Liquid is insanely expensive.

[TampaToker69]

I'll gladly pay for quality...

 

[gingersnaps]

In my area seems like its .50 per ml for manufactured but juice made in house more like .75-1.00 a ml. If they do it in house I get paying a bit more when they have put in a lot of time to develope a flavor.


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[ambientech]

I never said you did that. I said you work on the same business plan (according to what you said) that you can stand to lose some work by inflating prices of every cost you incur. (Now you're claiming otherwise.)

Your employees making more would be another cost that you mark up. You're telling me you would mark up bottles that have no hidden costs but you wouldn't mark up wages that have all kinds of hidden costs?
Something doesn't add up.
You either have no idea what you are talking about, you're doing a lot of pretending trying to impress people on the internet or you have a very twisted idea of a business plan.

Plumbers and mechanics I know don't get paid what the business charges for labor. Neither do HVAC employees. It's the whole reason we have individuals going into shade tree business for themselves, otherwise everyone would be happy working for someone else getting paid as much as they could on their own.

It depends on which of your prices you're talking about on whether I would want to pay them. The ones that are you offering a good service at a fair price or the ones where you lick a stamp to send a bill and charge your customer an inflated price for that stamp, envelope and printer ink.
The IRS can't make more money than you do because you mark up all your costs remember?
You're not being consistent.

The guy you've claimed to be, don't worry, you wouldn't see a penny from me. They guy you now claim to be would be one I do business with. Who you actually are would be the determination of where my money goes.

Of course my labor rate is more than what I pay my employees. That is a given. Yes, when I add up all taxes I pay, and the company pay's, the IRS gets a higher percentage than I do. Mark up taxes LOL Who does that ? I have been firm in what I have said. This is a vaping site not a business plan site. Not enough time to go over every little detail. You have taken what I have said and twisted and added your own words, that is dishonest and shows your character.

 

[WillyZee]

If you want to succeed in any business ... everything should be marked up ... then taxed

 

[symphonic18]

WoWZa!! fasttech IS CHEAP!!
BUT!! It's a foreign company....it says FDA pretty big on the bottles, but would you trust them??

Chinese E-liquid Manufacturing Facilities - YouTube

 

[symphonic18]

The scammers are the ones charging you premium price for sub par service. They are charging you for repairs and parts not needed. I do not do that. I charge premium price for premium service. My margins are lower because my employees are top notch and require a higher wage. My 2 top techs last year each made as much as me!!!! Plus my equipment costs are twice that of the PRC equipment. I take the entire cost of materials and mark it up then add the labor. I sell a finished product not the individual pieces just as any other successful business does.

Plumbers price the same, auto mechanics price the same, those building your house price the same. Electronics priced the same. It goes on and on and on. Your posts show how clueless you are. The bottle is part of the product!!

Capitalism is what made the USA the great nation it was. If you don't want to pay my prices for my product nobody forces you to do so. Now that we have the entitlement generation running things it is no longer the great nation it once was. More on food stamps than work full time. The middle class is now poor! The government forcing you to buy products etc. etc. Chew on that fundamental change.....

Don't even bring taxes into this. The IRS is nothing but a gang of armed robbers as it is, they don't need anymore money. They make more money off my business than I do!

This is so stupid I can't even respond. This is just...

 

[lvm111]

"Yeah. I'm not going to inhale anything that comes from China...."

"A poster mentioned FastTech., and I checked them out, and they ARE super-cheap-BUT, it's a foreign company"

I wasn't suggesting you do. Duh. I'm saying if you want cheap, you can get it. If not, you're going to have to pay more. I am willing to pay more, and don't have a problem with it.

best regards, larry mac

 

[Heavyrocker]

DIY is the only way too go,cost me 10 cents for 30 ml.

 

[bones1274]

Chinese E-liquid Manufacturing Facilities - YouTube

It is a good looking system, but the problem I have is he failed to talk at all about the ingredients they use or the purity/certification of them. For all I know, they are using non regulated sub par nicotine and oil of essence from monkeys and crocodiles as additional flavoring.....

We have all seen the articles in the news over the last few years of the "food forgery" they have been doing. Everything from beef, eggs, tofu, honey and even baby formula and dog food. How do we know they are not doing the same with the ingredients of their juice? How many people and animals have been killed or sickened by these products? A lot!

The point is, I don't know what is going in the juice, I don't know what kind of quality checks each ingredient has or if it is even "real". Personally, I will continue to purchase USA juice made from certified ingredients. Just my

 

[Lombaowski]

It is a good looking system, but the problem I have is he failed to talk at all about the ingredients they use or the purity/certification of them. For all I know, they are using non regulated sub par nicotine and oil of essence from monkeys and crocodiles as additional flavoring.....

We have all seen the articles in the news over the last few years of the "food forgery" they have been doing. Everything from beef, eggs, tofu, honey and even baby formula and dog food. How do we know they are not doing the same with the ingredients of their juice? How many people and animals have been killed or sickened by these products? A lot!

The point is, I don't know what is going in the juice, I don't know what kind of quality checks each ingredient has or if it is even "real". Personally, I will continue to purchase USA juice made from certified ingredients. Just my

So does this mean that you check to see if the nicotine is coming from the U.S.? Doesn't the majority of it originate in China and India? I know Virgin Vapors is 100% U.S. ingredients, don't see a lot of other vendors guaranteeing this.

 

[Train2]

I think "oil from essence from monkeys" is what makes Gorilla Juice so hard to duplicate.
But seriously - there are VERY VERY few vendors that meet your criteria. Who's got "certified ingredients"?
Do you really know where your juice vendor got their Nic base? Or if their facility is even close to a sterile lab environment?
It's POSSIBLE - there are a couple. I'm just saying that you can't presume a US juice vendor isn't using Nic from India and mixing in the kitchen.

Personally, I vape some Dekang I get for $0.18/ml from FastTech all the time.
I also vape some Halo and some Nicquid, who I think have pretty clean labs (NicQuid's in AEMSA).
And I DIY - the only time I really know what's in there.

It is a good looking system, but the problem I have is he failed to talk at all about the ingredients they use or the purity/certification of them. For all I know, they are using non regulated sub par nicotine and oil of essence from monkeys and crocodiles as additional flavoring.....

We have all seen the articles in the news over the last few years of the "food forgery" they have been doing. Everything from beef, eggs, tofu, honey and even baby formula and dog food. How do we know they are not doing the same with the ingredients of their juice? How many people and animals have been killed or sickened by these products? A lot!

The point is, I don't know what is going in the juice, I don't know what kind of quality checks each ingredient has or if it is even "real". Personally, I will continue to purchase USA juice made from certified ingredients. Just my

 

[Racehorse]

$1 /ml seems pretty reasonable to me. You can always make your own and try to convince yourself it is as good as commercial-made e-juice.

Actually, the talent of DIYers here on ECF is rather stellar. You'd be surprised.

I've read thru a lot of posts in that area of the forum, and learned a whole lot. If they wanted to, many of these people could set up shop and compete rather well in the marketplace. But not everyone wants a juice biz.

 

[Racehorse]

I know Virgin Vapors is 100% U.S. ingredients, don't see a lot of other vendors guaranteeing this.

CASAA: U.S. extracted nicotine will soon be available

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/462593-us-made-nicotine-base.html

A rather confusing topic.

 

[stevegmu]

Actually, the talent of DIYers here on ECF is rather stellar. You'd be surprised.

I've read thru a lot of posts in that area of the forum, and learned a whole lot. If they wanted to, many of these people could set up shop and compete rather well in the marketplace. But not everyone wants a juice biz.

Just seems like DIY would involve far too much time. I work over 60 hours a week; I don't want vaping to be another job.

I don't look at how much things cost a manufacturer to make when deciding upon a purchase. I look at what said item is worth to me. Quality e-juice is worth $1 or more/ml to me.

ProVape juice uses US extracted nicotine.

 

[Lombaowski]

CASAA: U.S. extracted nicotine will soon be available

and misleading at best:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/462593-us-made-nicotine-base.html

Right. I know this subject is beat to death here but the whole argument about not wanting to vape huge vendors like Hangsen or Dekang because they are made in China is mind-boggling to me. Not only is the nicotine in U.S. made juices possibly coming from China, but these Chinese vendors have more to lose than Halo or whoever. They are serving people around the world, with an incredible volume.

Also until juice making is regulated, I just don't understand the cultural approach to U.S. juices somehow being more safe. Here is a list of recalled products, a lot of U.S. companies in there. These are operations with both internal and external oversight, and they still fail. IMO it's not if a e-juice recall happens, it's when. I personally don't trust Jeff and Laura at Booby Vapes more than I trust Dekang, just my opinion. It's about bottom lines and processes, thinking a U.S. vendor won't cut corners or make mistakes is faulty logic.

 

[Racehorse]

Personally, I will continue to purchase USA juice made from certified ingredients. Just my

You do realize that there are companies mostly NOT in the US that can provide full laboratory reports, assays, etc. on their juices, and a host of other stuff that i have yet to see a US maker provide?

Read up on TW (and probably others like Decadent Vapours, etc.) and see what they are doing, and at GREAT EXPENSE ...... outfits like this swayed the decision by the European Union which sets the stage for our own debates over regulation here in the US.........these people are spending big bucks to do things right, and have their ducks in a row.

Who is doing that here?

 

[Myk]

Just seems like DIY would involve far too much time. I work over 60 hours a week; I don't want vaping to be another job.

I don't look at how much things cost a manufacture to make when deciding upon a purchase. I look at what said item is worth to me. Quality e-juice is worth $1 or more/ml to me.

ProVape juice uses US extracted nicotine.

It's questionable on whether there is such a thing as US extracted nicotine available to ecigs. Some make the claim but there's no proof.

It takes a little time. I just mixed up 150ml of various liquids, it might have taken me a couple of hours, at least an hour. That's 50 days worth of vaping (I'm finally getting my recipes worked out where I can mix up that much). Mixing up smaller amounts is easy to fit in although not as efficient use of time plus you're freezing and thawing your nicotine more often that way.

I don't know if I'd want to do it working 60 hours but then I'd have trouble fitting anything into that schedule. If you have a day off every week you could easily fit in making a week's worth and keeping a rotation going without too much cramping of time.

 

[Racehorse]

Some vapers seem to think advertising copy on the websites of vendors is the same as testing and actual facts.

I was a copywriter so I tend to think about these things differently.

 

[stevegmu]

It's questionable on whether there is such a thing as US extracted nicotine available to ecigs. Some make the claim but there's no proof.

It takes a little time. I just mixed up 150ml of various liquids, it might have taken me a couple of hours, at least an hour. That's 50 days worth of vaping (I'm finally getting my recipes worked out where I can mix up that much). Mixing up smaller amounts is easy to fit in although not as efficient use of time plus you're freezing and thawing your nicotine more often that way.

I don't know if I'd want to do it working 60 hours but then I'd have trouble fitting anything into that schedule. If you have a day off every week you could easily fit in making a week's worth and keeping a rotation going without too much cramping of time.

I vape a lot of flavors, so, while I could probably make a single flavor I like after a bit of work, making 15 would be a job in itself.

I get every other Sunday off, pretty much the entire year except for holidays and vacations. That day is dedicated to my wife.

 

[Train2]

Hmmm. ProVape DOES in fact repeatedly claim their juice uses "Nicotine extracted in the USA from tobacco grown in the USA".
Which, according to most research, doesn't seem possible. Or if it IS possible, it worries me more - because there's no BIG nic extraction operation in the U.S. so where's it coming from? I think the people supplying pharmaceutical companies with Nic, from India and Ireland and China, have to maintain pretty high standards. AmeriNic is going to start making Nic here, but I don't think they're in production yet.