had things sorted out.

I am not trying to bash clones, but had a bad experience with the very first clones I bought. Everything that I've read indicated that Hcigar makes quality 1:1 clones, yet that wasn't the case in my situation.

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BTW, I have read this read this entire thread. Had I done so, I would've known to place my wick ends just above the channels, and use a little bit more cotton. Those 2 things solved my dry hit issues with my 2 authentic KFL v2. Thanks Donnah!

That is definitely bad, I feel for you. That's not eh norm from ehpro, far from it. Unless that was made on training day or something.
I've seen that from other clones that people have gotten but every ehpro or hcigar product I've seen as been phenomenal. They usually rival the authentic with the exception of the threading not being quite as smooth and a few other small details that MOST people wont notice.
Side by side my parts will interchange-between authentic and clone- but the clone threads aren't as smooth, the juice channels not finished as well and the insulator is not as good- top three give aways that stick out to me between my authentics and higher quality clones (ehpro/hcigar)

 

[qorax]

Meshing with my Erl Queen

More pics here (Post #511): http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...83-erlkoenigin-pictorial-52.html#post13629289

 

[ricks]

Even hcigar makes crappy ones... Wow I thought you guys said this could not happen.

That is definitely bad, I feel for you. That's not eh norm from ehpro, far from it. Unless that was made on training day or something.
I've seen that from other clones that people have gotten but every ehpro or hcigar product I've seen as been phenomenal. They usually rival the authentic with the exception of the threading not being quite as smooth and a few other small details that MOST people wont notice.
Side by side my parts will interchange-between authentic and clone- but the clone threads aren't as smooth, the juice channels not finished as well and the insulator is not as good- top three give aways that stick out to me between my authentics and higher quality clones (ehpro/hcigar)

 

[Kingzkross]

This one is even worse then mine. I feel for you.

That is definitely bad, I feel for you. That's not eh norm from ehpro, far from it. Unless that was made on training day or something.

HCigar being know for making a quality 1:1 clone I expected great things, and thought it was my builds, and never the atty itself. Coming from genesis styled atties, I knew that building a kayfun couldn't be this complicated. Several days of getting burnt hit, after burnt hit, changing my coil diameter, increasing my resistance, more cotton, less cotton, wasting juice, i was ready to give up. The only thing that kept me from throwing them away was those first few awesome vapes that I got from vaping the primed wicks.

As for how many were made that poorly, I'm not sure. I just know that the 2 I bought were extremely poorly machined. The only thought that comes to my mind are to those that may have bought a kayfun from the same batch, and have given up on such a great atty, not knowing that atty itself was defective.

From now on, I only buy authentic devices. There's no second guessing the device itself, and if something is wrong, I know that I'm the cause.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Even hcigar makes crappy ones... Wow I thought you guys said this could not happen.

Did you read my post before you quotes it?
Key phrase:
Not the norm
Usually
?????

I believe the possibility was implied YESTERDAY when the discussion of lack of consistent quality control was had.
While it doesn't happen as often; I'm NOT shocked to see that it's happened. I am one person, one buyer and have one opinion.
Granted I've seen VERY FEW failures of there qc(quality control) through my friends shop. None of which were nearly as bad as this example.
I continue to stand by my OPINION ;however, that the products from ehpro and hcigar are far BETTER and higher quality than the other run of the mill Chinese clones. at the same time the quality of ehpro and hcigar is NOT as high as that of the authentic; hence the price of the authentic.It's close but no cigar(pun intended). To pay employees to verify quality is kept costs the company money; that cost has to be absorbed by the consumer. Owning a few and seeing the difference makes it worth it to me.
I know that you love your 14 dollar clones and I'm glad that you do, after all that's what vaping is about loving your gear and getting the nicotine delivery you want out of it. Essentially that's all it is - various ways of delivering nicotine into your lungs safer than burning tobacco wrapped in paper. However when it comes to gear and quality of material and manufacturing the highest quality will be the authentic; certain clone manufacturers have garnered much higher quality than others; I continue to see EHpro and Hcigsr to be top of the pack in that department when it comes to attys. that doesn't mean fool proof that means a less frequency of subpar equipment. I'm happy to see them finally putting out their own stuff. I'll probably be a regular customer of it. I'm still glad I have my authentic r91s,KFLs and taifuns. I'm glad to do my part and support the innovators of the equipment that we all enjoy using to deliver that nicotine in a more efficient and enjoyable way; while still buying clones as they do have their place.
I'm glad when I lost my mod last week that it was an ehpro caravela and kflv2 and not my authentic; losing the sony vtc5 battery hurt more.

 

[AMDTrucking]

And how long, do you thing this box of 500' of CelluCotton 100% Rayon Fibers will lest?
Before something new will come along to replace it...

 

[Fir3b1rd]

And how long, do you thing this box of 500' of CelluCotton 100% Rayon Fibers will lest?
Before something new will come along to replace it...

Lmao!!!! I've had 2 ft for 3 weeks now and I've used 5 inches maybe..

 

[Bronze]

HCigar makes excellent clones. That doesn't mean I haven't heard of problems with some of their products. But they are far and few between. I'm sorry, but I have heard far more complaints regarding cheap Chinese clones...fsr, far more including crap I have purchased over the last couple of years.. And I have yet to hear a single QC issue with the authentic SM KFLs (except some slight leaking from the fill screw with the first run KFLs)) and anyone is free to correct me there.

 

[Rossum]

And how long, do you thing this box of 500' of CelluCotton 100% Rayon Fibers will lest?

Well, some back of the envelope math: If you cut pieces a bit over an inch to make wicks from, and each such piece makes 3-4 wicks; that means a box is good for between 15,000 and 20,000 wicks. Moreover, let's suppose that on average, you re-wick one atty every day... Then the box should last you at least 40 years.

 

[Rossum]

I'm excited to see them and hcigar labeling their own products with their own name!

Not just labelling, but actually designing something that isn't just a 1:1 clone of something else.

Personally, I don't need or want a 26650 sized dual-coil monstrosity of a tank, but if I did, I'd be looking closely at that one.

 

[Robinowitz]

And how long, do you thing this box of 500' of CelluCotton 100% Rayon Fibers will lest?
Before something new will come along to replace it...

As they say, "have back-ups for your back-ups!" Now I know who to ask when I run low on my large bag....in about 10 years!!

up-date: I re-coiled (B&M had wicked it with the coil running between the screws). I re-coiled so that the coil is running in the direction of the juice grooves. (Not sure of wording. I would love to chalk it up to "English being my second language" but it's not...tee hee
Anyway, same set-up and ohms as first one, just different direction (as in all the tutorials). 28 g, 9/10 wraps, 1/16. 1.5 ohms.

it seems that the "correct way" heats up quicker and I get bigger clouds. Taste is the same, which is fantastic. Hmmm, guess it does pay to follow directions

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Not just labelling, but actually designing something that isn't just a 1:1 clone of something else.

Personally, I don't need or want a 26650 sized dual-coil monstrosity of a tank, but if I did, I'd be looking closely at that one.

It took me a while to accept the shape of a tube mod, I can't handle the girth of a 26650.
It's just too much; John Holmes and Linda Lovelace is laughing someplace at the sight of that.
In all seriousness I'm finding myself putting. Nano kits on my standard size KFLs and Taifuns only to increase the frequency of flavor changes lately I'm sure it's just a phase; but I can't picture ever wanting that mug juice in a tank. The first leak or drop will drive me insane.

 

[vapdivrr]

I am so grateful for this KFL plus thread. I've been wanting to get into RBT's and was pleased to see the lack of "leak factor" for pocket friendliness in regards to the KFL plus. I adore my Reo but sometimes a tank is necessary for my out and about life. I picked one up at a local B&M last week and have been really, really enjoying it. The B&M wicked it for me (30 gauge, 1/16 @ 1.6 ohms). They were a bit heavy on the cotton, so I re-wicked with less organic and all is fine.

my question has to do with the position of the coils. The pics (great tutorial!) and videos have the coils vertical to the screws. The B&M placed this one horizontal. Any experience with this?

Like I said, I am pleased but this is my first KFL plus and am loving to learn. Yes, I have a Provari and multi-meter.

thank you.

I think I have heard this before about a b & m store placing a coil parallel to the screws. What's this about?