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The standard-sized Nova comes with 3 heads, "nominally" rated 1.8 ohms, 2.4 ohms, and 2.8 ohms. I say "nominally" because I just checked the heads that came with one of mine, and the 1.8 is actually 2.1, the 2.4 is actually 2.8, and the 2.8 really is 2.8. (To me, this underscores the importance of owning a simple $10-30 multimeter as a means of eliminating guesswork, learning how this all works, and optimizing your vape).
For a kGo putting out, say, 4.1 volts:
Ohm's Law: volts times volts divided by resistance = watts
4.1 x 4.1 / 1.8 = 9.3 watts (Goldilocks [very likely] says "my vape is TOO HOT!")
4.1 x 4.1 / 2.4 = 7.00 watts (Goldilocks is probably happier than at 1.8 ohms)
4.1 x 4.1 / 2.8 = 6.00 watts (Goldilocks might be happier or sadder)
Of course, if Goldilocks had a variable voltage device, she could use any of the three atomizers that came with her Nova, and have whatever coil temperature she wants on any of them.
For variable voltage, I really like the $22 Joyetech eGo-C Twist 650mah, the $60 Apollo SS VTube, the $100 Smoktech VMax, and the $179 ProVari V2. Goldilocks would IMO need 2-3 Twists to be really happy.
lol Good way to put it John. Sorry Goldilocks ahahaha.
So what you're saying is the higher the wattage, the hotter the juice burns right? So in your case you say the 1.8 is measuring at 2.1. Would I be better off with the 1.8 nova or the 2.4?
I prefer a semi cool vape. Definitely not hot. Strong throat hit is important to me as well. I can't stand not getting any feeling on inhale.
Also, i suppose i'll get me a twist sometime soon. Wondering if it will charge with the kgo charger. I really can't shell out money for another kit at the moment.
So what you're saying is the higher the wattage, the hotter the juice burns right? So in your case you say the 1.8 is measuring at 2.1. Would I be better off with the 1.8 nova or the 2.4?
I prefer a semi cool vape. Definitely not hot. Strong throat hit is important to me as well. I can't stand not getting any feeling on inhale.
Also, i suppose i'll get me a twist sometime soon. Wondering if it will charge with the kgo charger. I really can't shell out money for another kit at the moment.
The kGo charger will almost undoubtedly work with the Twist. All eGo-class chargers seem to charge at 4.2 volts, 420-500ma (milliamps - thousandths of an amp).
I'd say use the 2.4 ohm Nova head with the kGo, then try the 2.8 if the 2.4 gives you too warm a vape. Remember, watts basically = heat. A 100-watt light bulb gets hotter than a 25-watt light bulb.
PLEASE just get a 650mah Twist for $22.
Alright john you've sold me. I'll prob just buy one from GV at $27 while i order the novas. I read that the Mini's don't come with all 3 heads, they have to be bought separately.
How long does that 650 last you approximately? I vape heavily.
How long does that 650 last you approximately? I vape heavily.
Frankly, not that long. I vape my face off, and I go through 2-3 650's a day. That's why I say "get one, if you have something else, get at least two if you don't, and three is better". I wouldn't even bother with the 1000's, they're just crazy long. I haven't checked out the 900mah yet, and who knows - it might be "just right".
One thing you have to hand to Goldilocks - she knew what she liked, and was determined to get her hands on it! LOL
@johnD
Read your post about the Kgo being @ 4.1 volts. I always assume mine is at 3.7 volts. Did you measure yours with your multimeter? Guess I have something else to buy now.
Geeez...
Now I have to get a drip shield, a 510 to 510 adapter, and a multimeter. Oh brother & last week they cut my hours at work. What's a Cowdog to do???
Whine
Read your post about the Kgo being @ 4.1 volts. I always assume mine is at 3.7 volts. Did you measure yours with your multimeter? Guess I have something else to buy now.
Geeez...
Now I have to get a drip shield, a 510 to 510 adapter, and a multimeter. Oh brother & last week they cut my hours at work. What's a Cowdog to do???
Whine
Answer on the way, so keep that muzzle up, Cowdog.
Just be glad you don't work for Hoosier ecigs, cuz I'm about to rip 'em a new one.
(Short answer - they say their 1100mah kGo puts out "over 4 volts under load" with a 2.0 ohm single coil, and about 3.8 volts under load with a 1.5 ohm dual coil. So far so good, and then they stepped in a big ol' cowpie. More to come).
I'm pretty sure I can't handle really low resistance stuff. As a newbie, it is still "difficult" to feel the differences on the settings of the Twist.....subtle for me. But using LR stuff, it all feels too warm, puts out too much vapor, and makes me COUGH. Cough, cough.
Am I right in assuming that a little cooler and maybe a little less vapor would be gotten using ohm stuff in the 2-2.4 range?
And, not to muddy the waters but since Bullette brought up dripping, can somebody point me to how to clean an 501 atomizer? I tried my hand at dripping and there is gunk on my atomizer, which I want to keep running. I DEFINITELY need a drip shield, since starting out, I had a little trouble dropping just the right amount in, and the juice came down the side of my battery. 
Fearless man, this John D.
Am I right in assuming that a little cooler and maybe a little less vapor would be gotten using ohm stuff in the 2-2.4 range?
And, not to muddy the waters but since Bullette brought up dripping, can somebody point me to how to clean an 501 atomizer? I tried my hand at dripping and there is gunk on my atomizer, which I want to keep running.
I DEFINITELY need a drip shield, since starting out, I had a little trouble dropping just the right amount in, and the juice came down the side of my battery. Fearless man, this John D.
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I'm pretty sure I can't handle really low resistance stuff. As a newbie, it is still "difficult" to feel the differences on the settings of the Twist.....subtle for me. But using LR stuff, it all feels too warm, puts out too much vapor, and makes me COUGH. Cough, cough.
Am I right in assuming that a little cooler and maybe a little less vapor would be gotten using ohm stuff in the 2-2.4 range?
And, not to muddy the waters but since Bullette brought up dripping, can somebody point me to how to clean an 501 atomizer? I tried my hand at dripping and there is gunk on my atomizer, which I want to keep running.
To me, there are two main choices of cartomizer for the Twist; 2.0 ohm single coil, and 3.0 ohm single coil. 2.5 ohm would of course also be fine, but they seem a little scarce. I think Gotvapes has them, as they seem to have the best selection of cartomizers I've ever seen, right up to 5 ohm single coil.
To clean your atty, the best thing might just be to hit it with some serious heat, like from a Bic lighter, or a little butane torch. Just don't leave it on there long enough to melt any solder; IMO the idea is to bake the gunk off of there like a self-cleaning oven does. Strong chemicals would do it too, but I do NOT recommend that for obvious reasons.
Oh wow...Kgogate
Or is it Hoosiergate.
I'm staying tuned as I love investigative journalism.
OK, here goes:
Answer on the way, so keep that muzzle up, Cowdog.
Just be glad you don't work for Hoosier ecigs, cuz I'm about to rip 'em a new one.
(Short answer - they say their 1100mah kGo puts out "over 4 volts under load" with a 2.0 ohm single coil, and about 3.8 volts under load with a 1.5 ohm dual coil. So far so good, and then they stepped in a big ol' cowpie. More to come).
*****
OK.
Wow. Wowwee-wow-wow. Holy crap, even. What a steaming pile of horse crap they're shoveling in this video:
hoosierecigsupply.com 1100mAh eGo battery whips AW 18650 IMR
hoosierecigsupply.com 1100mAh eGo battery whips AW 18650 IMR - YouTube
Prior to linking to this steaming pile of horsecrap, they said the following, which I have no issue with:
"This is it! the best eGo/Riva type batteries that we have found. Made by SLB. 1100 mAh for all day and night vaping. These batteries run at a higher voltage than most, instead of the 3.3v to 3.7v provided by most eGo/Riva batteries these provide 3.8v under load with 1.5ohm dual coils and over 4.0v under load on 2.0ohm single coil cartomizers. The video in the link below will demonstrate this.
Click here to link to video SLB Ego voltage test with dual coil cartomizer from hoosierecigsupply.com"
Fact: an AW IMR 18650 battery comes off of a 4.2 volt charge at around .... wait for it .... 4.2 volts.
Fact: They either did not use a fully-charged AW IMR 18650 battery in their demonstration, or the IMR battery was defective, or they were using a device that regulated the voltage down below the 4.2 volts of a fully-charged AW 18650 IMR battery to start with. [IMR =I for Ion-type battery, M = Manganese - very safe chemistry, and R = Rechargeable I do believe]. IMO, ICR batteries, many or most of which are "protected" by an integrated circuit, are FAR less safe than "unprotected" IMR batteries, which do not "explode" in the event of an internal or external short, but rather, get progressively hotter, up to maybe 450 degrees fahrenheit, affording the user of the (A)PV ample time IMO to drop the damn thing. In comparison, an ICR battery (Ion, Cobalt, Rechargeable) will release its energy much more violently in the event of such a failure.
So: they're trying to tell us than an 1100mah kGo battery "whips AW 18650 IMR" 1600mah battery; and by the way, they also come in a 2000mah version. Just so I'm not "piling on", I'll assume they were using a 1600mah.
They're telling us that the AW IMR 1650 battery comes off a charger at 4.2 volts or so, but drops down to 3.45 volts under the load imposed by a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer? And that their kGo battery, which would also come off the charger at about 4.2 volts, somehow magically delivers 3.84 volts to the same cartomizer just because it says kGo on it? I think not.
Fine, it puts 3.84 volts under load to the carto. The point is that IMO the 3.45 volts under load exhibited by the AW IMR 18650 is a function of the DEVICE BEING USED, or an undercharged battery, or a defective battery, and not the AW 18650 battery itself. I call cowpie.
PLUS, they go on to say that the AW IMR 18650 battery costs $16-17! (??). Lighthound has the 2000mah for $10.50.
AW IMR 18650 2000mAh LiMN Rechargeable Lithium Battery
They then say: "You can draw your own conclusions .... there is no BS"
My conclusion is that there IS BS.
I am not alone.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hat-do-you-think-these-battery-results-2.html
Some highights from that thread generally blasting the video:
"Nothing like a video professing a wild claim from someone who doesn't know that they hell they're talking about. There' something wrong with that guy's mod or his battery. Using those same batteries, I see less than a tenth of a volt sag with my mods, more like a half a tenth.
Voltage sag can be important, but with the low cell resistances you normally see with IMR and ICR cells, it's far from a significant benchmark.
A proper test would be to load the cells with equivalent power and compare the discharge curve between them. I bet you would see what you'd expect when comparing an 1100mAh ICR cell to a 1600mAh IMR cell. The ICR cell would see a little more sag and the curve would be shorter.
Get a clue buddy".
And:
Even though I don't like the guy in the vid he later apologized for the test, saying either the PV or the cell was bad. Although not the most accurate PV test the unloaded volts of 4.25 looked good. When pbusardo did the same thing with a new Bolt he only got 4.08V, not good.
*****
So he apologized for a flawed video that is still up, and spreading misinformation. Great. Take it down, maybe?
(OK, this one is dedicated to Bullette the Cowdog. Yippee ky aye, and happy to oblige, pardner).
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Thanks JohnD
I'll have to study that tomorrow. Time for
Sleep now. But I wanted you to know I stayed up for your report.
Woof
I'll have to study that tomorrow. Time for
Sleep now. But I wanted you to know I stayed up for your report.
Woof
SLB KGO uses a HGB 130700 battery. This is a cylindrical li-polymer cell, not IMR or ICR. The HCB 130700 has a discharge rate of 8C.OK, here goes:
Answer on the way, so keep that muzzle up, Cowdog.
Just be glad you don't work for Hoosier ecigs, cuz I'm about to rip 'em a new one.
(Short answer - they say their 1100mah kGo puts out "over 4 volts under load" with a 2.0 ohm single coil, and about 3.8 volts under load with a 1.5 ohm dual coil. So far so good, and then they stepped in a big ol' cowpie. More to come).
*****
OK.
Wow. Wowwee-wow-wow. Holy crap, even. What a steaming pile of horse crap they're shoveling in this video:
hoosierecigsupply.com 1100mAh eGo battery whips AW 18650 IMR
hoosierecigsupply.com 1100mAh eGo battery whips AW 18650 IMR - YouTube
Prior to linking to this steaming pile of horsecrap, they said the following, which I have no issue with:
"This is it! the best eGo/Riva type batteries that we have found. Made by SLB. 1100 mAh for all day and night vaping. These batteries run at a higher voltage than most, instead of the 3.3v to 3.7v provided by most eGo/Riva batteries these provide 3.8v under load with 1.5ohm dual coils and over 4.0v under load on 2.0ohm single coil cartomizers. The video in the link below will demonstrate this.
Click here to link to video SLB Ego voltage test with dual coil cartomizer from hoosierecigsupply.com"
Fact: an AW IMR 18650 battery comes off of a 4.2 volt charge at around .... wait for it .... 4.2 volts.
Fact: They either did not use a fully-charged AW IMR 18650 battery in their demonstration, or the IMR battery was defective, or they were using a device that regulated the voltage down below the 4.2 volts of a fully-charged AW 18650 IMR battery to start with. [IMR =I for Ion-type battery, M = Manganese - very safe chemistry, and R = Rechargeable I do believe]. IMO, ICR batteries, many or most of which are "protected" by an integrated circuit, are FAR less safe than "unprotected" IMR batteries, which do not "explode" in the event of an internal or external short, but rather, get progressively hotter, up to maybe 450 degrees fahrenheit, affording the user of the (A)PV ample time IMO to drop the damn thing. In comparison, an ICR battery (Ion, Cobalt, Rechargeable) will release its energy much more violently in the event of such a failure.
So: they're trying to tell us than an 1100mah kGo battery "whips AW 18650 IMR" 1600mah battery; and by the way, they also come in a 2000mah version. Just so I'm not "piling on", I'll assume they were using a 1600mah.
They're telling us that the AW IMR 1650 battery comes off a charger at 4.2 volts or so, but drops down to 3.45 volts under the load imposed by a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer? And that their kGo battery, which would also come off the charger at about 4.2 volts, somehow magically delivers 3.84 volts to the same cartomizer just because it says kGo on it? I think not.
Fine, it puts 3.84 volts under load to the carto. The point is that IMO the 3.45 volts under load exhibited by the AW IMR 18650 is a function of the DEVICE BEING USED, or an undercharged battery, or a defective battery, and not the AW 18650 battery itself. I call cowpie.
PLUS, they go on to say that the AW IMR 18650 battery costs $16-17! (??). Lighthound has the 2000mah for $10.50.
AW IMR 18650 2000mAh LiMN Rechargeable Lithium Battery
They then say: "You can draw your own conclusions .... there is no BS"
My conclusion is that there IS BS.
I am not alone.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hat-do-you-think-these-battery-results-2.html
Some highights from that thread generally blasting the video:
"Nothing like a video professing a wild claim from someone who doesn't know that they hell they're talking about. There' something wrong with that guy's mod or his battery. Using those same batteries, I see less than a tenth of a volt sag with my mods, more like a half a tenth.
Voltage sag can be important, but with the low cell resistances you normally see with IMR and ICR cells, it's far from a significant benchmark.
A proper test would be to load the cells with equivalent power and compare the discharge curve between them. I bet you would see what you'd expect when comparing an 1100mAh ICR cell to a 1600mAh IMR cell. The ICR cell would see a little more sag and the curve would be shorter.
Get a clue buddy".
And:
Even though I don't like the guy in the vid he later apologized for the test, saying either the PV or the cell was bad. Although not the most accurate PV test the unloaded volts of 4.25 looked good. When pbusardo did the same thing with a new Bolt he only got 4.08V, not good.
*****
So he apologized for a flawed video that is still up, and spreading misinformation. Great. Take it down, maybe?
(OK, this one is dedicated to Bullette the Cowdog. Yippee ky aye, and happy to oblige, pardner).
Superior drain rate of the li-polymer battery allows it to outperform the AW IMR.
I don't know all that much about li-battery performance but Rader2146 does. He's not surprised by excellent performance from li-polymer, either.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/309576-kgo-disassembly.html
Every battery chemistry has it's own strengths or weaknesses. For instance, I have the choice of using either ICR or IMR 14650 in my E-Power 14650. I choose protected ICR because the higher capacity of the ICR is more useful to me than the higher drain of rate and lower capacity of the IMR.
If Rader says that video is an accurate representation of the performance of that kGo battery vs. an AW IMR 18650 1600mah battery, fine. But I have a feeling he's going to think it's as squirrelly as I do.
It makes no sense to me that a fully charged IMR can't put out more than 3.45 volts under load while powering a 1.5 ohm dual coil, unless it's not fully charged, is defective, or is being limited by the amp limit of the device it's in.
@ JohnD & Yzer
Ok I'm awake now. Swam 40 & read the battery info. What it appears to me is a video comparing apples to oranges. Kgo battery 130700 is a LiPo batt & IMR is a Li ion batt.
See this site for explanation of differences:
Lithium Ion vs. Lithium Polymer - What's the Difference?
What I learned from this is quite encouraging re Kgo Lipo batt. Seems Lipo costs more to manufacture, can be made smaller, lasts longer, & is safer than Li ion.
Do you think Hoosiers was using an old IMR to compare with the Kgo?
I still say it was an apples to oranges comparison. Not fair. But maybe he didn't know the difference.
Ok I'm awake now. Swam 40 & read the battery info. What it appears to me is a video comparing apples to oranges. Kgo battery 130700 is a LiPo batt & IMR is a Li ion batt.
See this site for explanation of differences:
Lithium Ion vs. Lithium Polymer - What's the Difference?
What I learned from this is quite encouraging re Kgo Lipo batt. Seems Lipo costs more to manufacture, can be made smaller, lasts longer, & is safer than Li ion.
Do you think Hoosiers was using an old IMR to compare with the Kgo?
I still say it was an apples to oranges comparison. Not fair. But maybe he didn't know the difference.
Bullette, I think you know I ain't fixin' to tussle with you no-how, but I just gotta say that I got no beef with them two bat'ries bein' dif'rnt types; I just cain't cotton up t'nobody sayin' that that there kGo bat'ry jes' flat-out "out-preforms" that there AW bat'ry.
"Superior drain rate of the li-polymer battery allows it to outperform the AW IMR".
Fer the life a me, I just cain't see how them fellers only got 3.45 measly volts outta that big ol' honkin' 3.7/4.2 volt IMR bat'ry. Mebbe sum fellers a durn sight smarter than me kin shed some light on this mess, cuz I still smell me a rat somm'ers.
I'll be fixin' t'russle me up some grub whilst I corntemplate this puzzlement s'more; 'n' mebbe 'nuther cuppa Joe'll set me to seein' where these folks is comin' from, but somehow I doubts it. Mebbe if I vapes on it a spell .....
Anyhows, you have a good'un pard, and I reckon I'll see ya on down the trail a bit.
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Yep. Shor do sound fishy to me too. That's why I'm thinking that IMR may have been old.
I don't know the specific condition of the AW battery or the Li-Po battery used in the Hoosier video. Anyone who didn't produce the video is just guessing in this respect.
Anyway, I'm not going to get into criticizing product presentation techniques used in sales promotion videos. That's way beyond the scope of this thread, and way off-subject.
It is fair to compare the performance capabilities of different Li-ion battery types used in PVs and APVs. In the case of the Li-Po battery used by SLB for the relatively inexpensive KGO there are some very interesting advantages over the IMRs that are used in some very high priced devices.
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