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edit: whats yalls opinions on the japanese cottons (KGD/labo) vs rayon cellucotton on the kayfun?

IMHO: Rayon > Cotton... including Japanese cotton grown without fertilizers etc.

however... you should probably try them both since YMMV

EDIT: I don't like that brand, cause the name doesn't sound all Japanese :p But, it does sound Vapee :)
 

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Y M Will V; each has its proponents, each has its advantages.

My op:
Rayon definitely lasts longer between changes. JCotton usually tastes better to me. Both are easy to work with and both wick liquid very well. I go back and forth.

I sometimes (when I'm bored, adventurous, or a bit obsessive) roll rayon around a core of Jcotton. Rayon shrinks when soaked; the cotton swells. And the outer coat of rayon prevents the wick from singeing.

I also use and like J&J surgical cotton because I happen to have it from years past. Seems better than your average cotton balls. Probably placebo effect.
 
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So guys and gals my VS rDNA 40 arrived and I`m happy as a clam (are clams happy) vaping at 8.5 watts!!! I know right, mega watts! :D
You may remember that with the iStick I was pretty much always at the lowest wattage allowed for by the build resistance and still finding the vapor nasty hot and usually a bit burnt tasting. My Stick must be posessed, it too is retired unless I decide to run over it with a truck!
 

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So guys and gals my VS rDNA 40 arrived and I`m happy as a clam (are clams happy) vaping at 8.5 watts!!! I know right, mega watts! :D
You may remember that with the iStick I was pretty much always at the lowest wattage allowed for by the build resistance and still finding the vapor nasty hot and usually a bit burnt tasting. My Stick must be posessed, it too is retired unless I decide to run over it with a truck!

Weird. I've been using my Istick for over a month now with my KFL+ and it's awesome at 6-8w depending on the juice.

I'm getting ansty. I ordered a Hana clone and rDNA 40. I'm seriously considering getting the DNA 30 for the past couple of days just to get me thru this waiting period. :facepalm:
 

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Weird. I've been using my Istick for over a month now with my KFL+ and it's awesome at 6-8w depending on the juice.

I'm getting ansty. I ordered a Hana clone and rDNA 40. I'm seriously considering getting the DNA 30 for the past couple of days just to get me thru this waiting period. :facepalm:

Yes it is weird, the iStick was inconsistent too. Very occasionally it worked OK for a brief time. For example the first 40 mins then boom, burnt coil. :ohmy:
A 3 ohm coil in my R 91% was the best result. I got some awesome hits with that but I got many nasty hits for every good one ended up reaching for an EVOD more often. :laugh: I suspect components are out of spec, bad ground or cold solder joints.

I hope you get some DNA goodness soon, unless something drastic happens I`ll have more Sharks. Probably not until the DNA 25 is out, then decide VS DNA, VS DNA 30, 40 or 25. Although the rDNA 40 is larger and heaver it fits my mitt perfectly. I have 4 grips so far that are comfy and it just sits in my hand. The iStick I have to squeeze to hold and I notice more hand fatigue with it. Yeah, I`m chain vaper.
 

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You guys aren't helping!

I mentioned I have already have 2 mods coming, right? I shouldn't spend any more money on vape stuff for at least a few months.:lol:

Ok, so I can't say that without laughing.

I'm gonna call the shop tomorrow to see if they have any DNA 30's in stock. But I'm not gonna buy. Nope. I won't. Really.
 

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:lol: OK we can do this together, you don`t but the DNA 30 and I won`t buy the Magma and Origen 2 and the Nano kit.... errr oops to late, guess you can get the DNA 30, sorry :facepalm:

I expect the DNA 30 is a sweet little beast, the sad thing is I would have got one long ago but based on my iStick I concluded I was a super light weight vaper and the 7 watt minimum for the DNA 30 was way to high. :lol:

This sure is nice, got a 10 wrap 28 gauge 1.83 ohm coil chain vaping at 7.5 watts for about 3:30 hours and every hit is consistent and great, no hand fatigue at all.
 

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Don't feel bad. Coincidentally I've been looking up the Cloupor DNA 30 clones all night he he.. Finally looked up the VS but they're a bit out of my budget, even the Cloupor is pushing it. I loooove my MVP, but one with a replaceable battery is even better! Although 30w is a bit overkill, I never go above 10w but who knows!

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:lol: OK we can do this together, you don`t but the DNA 30 and I won`t buy the Magma and Origen 2 and the Nano kit.... errr oops to late, guess you can get the DNA 30, sorry :facepalm:

I expect the DNA 30 is a sweet little beast, the sad thing is I would have got one long ago but based on my iStick I concluded I was a super light weight vaper and the 7 watt minimum for the DNA 30 was way to high. :lol:

This sure is nice, got a 10 wrap 28 gauge 1.83 ohm coil chain vaping at 7.5 watts for about 3:30 hours and every hit is consistent and great, no hand fatigue at all.

The Istick has the same limitations as the DNA 30. 4v minimum. Most people that buy a DNA 30 device knows it doesn't step down but the average Istick buyer doesn't and some complain about it. The Istick does Vavg rather than RMS so the 3v Vavg (Mean) is actually closer to 4v. That's why I vape at lower wattages on the Istick.

I just called the shop and they sold their last DNA 30 a day ago. Whew, dodged that bullet :p. They did say that they should be getting the rDNA 40 next week sometime.


Don't feel bad. Coincidentally I've been looking up the Cloupor DNA 30 clones all night he he.. Finally looked up the VS but they're a bit out of my budget, even the Cloupor is pushing it. I loooove my MVP, but one with a replaceable battery is even better! Although 30w is a bit overkill, I never go above 10w but who knows!

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If you want to save a few bucks, Focalecig is having a group buy on their Hana clone made by KSD for $37.90. It's shipping from China so figure about 3 weeks. They have a US warehouse that has a silver for $45 and black for $48. There is a code for 10% off but it doesn't work for stuff in the US warehouse (code: fcvapingcheap)


Focalecig -Best E-Cigarettes - Worldwide Free Shipping
$42.27 (Ship from USA)HANAA MODZ DNA30 Mod - Silver(18650)
$47.27 (Ship form USA)HANAA MODZ Pack DNA 30 Style Mod - black

I ordered a blue one from China so I can mod it. $43.99 shipped.

I should mention, I found out that this clone might still have the pause to fire from sleep issue. I say "might" because the guys I've heard it from ordered theirs a couple of months ago.
 

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The iStick uses Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) at low frequency rates. It has the effect of raising the voltage quite considerably (along with other problems). There is no way I can explain it here without taking an hour to do it. I'm lazy. But research it yourself if it interests you. VAMO and Lavatube incorporated a PWM option and it was resoundingly rejected because the users did not like how it burned juice. You can compensate by lowering your voltage aprox 10 - 20% and that helps. Actually, PWM is an excellent technology for e-cigs (very efficient). But when done at low hertz/frequency levels (say 33 - 50hz like the iStick) it sucks IMO and many others opinion. That said, at high frequencies, it rocks! Provari, for example, uses PWM at very high frequencies (some 800 or 900 hz). Another reason why a Provari is expensive. But you tend to get what you pay for. :)
 

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The Istick has the same limitations as the DNA 30. 4v minimum. Most people that buy a DNA 30 device knows it doesn't step down but the average Istick buyer doesn't and some complain about it. The Istick does Vavg rather than RMS so the 3v Vavg (Mean) is actually closer to 4v. That's why I vape at lower wattages on the Istick.

I just called the shop and they sold their last DNA 30 a day ago. Whew, dodged that bullet :p. They did say that they should be getting the rDNA 40 next week sometime.




If you want to save a few bucks, Focalecig is having a group buy on their Hana clone made by KSD for $37.90. It's shipping from China so figure about 3 weeks. They have a US warehouse that has a silver for $45 and black for $48. There is a code for 10% off but it doesn't work for stuff in the US warehouse (code: fcvapingcheap)


Focalecig -Best E-Cigarettes - Worldwide Free Shipping
$42.27 (Ship from USA)HANAA MODZ DNA30 Mod - Silver(18650)
$47.27 (Ship form USA)HANAA MODZ Pack DNA 30 Style Mod - black

I ordered a blue one from China so I can mod it. $43.99 shipped.

I should mention, I found out that this clone might still have the pause to fire from sleep issue. I say "might" because the guys I've heard it from ordered theirs a couple of months ago.
Actually in the last couple of days I've been debating with my inner shopaholic twin if I should get a mini hana clone, rip its guts out and install a dna 40 and a 18650 battery in it... It would be so fun to do... Only problem is that the dna 40 boards can't be trusted right now, especially in Europe (rma would be a headache) so I'll have to wait a bit



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Actually in the last couple of days I've been debating with my inner shopaholic twin if I should get a mini hana clone, rip its guts out and install a dna 40 and a 18650 battery in it... It would be so fun to do... Only problem is that the dna 40 boards can't be trusted right now, especially in Europe (rma would be a headache) so I'll have to wait a bit



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I've been on the fence about a Hana clone for a few months, going back and forth between the regular and mini. You need to mill out the battery compartment in the mini and not all mini's are the same size, even from the same vendor, so it might or might not work. There's no definitive answer so you buy at your own risk. That's why I just went with the full size. And it's fairly inexpensive.

My plan is to just use it as is and get ideas on making it better. Then upgrade stuff and go with a DNA 40. I already have a VT 510 connector and ordered a couple of fire buttons (12mm) and thread tap for the 510 connector. I've been eyeing a drill press for a few years for other stuff but I got by with my newish cordless drill. I'm pretty good with a drill but even a slight cant on the 510 would get on my nerves so I got the drill press. It's not a project unless you have to buy tools, right? :D

I still might get a mini. Worst case, I'd put a better 1200mah lipo and upgrade the 510 and fire buttons and still have a pretty good vw mod.
 

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The ft mini case is a headache as its 68mm tall but the ft mini assembled unit is 72mm so that gives you room to work and it doesn't have the seam crossing the 510 base. It's more expensive but you can use it before starting to modify stuff.

I agree... A perfect excuse to buy some tools :)

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The iStick uses Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) at low frequency rates. It has the effect of raising the voltage quite considerably (along with other problems). There is no way I can explain it here without taking an hour to do it. I'm lazy. But research it yourself if it interests you. VAMO and Lavatube incorporated a PWM option and it was resoundingly rejected because the users did not like how it burned juice. You can compensate by lowering your voltage aprox 10 - 20% and that helps. Actually, PWM is an excellent technology for e-cigs (very efficient). But when done at low hertz/frequency levels (say 33 - 50hz like the iStick) it sucks IMO and many others opinion. That said, at high frequencies, it rocks! Provari, for example, uses PWM at very high frequencies (some 800 or 900 hz). Another reason why a Provari is expensive. But you tend to get what you pay for. :)

I thought the Provari has a flat signal?? I did not know it was PWM'd???
 

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I thought the Provari has a flat signal?? I did not know it was PWM'd???

Yes, Provari uses PWM. Somewhere in the belly of their website they state they incorporate PWM. But it is at a VERY high frequency rate so if you mapped it on a scope it would appear flat (unlike the cheapy mods like the old VAMO and Lavatube or today's iStick).

Sixth question down. Frequently Asked Questions
 

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I thought the Provari has a flat signal?? I did not know it was PWM'd???

Yes, Provari uses PWM. Somewhere in the belly of their website they state they incorporate PWM. But it is at a VERY high frequency rate so if you mapped it on a scope it would appear flat (unlike the cheapy mods like the old VAMO and Lavatube or today's iStick).

Sixth question down. Frequently Asked Questions
 

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Yes, Provari uses PWM. Somewhere in the belly of their website they state they incorporate PWM. But it is at a VERY high frequency rate so if you mapped it on a scope it would appear flat (unlike the cheapy mods like the old VAMO and Lavatube or today's iStick).

Sixth question down. Frequently Asked Questions
Quick question:
When you stated cheapy mods like the lavatube,....I hope you were not referring to the Lavatube 2.5? I own that device and it is not cheaply made at all.The LT 2.0 and LT 2.5 were the only two LT's that were not cheaply made.The 2.5 comes with VV/VW also.
 

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Quick question:
When you stated cheapy mods like the lavatube,....I hope you were not referring to the Lavatube 2.5? I own that device and it is not cheaply made at all.The LT 2.0 and LT 2.5 were the only two LT's that were not cheaply made.The 2.5 comes with VV/VW also.

The last Lavatube I bought was probably two years ago. Whatever that version was....can't remember.
 
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