KGO Advice needed

[John D in CT]

I don't know the specific condition of the AW battery or the Li-Po battery used in the Hoosier video. Anyone who didn't produce the video is just guessing in this respect.

Anyway, I'm not going to get into criticizing product presentation techniques used in sales promotion videos. That's way beyond the scope of this thread, and way off-subject.

It is fair to compare the performance capabilities of different Li-ion battery types used in PVs and APVs. In the case of the Li-Po battery used by SLB for the relatively inexpensive KGO there are some very interesting advantages over the IMRs that are used in some very high priced devices.

"Anyway, I'm not going to get into criticizing product presentation techniques used in sales promotion videos. That's way beyond the scope of this thread, and way off-subject".

Well shucks, you don't hef'ta - I reckon a'll jus' go ahead 'n' crittysize 'em for ya then. 'N' seein' as how this here thread is about kGo bat'ries, I reckon a'll jus' leave it up to them there mod'raters to figger on wut'll stay and wut'll go.

"It is fair to compare the performance capabilities of different Li-ion battery types used in PVs and APVs. In the case of the Li-Po battery used by SLB for the relatively inexpensive KGO there are some very interesting advantages over the IMRs that are used in some very high priced devices ..."

Well I reckon we're on the same page there, pard - that's purdy much wut ah wuz sayin' here:

"Bullete, I think you know I ain't fixin' to tussle with you no-how, but I just gotta say that I got no beef with them two bat'ries bein' dif'rnt types; I just cain't cotton up t'nobody sayin' that that there kGo bat'ry jes' flat-out "out-preforms" that there AW bat'ry".

And I've had me plenty a' Joe, 'n' lots o' vapes, but dadgum it, a'm still stuck on "fer the life a' me, I just cain't see how them fellers only got 3.45 measly volts outta that big ol' honkin' 3.7/4.2 volt IMR bat'ry. Mebbe sum fellers a durn sight smarter than me kin shed some light on this mess, cuz I still smell me a rat somm'ers".

 

[yzer]

"Anyway, I'm not going to get into criticizing product presentation techniques used in sales promotion videos. That's way beyond the scope of this thread, and way off-subject".

Well shucks, you don't hef'ta - I reckon a'll jus' go ahead 'n' crittysize 'em for ya then. 'N' seein' as how this here thread is about kGo bat'ries, I reckon a'll jus' leave it up to them there mod'raters to figger on wut'll stay and wut'll go.

"It is fair to compare the performance capabilities of different Li-ion battery types used in PVs and APVs. In the case of the Li-Po battery used by SLB for the relatively inexpensive KGO there are some very interesting advantages over the IMRs that are used in some very high priced devices ..."

Well I reckon we're on the same page there, pard - that's purdy much wut ah wuz sayin' here:

"Bullete, I think you know I ain't fixin' to tussle with you no-how, but I just gotta say that I got no beef with them two bat'ries bein' dif'rnt types; I just cain't cotton up t'nobody sayin' that that there kGo bat'ry jes' flat-out "out-preforms" that there AW bat'ry".

And I've had me plenty a' Joe, 'n' lots o' vapes, but dadgum it, a'm still stuck on "fer the life a' me, I just cain't see how them fellers only got 3.45 measly volts outta that big ol' honkin' 3.7/4.2 volt IMR bat'ry. Mebbe sum fellers a durn sight smarter than me kin shed some light on this mess, cuz I still smell me a rat somm'ers".

I really enjoy the way you can transcribe the regionalism of your speech patterns into prose. It closely resembles the regional accents and usage I heard in rural Connecticut many years ago.

 

[Bullette the Cowdog]

I don't know the specific condition of the AW battery or the Li-Po battery used in the Hoosier video. Anyone who didn't produce the video is just guessing in this respect.

Anyway, I'm not going to get into criticizing product presentation techniques used in sales promotion videos. That's way beyond the scope of this thread, and way off-subject.

It is fair to compare the performance capabilities of different Li-ion battery types used in PVs and APVs. In the case of the Li-Po battery used by SLB for the relatively inexpensive KGO there are some very interesting advantages over the IMRs that are used in some very high priced devices.

Yep. Yzer is right. We got way off topic.
Bad dog Bullette. Bad dog.
Woof!

 

[John D in CT]

I really enjoy the way you can transcribe the regionalism of your speech patterns into prose. It closely resembles the regional accents and usage I heard in rural Connecticut many years ago.

Hmm, cain't rightly cipher if them there are kind words or harsh-uns, but t'either way, I reckon we-uns is all on th' same team here, and jist wanna git to the bottum o' this here cornundrum.

Ennybuddy seen that ol' sodbuster "Rader" ennywheres? Iffin' so, I reckon we cud use his 'sperience 'n' great big noggin t'figger out what in tarnation is up with this here puzzlement, and how that pore ol' IMR bat'ry came out a'lookin' so porely in that there "test".

Rader, iffin' yore around these parts, cud ya please stop into the ol' "Lazy ECF Ranch" 'n' set a spell? A'd be a-thankin' ya kindly iffin' ya did.

 

[John D in CT]

I finally got around to reading the comments to the YouTube video. "bamccullough" is Brent from Hoosier eCig Supply, who narrated the video and conducted the "test".

From the "Comments" section:

bamccullough - "I think it may be the mod itself causing the voltage drop. I may need to redo this test with a mod that lets the power flow a little better than the bombshell that I used in the original video".

Someone: "Ur aw IMRs must be bad... Mine are at 4 v under load"

bamccullough - "I've pretty well concluded that this particular 18650 IMR must be a dud. The IMR14500 that I got at the same time works alot better, but that's not to say that my ego batteries don't hold their own, they do, but I think this one particular 18650 IMR is weak".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFZjvTyKKUk Hoosier kGo vs. IMR video

Legitimate (IMO) questions:

Why is this video still on the Hoosier website?

Is it entirely "transparent" to say that a battery that can be had for $9.50 all day long costs $16-17? Yes, the reviewer says "that's what I paid, I think", but did he really shop around?

AW IMR18650 1600mAh LiMN rechargeable lithium battery

(The battery in the video is a 1600mah AW IMR 18650, which is $1 less than the 2000mah).

Is it possible that the device that the IMR battery was used in bumped into an amp limit that dropped the voltage down? This seems to me more likely than the battery being defective; it did put out 4.25 volts with no load (a bit overcharged actually, IMO - I like to keep it at 4.2, which is what my XTAR WP6 puts out).

*****

The kGo was putting out 3.84 volts on the 1.5 ohm dual coil carto.

3.84 x 3.84 / 1.5 = 9.83 watts @ 2.56 amps

The AW IMR was putting out 3.45 volts on the same dual coil carto.

3.45 x 3.45 / 1.5 = 7.94 watts @ 2.3 amps.

I have dealt with Hoosier and have nothing but good things to say, and will certainly and gladly do business with them in the future. That said, I do think this video should be pulled from the Hoosier website and from YouTube.

 

[blong]

I went off and got me a 650 twist John. Should be here tomorrow.

 

[anavidfan]

You know, unflavored juice isn't that bad at all. You will find several very experienced vapers in the DIY forum that use it. I started the unflavored this weekend after developing an allergy to PG (or perhaps a flavor additive).

Mine is 100% VG with a little distilled water to thin it. Not much taste when exhaled through the mouth. Exhaling through the nose brings out a noticeable flavor. I taste something like unflavored cotton candy or slightly toasted marshmallow. Tons of TH at 20 mg and lots of vapor.

I'm liking the unflavored so much it might be a while before I start to experiment with flavor additives. A lot of flavoring is required for 100% VG so I may not ever go there.

I just recently ordered 100% vg with 24mg nic and some 100% pg with no nic from myfreedomsmokes. real cheap and you end up with tons of unflavored juice. Sometimes it kinda nice to have a clean no flavor juice, sort of cleans the taste buds. I also bought some flavor concentrate from them and add about 5 drops to about 12ml of the unflavored juice as a change up. I got the orange and some lemon. Its nice to just have something clean to vape on and it saves you money not only on the fact that it is cheap to make, but it saves you money when tinkering with new equipment. How many times have I spilled my special juices on the counter or lap when learning to fill a new juice delivery item.

 

[anavidfan]

Oh Im sure the OP by now has found a sweet spot with what ever they have decided to go with, but I have to add, I recently got one of the vivi nova tanks, it is wonderful, easy to put together, clean taste, easy to get going. Only thing you have to do is make sure the little wicks stay wet. Its not hard or complicated, just tip you PV top down every once in a while or tip it back and forth. Heck, even a carto has to be dripped , or a carto in a tank, you occasionally have to do a dry draw to get the juice on the top of the filler. Make sure if you do decide to get one, to get the V2.5 with the short wicks. They had a few problems with enough ventilation keeping it cool and having better draws on it. It is much better than the Kanger CE4 I got a month ago. The Kanger tends to get too hot, and not having a way to keep the juice from spilling out of the drip tip it has to stay upright and its kinda a pain to have to make sure it is upright at all time, you have to constantly worry about where Im putting it, or getting knocked off a table.The vivi does not leak and you can use it in any angle without worry, heck its a great bed vape for watching tv at night.

 

[Bullette the Cowdog]

@JohnD
I think you found the answer to the Kgogate video!
The "amp limit" kicked in and lowered the voltage.
Good job
Bullette says woof!

 

[yzer]

@JohnD
I think you found the answer to the Kgogate video!
The "amp limit" kicked in and lowered the voltage.
Good job
Bullette says woof!

Which PV was used with the AW battery in the video?

 

[blong]

Figured i'd chime in on this here twist...

One word. Awesome. Set to 3.7 on this new mini nova, not bad. Haven't started upping the volts but this thing is kicking harder at 3.7 than my KGO off the charger. The 650 is almost exactly the same size as the 1000+ KGO.

I only ordered one of these minis... big mistake

 

[ByeByeCoffinNails]

I have two Kgos and a 1000mAh Twist.

I run 2.1-2.4 ohm 'Stardust' type clearomisers on all three. There is no problem with the draw- none whatsoever.

The best voltage on the Twist for these clearomisers is 4.4 volts.

I don't understand the fuss.