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I'm always pm' able if you need something specific. lol And it is GREAT fun... don't know if you have any interest, but there's an amazing site called www.deviantscrap.com which is a great place to hang out and see if you have any interest in digital art.. everyone is super supportive and helpful. LOADS of tutorials online, too. Now if you ever wanna learn it quick, I'll bet theres killer tuts on lynda.com, but you have to pay for em. Here's my gallery at deviantscrap if you have any interest. I have ZERO natural artistic ability, and just use 'kits' of digital images, layered together and doctored up... LOADS of fun. And art journaling is about the most incredible stress reliever. This first page are NOT my faves btw.

- Deviant Scrap Gallery
Here's my fave ever...of my own work, that is. I tend to like other people's a lot more than mine. rofl
Well Behaved Women... - Deviant Scrap Gallery

Anyway, if you're ever interested, feel free to give me a yell and I'll give you some helpful links to learn. ;)
 
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Of course I don't mind, silly! Thanks for the compliment! I consider myself artistic, i just have no ability in terms of sketching, painting, or sculpture... I've tried it all. Digital is a good medium for people who have something to say, but no 'outlet' in which to say it... that's pretty much art journaling or fantasy work. Anyone interested in physical or digital art is welcome to pop in at deviant scrap and check it out... tell em orachel sent ya, and everyone is truly amazing. We've got everything from total novices to actual artists selling their wares. VERY supportive forums. And now we're coed! lol For the first few years seemed like mostly women, but few guys creating some amazing art now. ;)
 

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I just bought a LT from Apollo yesterday and want to clarify my understanding of what is best to use on it. I typically use a smoketech tank with a 2.0 ohm dual coil carto on my twist and riva batteries. If I understand correctly, I should use a 3.0 ohm carto on the LT. Is a dual coil ok or should I use a single coil. Are boge or smoketech prepunched better? Anything else I should know? Thanks for any help.
 

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Hiya, Tlmoody! Ok, so you're totally cool to use your 2ohm dc's on the lt... I use 1.7ohm single coils on it most often, myself. BUT you'll only be able to vape em up so high in voltage, or the LT will drop your voltage down (you dont see that on the display, though... does it internally) so it doesn't exceed that 2.5 amp restriction that the Lava Tubes with the version 1 internals have as a 'safety' feature. I'm totally shooting from hip here guessing, but thinking a 2ohm will get you in the neighborhood of 4.9v-5.2v. BEST es'planation of this phenomenon is Phil Busardo's fabulous (though 30mins long, and for good reason) review of em. SAVE the charts attached to the review to your hard drive; they'll help you! NOW... all that being said, if you wanna go up to the FULL range of voltages, then you'll probably also want something really low, and of course you'll want something at 3ohms to get right up around close to 6v. I am a HUGE believer in the smoktech single coil 1.7ohms, as a low resistance option, since they're similar to a boge 2.0 but have more intense throat hit, and a tighter draw which is REALLY nice if you got a chrome or a stainless tube at apollo. The draw tends to be airy with those.. but that is actually kinda a good thing, since you can customize your 'draw' to the carto with a few $1-$3 adapters. For instance, I dont use an adapter at all with the smok single coils, cause they're rather tight. But do with a Boge 3.0 (which is what i tend to go to at high voltages), BUT once the boge is a few weeks old, and getting tighter draw, instead of yanking it to clean, i just take off the adapter. I know it sounds complicated, but it essentially does allow you just one more way to customize your vape. SO, you can click the little '1' blog entry under my avatar, and see the photo tutorial I put together to help new people figure out what the heck adapter to buy. lol BUT trust me... even if you don't get any others, order a '3.5ml tank cone' (pics in blog, with some links to buy em) right away. You might even be able to add one to apollo order if they carry them yet. They're like $1.50-$3, and trust me, you'll want that one for sure assuming you got a 'metal' body tube.. chrome or stainless. If you got a powdercoated one... disregard EVERYTHING about the adapers I just spewed. lol They won't be necessary, nor will all of them work on the 510 'flat top' connection of the original V1 body. BUT if you did get a metal tube, that '3.5ml tank cone' is what you'd use with any standard 510 carto like a single or dual coil filler carto, like those we're discussing, to tighten draw. Trust me, the blog post makes it easier to understand. lol Get it ordered now, though, since people are getting frustrated with the airy draw and having to wait another week for adapter to show up. And lastly, there's basically a million places to buy these cartos, but the best deals I've found live at Crystal Clear Vaping (15 carto deals... 15 boge or smoktech single coils for about $21, or 15 dual coils for about $32) and - Deals (5 box deals.. amazing. 5 boxes of boge in mix and match ohms and sizes for $23!!!... killer 5 box deal on smoktech 1.7ohm single coils I'm talking about as well for $32)... however... if you want to try 1 or 2 each of a few varieties of cartos, save yourself the moola and go to Welcome to SmokTek, LLC - The Better Smoking Alternative - Your source for personal vaporizers, e-cig supplies and e-liquids or Welcome to MadVapes LLC (both of which would have the 3.5ml tank cone as well, which you also need) because you can buy cartos by the singles, there. I tend to find smoktek cheaper, but that's just me. He gives bulk discounts, so for one or 2 madvapes might be cheaper. Here's what I suggest you try... since you like the dual coils (which I SOOO am not fond of, personally, but many people love em), why not try a ST DUAL COIL 3ohm? I know for a fact both Madvapes and smoktek carry those. Will go up close to 6v, 5.8-5.9ish. And I'd also strongly suggest a Boge 3.0 single coil... will do full range from 3v to about 5.8v, but will be like vaping air at low voltages, and a ST 1.7ohm single coil (aka resurrector/rejuvinator... great throat hit on these.. I like em best at about 4.4v. And that way, you know which you really prefer and can find your 'sweetspot', and you know what cartos to buy in bulk. Now I personally like the 1.7s at about 4.4v most of the time, but then some juices really like high heat, and for me those get a boge 3.0 at 5.8ish volts.... makes a HUGE difference, but honestly, lower voltage option seems just as strong cause of the low res carto. Make sense? Only cartos I kind of suggest you guys stay away from is the 1.25-1.5ohm dual coils.. the amp restriction of 2.5 on the lavatube really won't let you get out of the 3s voltage wise with those, and since the sensation on the 1.7s is about as intense, it just makes more sense to do those. BUT everyone is different, so what works for us might be different than you.. that's why that Phil Busardo review is so important. You just need to know how high you'll be able to vape something in terms of voltage before you spend money on it, to make sure it's likely to satisfy your vaping needs.

Yell out if I confused you utterly... its been known to happen. lol OH, and last thing... I don't know how much money you have to throw at this new purchase, but in the long run, please consider an intelligent charger and a nice set of batteries... batt life is VASTLY improved, and the smart charger is much safer for IMR and high drains, and is just safer overall. I suggest the XTAR WP2 II charger (great reviews on youtube and other places.. best charger you can get, imo... and my opinion is based on opinions much better versed in battery science than I am. lol) and the PANASONIC 2200mah 18650 Hybrid CGR batteries. AW brand IMR 18650s are excellent, too, but not quite as long batt life as the panny and the panny is considerably cheaper at links I gave. And if you bought a 'mini' you definitely want the 18350s in AW IMRs. Both those links are all over the last few pages in this thread, or you can use thread tools to search thread for panasonic or AW and xtar. ;) They are not essential this very second... You'll be fine on the kit stuff initially. But kit batts die an early death, and don't keep a long charge on a daily basis, and the chargers are just problematic. I just try to get new vv vapers to upgrade pretty quickly and not keep putting good money into replacements that are subpar. Not essential right away, but something you wanna work into the budget as you can. Panny 18650s are about $7.50 each (you'll need 2), AW IMR are usually $7.50-$10.50 depending on size, and the xtar wp2 II is $14 (and is truly comparable to the $50 pila charger, so its a hell of a deal).

Here's that Phil Busardo review with the charts you need.... required viewing for all new LT owners. VERY informative. ;) Yell if you need anything else, or if I confused you. I'm on 2.5 days without sleep, so that explains that. lol

Taste Your Juice | VZ VV Tube Mod (AKA Lavatube) Full vs. Mini – Vaping Zone

Oh, and as for the prepunched for tank question.. I'll tell ya, that really depends on where your sweetspot ends up being, and which carto is best at it to your taste. I personally use the 1.7ohm smok single coils in tanks, and do find the prepunched (ie perfectly machine punched and plated) cartos handier than something I'd punch myself like a boge. Smoketech tanks, which are what MANY people use, tend to be rather loosy goosy on the carto. So the plate is a nice stabilizing influence. Plus, its not at all complicated to punch holes in a carto with a 1/4inch self piercing 'saddle valve' from hardware store, or a carto punch... but that being said, I tend to manage to screw up about 1 in 4 or 5 that I punch. lol Either the hole is too deep, or pierces the inner tube (that's the air and vapor tube... no juice should get in there, so thats problematic. rofl). So its REALLY up to your preference on cartos. If you vastly prefer a boge 3.0 to a 3.0ohm dual coil for your high voltage vaping (and the boge are WAY cheaper), then its worth it to punch your own, as boge don't come punched and plated. Something like a low voltage carto, where your 'basic' choices are a 1.5-2ohm dual coil by ST, or a 1.7ohm single coil ST, or a 2ohm boge... well, smoktech's are available punched and plated, and the boge aren't.... so really depends on preference. I will tell you, www.crystalclearvaping.com has fabulous deals on the smoktech 1.7ohm single coils punched and plated, and I BELIEVE he also has the dual coils punched and plated in the 15 carto deals. Both www.smoktek.com and www.madvapes.com sell the punched plated ones in singles. So my personal rule of thumb is if neither of those two places has em available prepunched, they don't come prepunched. lol Also, please be careful to buy the SINGLE HOLE prepunched cartos. Some come with 3 holes, and while not all of them flood, they are VERY prone to flooding, and you end up with a lot of juice in your mouth. Good way to get the hiccoughs, and its certainly isn't pleasant. ;)
 
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bmays... really? lol Is it shocking that longest post ever would come from ME? lol I'm like the queen of the ramble. Believe it or not, that's mostly medication and sleep deprivation, but sure does make things complicated. rofl

And yeah, o0, I know its a pain in the tail. I went on a mad hunt for something SO simple.. protected 14500. Not even batteries plus carries em. BUT you might wanna check out your area and see if there's a local forum in your area. Those local vape groups (for instance, mine is the Vaping in Phoenix group) will know if there are any vendors in your area who carry batteries, and also if you have an issue, you can always put out an sos on your local group (we use our facebook page) and then anyone around to can give/rent/sell you what you need can give a hand up... very nice, just in case of vapemergencies. I'm dead on my tootsies right now, but I'll hunt up the link to the local forums for you if you can't find it later. Its under Social Groups... Local Forums in the main forum page, I believe.
 

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Lord, I started reading that post at 6am I fell asleep 4 times during it, and just now finished, but you make some good points Rachel.

Personally, I use a DCT with 2ohm single coil Smoktechs. I tried 3ohm singles coils but they were just too cold and wispy for me. I've also used the Boge 2ohm single coils and personally I don't notice much difference, so I go the cheaper route. Dual coils work nice too, but like Orachel said you can't run them over 3.7. If you are comfortable in that area then use them, I still do on occasion, just because I have a ton of them from my Riva.

Another option which may give you the best results (in terms of voltage range) is to try a 2.5ohm single coil in your DCT, you can crank that up to around 5.8 volts, but it doesn't run so danged cold and wispy at lower voltages like the 3s do, still a tad cool for me, and since I rarely run over 4.4 I've stuck to the 2.0.

A standard res Stardust, and a low res Stardust would give you full range of volts too, and allow you to dial in and figure out which voltage range(s) you prefer, and then order cartos for your DCT accordingly. Just make sure to pick up a 510-510 shorty adapter (I paid around $2 bucks for mine) to raise them up and clear room for the eGo skirt to attach without bottoming out.
 
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Thanks Orachel for the info, and everyone else too!! I'm glad to know I can still use what I have already on my LT. I'll order some 3.0's just to see how they go. I'm slowly reading my through this whole thread and plan to watch to Pbusardo video too.

One other question though. The Apollo site says that the LT takes one battery but I'm reading elsewhere that it takes two. Which is it? The kit comes with one and I bought an extra and will order some better ones in the next week or so with another charger like you suggested.
 

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Quick question. I watched PBusardo's video about the LT. On it he said that when he used a Smoketech DCT tank it would not fire because of it not connecting to the battery all the way. Does anyone else have this problem? The DCT is primarily what I use and want to know when I get my LT if this is going to be an issue or if this has been fixed. If this is an issue with all of them is there a fix? Thanks!
 

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LT takes just one, tlmoody, but it really does have to be the RIGHT single battery to get the best performance, and quite frankly, to fit in the tube. I'm guessing when they're talking 2 batteries, they're factoring in a spare, which is essential. To my knowledge, aside from the Panasonic 18650 hybrid batteries at 2200mah, and the AW IMR 18650s... any other batt needs to be under 2000mah to fully fit inside the tube and have the top screw on all the way. You can cram some 2000mah protected batteries in there, but then there's a tiny gap at the bottom as the cap won't screw on quite all the way, and a protected batt really won't give very nice performance on this device. I wish SOMEONE would post 'requires 18650 IMR batteries under ________mm in length' since that would simplify things, but to my knowledge, noone has yet. I don't have a set of calipers and a wide selection of 18650 batts to come up with that data myself. BUT I do know if you choose the Panny 18650 or the AW IMR, you should be golden. I've seen 18650 batteries up to 3000mah, and while I haven't tried em, guessing theres no way to get em in there and get bottom cap on.

Ok, guys... Phil Busardo REALLY helped us out. He's allowing me to post his chart of voltage under load with different ohm cartos here for us. That comes straight out of his review here, at TasteYourJuice.com. Direct link for the chart itself, I'm having some technical difficulties, so after I get some helping capturing chart I'll get that posted here. I don't agree that the lavatube 'works best' with a 3ohm carto, necessarily. BUT I'm assuming what was meant is that you do need to go high ohms to get the full range of 3v-6v... even higher than 3ohms. You'd really have to go to 3.5ohms-4ohms to get up to 6v exactly. However, and I don't know how many agree with this, but I'm really not fond of a 3ohm-4ohm carto at lower voltages. It is just not intense enough. So even though that 3.5ohm carto will deliver the full range of voltages on the LT, I don't LIKE it at all the voltages. To my mind, there really isn't one 'perfect' carto that will give you the ability to vape the full range of 3-6v vv function, AND deliver a tasty satisfying vape at each voltage. But that's why I feel pretty strongly about either having your ONE really amazing sweet spot vape, like my 1.7ohm single coil cartos in the low to mid 4s voltage wise, or Apucks 2ohm dual coils which will hit a little higher than that. OR, having 2-3 different ohms of cartos that you like, and vaping each at the high end of voltage that the lavatube will deliver for each within that 2.5amp restriction. Some juices really do taste much better at 5.5v than at 3.8v, just to give you an example, so having that 'range' of cartos that you love is really ideal on this device. So I'll see what I can do about getting that chart in here asap. And trunkinlady, if your goal is simplicity, and getting up to that 6v mark, that 4ohm vision mini is about the most satisfying HV clearo/carto I've ever used at those lower voltages as well, so sounds like you're in the perfect carto for you. Dying to hear what you think of those, btw. I don't even LIKE clearos, and I liked those little guys just fine. lol

For now, for those of you who are JUST needing to see the charts, and don't want overwhelmed with a ton of info, here's the point in that review where he goes over the carto charts. There's data for 1.25, 1.5, 2.0, 3.0, and 4.0, but there is NO data for 1.7ohm, or 3.5ohm, both of which are available now, so you sorta have to guesstimate where those would allow you to go based on data on cartos slightly lower and slightly higher in resistance. This was posted with the kind permission of Phil Busardo, and is on his site TasteYourJuice.com . The chart we need starts 24.08 minutes into the review (you can fast forward with slider on bottom till you get to that point)...shows your voltage under load of different carto resistances. This is the chart for the FULL sized lavatube, with the 18650 battery. The mini chart is just slightly different, and comes a few minutes later.

 
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orachel, Just arrived home to find the mail carrier has left my package by the door. It's a day earlier than expected. Eveything looks great. Love the look and feel of the chrome LT (only problem is it is very susceptible yo fingerprints; as a watch collector this is something I hate; but will deal with it.) Got my charger and batteries on Sat. (the charger came without the two spacers which I might need someday for other batts--Orbtronic was very apologetic and have already sent them out to me) so they are charged and ready to go. I have afew things to take care of first but will fire that baby up soon.
Just BTW to apuck (and everyone else) if you have a bunch of dual coil cartos hanging around and want a higher res for the LT you can always just snip the top wire that you see coming out of the filling and you have a single coil carto at twice the res. that it started at (ex. 1.5 ohm dual coil= 3.0 single coil) just be sure to seperate the snipped wire ends a little but not so much as to touch the side of the carto.
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I am trying to figure out what my version 1 LT watts are? And do the watts change with the volts? I got a Bolt with a Kick and am trying to figure out how to dial my volt number on my Bolt and Kick to match my LT? I know how to do the volts times volts divided by ohms equals watts. But, if I don't know the watts of the LT then I don't know how to figure out truly what the volts are on the LT unless the watts change on the LT as well? Which I didn't think they did. Thanks for any help!

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Yay, Dave!!! Glad you're liking it! See what I mean bout the loose draw, though? That's why the 3.5ml tank cone helps with some hardware to tighten up the draw, if you find you need it. And yeah, fingerprints are a pain in the tail, but they do rub clean with a chamois pretty easily, or just with the tail of a tshirt. lol

And Cru... I've never delved into watt math, hon, so I can't help you. All my vv has a 2.5amp restriction, so haven't ever had need of it. BUT hoping bmays or carlton or anyone else has an idea for ya. I'm just clueless on this one, sorry! lol
 

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lol, you're allowed to have questions... we all did, and do. ;) As to that general statement, I'd say that's flat out false. People say that rather generally because when someone talks about a 'dual coil' ie dual coil that comes in a dual coil tank, they're usually in the 1.25-1.5ohm resistance range. A more accurate statement would be '1.25-1.5 cartos are not suited well for the LT', simply because they won't allow you to get out of the 3s, voltage wise. I love my 1.7ohms, and they're not much higher than that, but they get me close to 4.4ish volts, and that's perfect for me. I couldn't tell you the exact difference between the two, but its my understanding that dual coils LITERALLY have two (ie: dual) coils wrapped to create lower ohms... which is why, like Videodave mentioned... if you have a dual coil in a very low resistance, you can 'snip' one of the coils, and end up with a single coil carto at twice the resistance of the original dual coil. lol As to my taste, the vape 'feels' different to me at dual coil or single, and i personally prefer single, but LOTS of people love dual coils. AND now there are dual coils available in 2ohm, 2.5, 3ohm, 3.5, 4ohm... any of those would work just great on the LT. The general 'LT's don't like dual coils' thing came about initially when tons of people bought em when they first came out (which is incidentally when dual coils were at their most popular, if I'm remembering correctly) and loads of people were frustrated that the 2.5amp restriction stopped them from vaping a 1.5ohm dual coil in the mid 4s... So moral of the story is, dual coils are great on the LT, but unless you only want to vape at VERY low voltages, aim for one at 2ohm or higher. ;) Hope that helps!

Oh, and of course there are exceptions to any rule. I have a 1.5ohm dual coil CLEAROMIZER that I love on the LT, because the carto itself is so intense that the ideal voltage for me on it is about 3.5 volts... those are these ones...And you can see, all the reviews talk about how intense they are. BUT with a regular old smoktech dual coil in 1.5ohms, 3.5v just wouldn't seem 'intense' enough... so it has a lot to do with specific cartos, also.
http://www.vapingzone.com/510_Tank_Twin_Coil_Clearomizer/pid-215.html
 
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lol, you're allowed to have questions... we all did, and do. ;) As to that general statement, I'd say that's flat out false. People say that rather generally because when someone talks about a 'dual coil' ie dual coil that comes in a dual coil tank, they're usually in the 1.25-1.5ohm resistance range. A more accurate statement would be '1.25-1.5 cartos are not suited well for the LT', simply because they won't allow you to get out of the 3s, voltage wise. I love my 1.7ohms, and they're not much higher than that, but they get me close to 4.4ish volts, and that's perfect for me. I couldn't tell you the exact difference between the two, but its my understanding that dual coils LITERALLY have two (ie: dual) coils wrapped to create lower ohms... which is why, like Videodave mentioned... if you have a dual coil in a very low resistance, you can 'snip' one of the coils, and end up with a single coil carto at twice the resistance of the original dual coil. lol As to my taste, the vape 'feels' different to me at dual coil or single, and i personally prefer single, but LOTS of people love dual coils. AND now there are dual coils available in 2ohm, 2.5, 3ohm, 3.5, 4ohm... any of those would work just great on the LT. The general 'LT's don't like dual coils' thing came about initially when tons of people bought em when they first came out (which is incidentally when dual coils were at their most popular, if I'm remembering correctly) and loads of people were frustrated that the 2.5amp restriction stopped them from vaping a 1.5ohm dual coil in the mid 4s... So moral of the story is, dual coils are great on the LT, but unless you only want to vape at VERY low voltages, aim for one at 2ohm or higher. ;) Hope that helps!

Oh, and of course there are exceptions to any rule. I have a 1.5ohm dual coil CLEAROMIZER that I love on the LT, because the carto itself is so intense that the ideal voltage for me on it is about 3.5 volts... those are these ones...And you can see, all the reviews talk about how intense they are. BUT with a regular old smoktech dual coil in 1.5ohms, 3.5v just wouldn't seem 'intense' enough... so it has a lot to do with specific cartos, also.
510 Tank Twin Coil Clearomizer - E Cig : Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes | eGo Tank

Thank you so much for the explanation. I usually use 2.0 ohm dual coils so I guess I should be ok. I'm planning to buy some 2.0 single coils and 3.0's too just to see what works for me. Thanks so much for all the help!!
 
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