Lavatube Noob Thread - ??? about LAVATUBES and Accessories for them...Post your questions here....

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Just so that you don't shoot down all tank types in lieu of one - the ego-t and C tanks are wicked tanks that are bottom fed. They operate nothing like a standard DCT carto tank would. They simply feed a carto as if it was as big as the tank. It is true that all tanks have a "Quirk" or 2, but I would say to try a 3.5ml carto tank (like a 1.8) on that ego battery. As an alternative to that (if you have truly given up on tanks) check out the Ego Mega Dual Coil Carto (EMDCC) from Vapor beast or madvapes. Very easy to fill (its just a normal carto, but ego sized) and work great with an ego battery.

I am a total LT fanboy...hard to admit, but with 6 of them now, I think I have no choice. VV is an entirely different world and it will take some time to find your sweet spot, but when you do...look out! Nothing fixed will match it after that.
 

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lol... Masterofdampf... its so cute that you have so many! ;) I guess I hardly need to ask if you're getting the 1.5v internals one, do I?

Question... My friend Rick is really into those 'clear casing' xxl gygundo dual coils, and sounds like you like the metal ones. My question is how similar is the vape on those to the standard smoktech dual coils? Reason I ask is I tend not to like those even with other devices.. the vape just feels odd to me. I definitely prefer a boge or a low res smok single coil. BTW, I don't know how the price compares to the ones you get, but I just noticed that E Cig : Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes | eGo Tank has a good selection of those xxxl dual coils. I think they have it in the clear, as well, and tend to have good prices.

My buddy is a big proponent of the clear casing dual coils as a 'learning tool' for people getting used to filler cartos, because you can literally see straight thru to the interior filler. Even if you're using a syringe, you can't just squirt juice into them when they're bone dry. He said the filler has a tendency when they're totally dry for the juice to migrate up, so I'm thinking that's a big reason why some people get a burned taste. They fill, but stop when juice bubbles up from the top. Meanwhile, that doesn't mean they're full all the way down and all the filler is damp. My friend does use a syringe to fill, but he's very careful to get all the filler damp. But that's why I like the taryn spin method so much on first fill up.. it drives the juice all the way down into the filler, and I like that there's no question (since mine aren't clear) that all the filler is wet. Anyway, just thought I'd mention that. Low res dual coils aren't ideal on the v1 internals lava tube just by design, cause of the amp restriction. But I'm betting you can get some of those low res ones up to a high enough voltage to get a good vape. Master... lets say you've got a 1.5 ohm dual coil... If you have a meter, what's the highest voltage you can actually push that to? I'm just curious. I know PhilBusardo's review goes over it, I just don't have it in front of me, but I just got curious offhand.

I have to say, it cracks me up when places refer to those clear casing dual cols as 'clearomizers' though. They're not clearomizers... they've got filler! lol The only place I've found actual dual coil clearomizers is at vaping zone... those ones I mentioned on first or second page, just below that mammoth carto post. Now those things are killer. I do wish they'd make them in a stainless casing with a window, though. I hate worrying about breaking em. ;)
 
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Hi guys, im still investigating more about the lavatube, trying to make up my mind as to ordering one.

Another thing has caught my eye, Batteries.
If i buy the lavatube, i want to know exactly what kind of batteries i need to get when its time to replace them, and a quick search on stores in my country showed a TON of 18650 batteries available, and in several diferent mah ratings. but i seem to recall reading somewhere that some 18650 bats wont fit the lavatube properly. So....

i would appreciated if someone could tell me, ¿what are the exact dimensions of the 18650 battery that will fit the lavatube? (diameter & height), preferibly in millimeters.

also, just to be shure, they have to ve 3.7 volts. right?

thanks!
 

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The simple solution is that they need to stop making new colors obviously...I have a mini in black (classic), red and Stainless and a full in black (It goes with everything), silver and Stainless. After more than a year my co-workers have seen a few mods (like my e-pipe at the xmas party while I walked around this semi-formal gala) so they are now getting it that it doesn't have to be cig-shaped to be a PV. Hence I am going to stop carrying my 510's and 808's to use at work and my plan was to go to a mini LT (I already had the full). Then I thought...what if it breaks? Spare full for home and 2nd mini then...wait, they are on sale with a 20% discount? Better get one spare of each just in case...makes sense right? I have a mini stainless that will be attached to a standard length (fits a regular 35mm carto) stainless capped DCT with a 2.5 e2 carto (Skeletoned) that will be my daily traveller now. Just need to get more batts and a griff holster (with juice bottle and battery sidecar) and I am all set to make the conversion!

wait...there is a copper one...wt...! :)
I do want to see a few reviews with some metered load readings to see if it is worth it first. There is also a v2 that just went up for sale...unconfirmed so far I believe:
Larva-tube :) http://www.crystalclearvaping.com/LarvaTube-Standalone_p_116.html

Trying to be a good kid, and I had to upgrade my PC this month...so trying my hardest to wait it out...but if that comes out in stainless....I may have to go work the street corner to earn a few spare vaping bucks. :blush:

lol... Masterofdampf... its so cute that you have so many! ;) I guess I hardly need to ask if you're getting the 1.5v internals one, do I?

The width is 18mm and the length needs to stay under 66mm to work in an LT without exposing the threads. Really 65.5 is better, but I know a few people have used 65.7mm batts that did fit all the way. Because of the high drain of the switching regulator I would recommend that you get IMR or the panasonic safer chem hybrid batteries discussed here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-made-2250mah-10a-imr-battery-aw-slayer.html



Batteries.
If i buy the lavatube, i want to know exactly what kind of batteries i need to get when its time to replace them, and a quick search on stores in my country showed a TON of 18650 batteries available, and in several diferent mah ratings. but i seem to recall reading somewhere that some 18650 bats wont fit the lavatube properly. So....

i would appreciated if someone could tell me, ¿what are the exact dimensions of the 18650 battery that will fit the lavatube? (diameter & height), preferibly in millimeters.

also, just to be shure, they have to ve 3.7 volts. right?

thanks!
 

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The width is 18mm and the length needs to stay under 66mm to work in an LT without exposing the threads. Really 65.5 is better, but I know a few people have used 65.7mm batts that did fit all the way. Because of the high drain of the switching regulator I would recommend that you get IMR or the panasonic safer chem hybrid batteries discussed here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-made-2250mah-10a-imr-battery-aw-slayer.html
Thanks! :)
And they should be 3.7 volts. right?
 

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Yep, I kept asking the battery question, and I kept getting told only IMR high drains, and the Panasonic, or AW IMR brand. Heard that from about 20 people. lol I know there's a guy on ecf who sells great quality batteries... I'll try to hunt up the link for you, unless someone has it offhand. I know he ships worldwide. You just paypal him the money and he ships em off to ya. Also, you need to get a charger that's appropriate for IMR batts, because apparently the regular old trustfires won't do... they shorten the life, and if the charger develops a short (which apparently cheap ones do often) then you run the ristk of having your battteries heat to the point of venting. IMRs don't explode, but they can vent. So All the research I did said either get a pila charger ($which start at like $50, so that's out) or a smart charger from Xtar. The xtar WP2 charger is cheap, comes in either 2 channel or 6 channel (if this is your only mod, the two will be fine), and here's the best price I found for it. I found an awesome review, so if you'd like to see that, lemme know and I'll hunt the link. Nice thing about this is I have a number of mods, that talke all manner of different sized batts. This will charge any under 70mm with the included spacers. So it'll work for my 14500s, 18350s, 18500s, and 18650s. Really is all purpose.
Xtar WP2 II Charger And yeah, they're 3.7v... which is why you need the high drain for best performance. The way I heard it explained that made sense to me (cause I'm not very technically inclined) is that IMR batts in a lower mah will last longer and perform better on a LT than regular protected 18650s in a higher mah. That was compelling enough, and then I had 2 protected batts heat to a dangerous point, so from not on I'm getting quality batts in a smart charger so its impossible for them to overcharge, and thus overheat.

Amd Master of Dampf... Yep, that's the v 1.5 lavatube at CCV. I talked to a guy who beta tested it, and he said it was well and truly awesome! Ohm meter, and he actually metered a 1.5ohm dual coil at 5.4v when he had it set to 5.5. Definitely a game changer. lol And a must for any LT collector, like yourself. I'm gonna try to wait till they come out with those in all metal, preferably copper. Should be within a few mos from what I've heard. But that, to me, really is like a 'poor mans provari'.

And thanks for that size limit on the batts! I did not know that. So in other words, the imrs with button top upgrade are not good. ;)

BTW, I think someone sent me to orbtronic website for those panasonics. But my question is, I don't see a length listed! Anyone know how long these are? I'm worried cause they're 2200mah or something crazy.

http://www.orbtronic.com/batteries-...0a-18650-rechargeable-battery-cell-high-drain

Aws can be found thru this guy... ah hell... I can't find the link. anyone have the link to the battery guy on ecf? He has some cutesy sounding screenname, but I can't even think of that to hunt it up.

And here's the review for the awesome inexpensive smart charger by xtar. She runs through all the safety features, and why this is preferable to something like a trustfire or other cheapo charger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-CBJZu8htZ0
 
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Yep, definitely a noob thread. The lt is a fantastic device for noobs, but appropriate batts and a good 'smart' charger are kind of essential because the device does (heck, I don't even know how to explain it) but the needs of the device work much better with IMR batteries.

Just to break down what I personally think are "essentials" for an LT owner.... other people might disagree. lol And clearly you don't need all this stuff the very first second you have your LT, BUT this stuff will let you do pretty much everything within spec on any version of lavatube, and gives you loads of options, and gives you a satisfying, safety conscious vape at any voltage.

*Boge 3.0 XL or reg size Standard Resistance cartos (for high voltages) $8 max for 5pack, $21 for 15 pack at CCV. Stainless ones are best if you might use them in a tank.
*Smoktech 1.7ohm single coil 'resurrectors' in their normal 'xl' size, junior size, or Jumbo size OR boge 2.0 Low resistance cartos in reg 'short' or XL size (for low to mid range voltages) $8 or so 5 pack, $21 and change for 15 pack w free drip tip of choice (slightly more for larger than norm sizes) Stainless ones are best if you might use them in a tank.
*an atty or two in range of high (example 3ohms) and low ohms (example 1.5ohm) these are for 'direct dripping' method of vaping with only an atty and a drip tip, and for tasting flavors using direct dripping, $5-$9 ea
*couple of drip tips for 510. The rare really large cartos, like the Jumbo resurrectors, call for a different size dirp tip. That will usually be mentioned in the description of the carto. (lots of places have some, but litecigs usa has a nice selection) $1-$35 depending on how artsy and wild you want it like blown glass, etc. Most are in the $2-$12 range.
*Some variety of Carto Tank, either a Dual coil tank (fits regular sized resurrectors, or XL sized boge) or a shortie tank (fits the short cartos like boge, 'junior' sized resurrector). Easiest/cheapest I've seen for a newbie is the Sub or Mini-sub at ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE / E CIGARETTES STARTER KITS AND E LIQUID NICOTINE FROM MOM AND POP $12 or less, with a handy refilling port). Smoktech tanks are also great and inexpensive, but filling is a little more complex, and involves a syringe.
*Carto Punch or a '1/4 inch self piercing saddle valve' purchased form a hardware store/amazon (punch is $15-$30, valve is under $8) To 'punch' your own cartos that go into DC tanks. You can purchase them pre-punched, but its a little more $
*A few IMR High Drain batteries, 18650 for reg size LT, 18350 for mini. The best I've heard of are either Panasonic brand, or AW brand. Cost ranges from about $5 to about $10 (orbtronic sells the panasonics, a guy here on ecf (can't find the link, hoping someone else has it) sells the AW brand IMRs
*Good quality 'smart' charger, suitable for IMR batteries. I've heard great things about 'pila' brand chargers ($50) and Xtar WP2 chargers. Both STOP charging your batt when it reaches 4.2v (unlike most cheap chargers, so batts can overheat to a dangerous degree) and have multiple safety features built in. DiscountVapers - Your source for savings on electronic cigarettes and accessories, Go-go eGo, vGo sells Xtar WP2 chargers for 2 batts ($18) or for 6 batts ($33). Link to review is a few posts above this.
*Multimeter or at very least a volt meter. Multimeter allows you to test your batts right off the charger to make sure they're at max of 4.2v, and allows you to test the resistance/ohms of your attys/cartos. Voltmeter screws into your 510 connection between PV and carto, and tells you what volt you're actually vaping at. Both can be found at many vapeshops, from about $8-$20
*For the ALL metal Lavatubes/vtubes, like Stainless, Chrome, and Copper, a 'short cone' aka 'thread cover', or a 'shortie 510 to 510 adapter'... these will make the draw with some cartos a little less 'airy' on the new metal lavatubes. The shortie 510 to 510 adapter also allows you to use some vision clearo tanks, and Ego CE4 aka 'ego stardust' cartos that do not screw on device without the adapter.
*For the 'original' powdercoat w plastic caps v1 lavatubes, or the new v1.5 lavatubes, you may need an adapter to use certain types of carto tank/DCT, and you definitely need a '510 to ego' adapter to use certain types of ego cartos. If you're unsure, ask the vendor you're buying the tank or ego cartos from. Tell them you have the original flat top 510 connection type on your lavatube/vtube.

And then of course you need your juices, and a few syringes for when carto or tank calls for a syringe fill. I prefer 'slant edge' syringes, but any will work for just about all your needs, provided they don't have a huge diameter needle.


K...lol That's all I can think of off the top of my head. But LarryK... I will tell you that I have been sorta assuming the people with lavatubes have some experience vaping. I'm guessing the others answering questions have been making that assumption as well. I personally think the lava tube is a great 'starter' pv, but not many people buy it as their first. But if you're BRAND new to vaping, and acronyms and phrases like DCT and ohms and volts have you scratching your head, that's ok, too. Just speak up if you need an answer simplified, or mention that you're brand new to vaping when you ask your question. I promise, we were all scratching our heads once, too. lol I wrote a 'beginners guide to vaping' a while back, and that goes over the VERY basics. Its not geared for a VV device, it kinda assumes people are starting with an ego kit, since so many do. But it goes into step by step instructions on how to care for your cartos and attys, cleaning them, different methods of filling different kinds of cartos, basics of DIY, all sorts of stuff that might come in handy if you're new. I promise I'll update it soon with basics of vv. But here's the link for that if you or anyone else wants to download it. It has tons of links to helpful youtube vidoes on how to do the very basics, and even links to helpful places around ecf. Its just a .doc word file.
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What abou the big daddy tank

Big daddies are awesome! I've been coveting a lil momma for ages, but Big daddy is just larger. lol Those would definitely work on the lavatube, though if you have one w the 'original' style flat top 510 connecor, you may need and adapter. I'm not sure with big daddy, but the vendor would definitely be able to tell you if you need one or not. Those would be perfect with a Boge 2.0 XL carto (rather hard to find) or a smoktech resurrector 1.7ohm single coil for the low to mid voltages (but they're low res cartos... so it feels like you're vaping at a higher voltage), or with the Boge 3.0 XL size carto for higher voltages. Info on those is in any of the REALLY long posts here, along with links to buy em. You will need to use either prepunched/pre plated cartos, so they have a hole in them, or buy yourself a carto punch or a saddle valve (info in giant posts here) so you can punch our own holes. But that's an excellent tank. They're not hard to fill, but they're slightly more difficult than something like the 'sub' with a filling port. After you see it done once, on youtube video, you'll easily be able to fill them, though. Those will look fabulous, especially on one of the silver, chrome, or stainless lavatubes/vtubes.
 

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Do the smoke tech 1.7 reserectors work on the Lil mama tanks?

If you go to crystalclearvaping, you can buy the 1.7ohm resurrectors in the 'junior' size. That's the size of a boge, and fits in those 'short' tanks. You won't see a separate listing for them, but if you click on the 'resurrector' links in the 5pack or 15 carto deal, there's a dropdown menu that allows you to choose black or stainless, and reg or junior size.
 
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orachel...I'm relatively new to vaping (2 months) and you definately know your stuff. Thank you for your explanations and ideas.

I'm waiting on my Apollo SS V-tube (the kit) and am trying to learn how to set it up with a tank for the best vape. From what I've read, the 1.7 ohm single coil XL tank looks promising. What are your thoughts?

What has my head spinning so much is all the different terms and abbreviations used, sometimes for the same things such as : resurrectors, carto's, atty's, sub, DCT, shorties, etc. It would help alot if you would spell out or define the items instead of using the abbreviations. I know it's easy to get caught up in the acronyms in any speciality, but for newcomers it can be a pain in the .... to try and figure out. My 73 year old brain doesn't have much room left for more wrinkles. :blink:
 

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I have a LT in the mail. I've got the device, battery, charger, 2 drip tips, and two high res attys. I've also got some more standard resistance attys, another, drip tip, and pack of clearos at home already that I use with my 510 pen style. What else do I want for it? Not quite ready to fiddle with Tube tanks yet.

Also, anyone want to recommend voltage variances I'd want to try with the high res atty? I'm a dripper, primarily. I mostly just use clearos when I'm out and about.
 

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orachel...I'm relatively new to vaping (2 months) and you definately know your stuff. Thank you for your explanations and ideas.

I'm waiting on my Apollo SS V-tube (the kit) and am trying to learn how to set it up with a tank for the best vape. From what I've read, the 1.7 ohm single coil XL tank looks promising. What are your thoughts?

What has my head spinning so much is all the different terms and abbreviations used, sometimes for the same things such as : resurrectors, carto's, atty's, sub, DCT, shorties, etc. It would help alot if you would spell out or define the items instead of using the abbreviations. I know it's easy to get caught up in the acronyms in any speciality, but for newcomers it can be a pain in the .... to try and figure out. My 73 year old brain doesn't have much room left for more wrinkles. :blink:

You betcha... I'll spell it out from now on... some things, like 'shortie' tanks /sub tanksnfor instance.. thats actually what the product is called by the place that sells it. lol But I'll try to explain a little clearer, and you can always feel free to pm me for clarification, whenever. I'm checking my email often, and I get pms in my email, so you might get faster response.
 

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I would recommend a drip shield for the LT. There are alot of entry holes for juice to get in (like around the buttons).
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You can pick up a shorty adapter there too so it works with 510 atty's. 2.0-3 ohm cartos are a good range and try some in dual and single coil.

I have a LT in the mail. I've got the device, battery, charger, 2 drip tips, and two high res attys. I've also got some more standard resistance attys, another, drip tip, and pack of clearos at home already that I use with my 510 pen style. What else do I want for it? Not quite ready to fiddle with Tube tanks yet.

Also, anyone want to recommend voltage variances I'd want to try with the high res atty? I'm a dripper, primarily. I mostly just use clearos when I'm out and about.
 

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I have a LT in the mail. I've got the device, battery, charger, 2 drip tips, and two high res attys. I've also got some more standard resistance attys, another, drip tip, and pack of clearos at home already that I use with my 510 pen style. What else do I want for it? Not quite ready to fiddle with Tube tanks yet.

Also, anyone want to recommend voltage variances I'd want to try with the high res atty? I'm a dripper, primarily. I mostly just use clearos when I'm out and about.

You lost me on the 'voltage variances'.. you mean what voltage to vape them at? with a high res atty, I'd start at 4.5v and then just work your way up. It has a TON to do with the juice, and really the specific hardware you're using. I have stuff at 1.5ohms that i vape at 4.3, and I have stuff at 1.5ohms that I vape at 3.2... exact same ohms, but TOTALLY different vape. Hope that makes sense. As for what other goodies you may want, I just put a big list of really cool stuff to have for lavatubes a few posts ago. It was the last super long post, if that helps. '

As for myself, I'm interested in trying out those new Vivi Nova clearotanks that just came out. Theres no filler, and the cool thing is they come with 'heads' for 1.8, 2.3, and 2.8ohm, I believe. Its one tank, but you can swap out the 'atty' part. THAT sounds interesting. REviews are just now coming in. I know they're at gotvapes and altcigs, I believe, for like $12-15. That includes the tank and one each of the heads. That might be fun, if you're not ready to play with a carto tank yet. The cool thing about it is you can swap the heads, and also replace them for like $2 and change each.

Oh, dur.. no brainer... I ust realized you only have one battery. you'll definitely need a spare or two, and perhaps a high quality charger. I mentioned both of those in that marathon post, too. Other than that, you probably just wanna wait and see how you like the different things. You might find you really dislike vaping over 5 voltages (I do.. many people do... unless I'm on really high ohm stuff) or any manner of preferences that would affect what you buy for here on out.
 
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