First off I really want to thank all of the people that really stepped up and showed me how this culture actually is. I know I came off as a whiny person that didn't actually know much about this whole thing. And that's probably true. But I don't want any more posts on how this my mind is already made up on quitting vaping. Because that's not the case. Judging by all my friends and all the new vapers I meet and talk to this thread might be answering alot of questions people have. The trouble with other threads is that they get dominated by the jargon I was talking about earlier. I'm sick of a new comer asking "what should i get?" and within two pages there are people who are practically about to start their own mod business and electrical engineers arguing on how electricity works. I'm getting alot of information that I've been begging for since august. So seriously thank all of you.
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What is not working on the cartos? No flavor, no vapor, bad taste, give some details please.
Some cartos are labeled LR but the only way to reliably tell is to measure resistance with a multimeter.
Polyfill is the white cotton like stuff that holds the liquit in a carto.
To get the most of the cartos make sure you don't run them dry. Using them in a tank or constantly toping off helps.
Pyrex is like glass. It is used in making the reservoir in some tanks and sometimes for drip tips. Delrin is more like plastic. It is used to make endcaps for some tanks and also for drip tips.
A pass-trhough battery has an connector for USB. You can plug in the battery to charge it and you can vape at the same time. If they don't fire your cartos, it could be that the center pin on the battery needs to be lifted. Again, more details like the make of the battery may help.
Drip tips make it more confortable to vape. They may cool the vape a bit and if the hole is too narrow they may restrict the flow of vapor. Other than that they are more for aesthetics.
I do indeed live in ogden. And your first point may be true. But the second point I think is not. Because I'm buying a new flavor everyweek unless I can get blue raspberry, and even then blue raspberry doesn't taste good in these cartos i'm talking about. it tastes watered down and pointless.
Honest op I started out answering your questions and then changed my mind. Vaping is not for everyone. If you've given it a try and its not working for you then maybe its time to move on.
Vaping is not going to be cheaper for someone that had a low smoking cost. The higher your smoking cost the more money you will save. Low smoking cost equals less savings if any.
You seem to be looking for specific answers for what YOU should purchase and use. Its not possible for any of us to tell you what will work best for YOU. I can tell you why I like something but that doesn't mean YOU will like it. I can tell you what I dont like but YOU may love it.
There are plenty of comparisons out there of different products BUT beyond the technical aspect such as one is vv and another is 3.7 it still boils down to the persons personal opinion which may or may not match your experience which is no different then comparison between any other consumer bought goods Lots of middle ground APV's out there to purchase that are loved by many people.
Vaping is not the same as smoking. It required a whole lot more work to vape then it ever did to smoke at least to start with. That effort was more then worth it to me even with its occasional frustrating moments but that doesn't mean its going to be for everyone.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
Vaping is not going to be cheaper for someone that had a low smoking cost. The higher your smoking cost the more money you will save. Low smoking cost equals less savings if any.
You seem to be looking for specific answers for what YOU should purchase and use. Its not possible for any of us to tell you what will work best for YOU. I can tell you why I like something but that doesn't mean YOU will like it. I can tell you what I dont like but YOU may love it.
There are plenty of comparisons out there of different products BUT beyond the technical aspect such as one is vv and another is 3.7 it still boils down to the persons personal opinion which may or may not match your experience which is no different then comparison between any other consumer bought goods Lots of middle ground APV's out there to purchase that are loved by many people. Vaping is not the same as smoking. It required a whole lot more work to vape then it ever did to smoke at least to start with. That effort was more then worth it to me even with its occasional frustrating moments but that doesn't mean its going to be for everyone.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
Personally, I don't care for most juices. I need lots of flavor, or it tastes like you describe to me.
My solution is to get juices with very pronounced flavors. Menthol can be pretty strong, and gives lots of throaght hit. Another that I like is absinthe- VERY pronounced flavor. Fruits and bakery flavors are all "blah" to me. Coffee/cappuchino flavors always taste burnt.
Really, juice is such a personal thing, all you can do is try different stuff until you find one you like. I think that is the toughest part of vaping.
Another angle is to try DIY, and stick to single flavors. You can add more flavoring until it tastes right to you.
My solution is to get juices with very pronounced flavors. Menthol can be pretty strong, and gives lots of throaght hit. Another that I like is absinthe- VERY pronounced flavor. Fruits and bakery flavors are all "blah" to me. Coffee/cappuchino flavors always taste burnt.
Really, juice is such a personal thing, all you can do is try different stuff until you find one you like. I think that is the toughest part of vaping.
Another angle is to try DIY, and stick to single flavors. You can add more flavoring until it tastes right to you.
Honest op I started out answering your questions and then changed my mind. Vaping is not for everyone. If you've given it a try and its not working for you then maybe its time to move on.
Vaping is not going to be cheaper for someone that had a low smoking cost. The higher your smoking cost the more money you will save. Low smoking cost equals less savings if any.
You seem to be looking for specific answers for what YOU should purchase and use. Its not possible for any of us to tell you what will work best for YOU. I can tell you why I like something but that doesn't mean YOU will like it. I can tell you what I dont like but YOU may love it.
Vaping is not the same as smoking. It required a whole lot more work to vape then it ever did to smoke at least to start with. That effort was more then worth it to me even with its occasional frustrating moments but that doesn't mean its going to be for everyone.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
I understand. And I get that people can't just tell other people what they like. But you aren't understanding my question. This is all I want: 1. more cloud 2. better taste.
How do I get there.
That's it. Everything else is just me asking about facts and real answers on how this stuff works that doesn't turn into electricity formulas.
I completely agree with you. You have the same complaints about all the different "genres" of flavors I do. That's one of the problems. I don't like the feeling of menthol so that's out. But from there what do I do? Isn't that such a weird thing? Candy flavors I'm thinking are going to be the only good ones.
There are a couple of places you can get the EGo T Mod. Joyetech eGo-T Mod 18650 2200mAh Device - MyFreedomSmokes.com has a nice "kit" that is very reasonable. You can also get them here Electronic Cigarette - Batteries - Joye eGo-T MOD LF doesn't have a "kit", but they do have more tube color choices and the prices are good.
It's correct that the eGo Mod is NOT strictly a variable voltage device. As was mentioned..you have two choices. Unregulated which will run from about 4.1 on down as the battery goes down (takes awhile for a 18650 to do that) or regulated to the standard eGo voltage level of about 3.4. Either way is good...depends on what cartotank you are using. I mostly use single coil 2ohm...and use the regulated mode. But sometimes it's good to use 3ohm on the unregulated. Or use the unregulated when you just want more "punch". Depends. My husband is a relatively new vaper...only committed to vaping full time last June...and he's tried a mess of stuff, including the Twist, and LT and while he liked them fine, he's totally sold on the eGo T Mod. That's pretty much the only one he uses now (the vast majority of the time). It's worth a look, and it's not that much investment.
I have found that using the 18650 batteries in my mods (even the 18350s in my Gripper and the 14500 in my box mod) has a stronger "hit" than the built-in type PVs like the regular eGos and kGos. Could be my imagination. But the long life of the batteries is a huge plus...and was a strong motivator when I decided to try the mods.
As I thought! I can't vape the same flavor for an hour before it looses it's taste. I always have at least three PV's with contrasting flavors sitting on my desk. (and NO, they do not have to be the most expensive PV's on the market)
"Watered down and pointless" is indicative of to high a resistance carto.
I figured that about drip tips. Just figured I'd throw it out there to see if there was an effect. Moreover, the carto problems fall under three categories depending on which carto i've filled for the tank: 1. very little vapor, and little to no flavor (i fill them correctly, i cannot stress this enough.) 2. decent vapor production, but tastes like water and prop glycol. 3. on the off chance I get a good carto, it burns out in 2 days and returns to tasting like nothing.
Okay I see what you're getting at. But here's a problem with that. There was a 3 week period where it was vaping blisse. Right when I was first able to buy blue rasp I was getting a bottle a week for a couple weeks. From the first vape to the last vape I had great flavor and great vapor production, I thought I'd died and gone to vape heaven. But then the local store couldn't support it's ordering anymore and they were always out. Lately, I've been buying cartos from them, these are LR cartos (they say LR on the carto and the employees are telling me they are LR) ALSO i'm buying standard size because some employees were telling me that XL LR cartos are killing the flavor because of the extra polyfill. So I only buy standard LR and I STILL am not getting anything out of even blue raspberry. Also, the last bottle of blue rasp i bought from store-who-must-not-be-named looked and tasted and smelled watered down. So I don't think it's just my taste buds being weird.
I see you are almost there and I'm sure these helpful people have shed the light on most of the subjects concerning you. I was at your stage not very long ago. ...... at the vendors lack of info on their products. It's a world of self advocacy, constant learning to keep up with changes and very sloppy business strategies. Bottom line in business is customer service and too many just want be the middleman. It's a new industry and a lot of desperate people trying to cash in on it. No jobs, new market blah blah. We are all victims to what you're complaining about but again you need to always continue to me your own advocate. Like you are doing now asking some really awesome question which I didn't take the time to do when I was angry.but I did start reading tons of forum info on this site and then some more. Even some technological next to incomprehensible stuff. Now true, in the back of my head I was thinking if this stays this expensive due to my mistakes and ignorance or taste buds I can always go back to Nicorette. I chewed for 10 years almost a chain chewer. middle of the night etc... Got really tired of chewing. You are going to do great with this because you demand answers and in time you'll get them and also cope with any limitations that almost everything in life gives us. I'm speaking for myself here ya know. Anyway. I thought re your not finding a flavor and kinda just tasting the base products, that you might have sinus conditions, not obvious. I know when I have a cold and use a lot antihistamines the flavors are bad. Not bad enough to quit since I know is temporary. That's it. That's my thoughts.
After reading all of this I've dealt with a lot of your problems in my 3 months of vaping and it sounds to me like you are having cartomizer problems. I just recently started using cartomizers again after trying clearomizers for awhile which I ended up hating because of burnt flavors and leaking. I also found out on my own that ordering online is much cheaper than at the local vape shop, however the one that I go to is actually very inviting and helpful. This is only my suggestion but I bought a 25 pack of Boge LR XL (low resistance, extra large) cartos for $23 and a IBtanked tank pyrex carto tank. I use them on a ego style battery (that actually just quit working) and a mini lavatube that I set to basically the same as what a normal ego battery would be anyways with fruit flavors and it has ended up being what is perfect for me after much trial and error. Had I found and used this site before all of this I'm sure I would have actually started out on a better note but it is what it is and I'm just happy to have found what works best for me. I do still use my local vape shop for emergencies if something breaks but mostly just to go in and try out all the different flavors to find ones that I like. Hopefully this helps a little bit. And feel free to continue asking questions or you can PM me anytime also. Good luck in your search for YOUR perfect vape, hopefully you find it soon!
OK, I'm going to go in a little different direction here- even though I hate it when people do this. I've been purposely avoiding the "get this" thing, because usually I find it just turns into a fanboy thread.
However, you sound just like me the first time i tried vaping, with the same problems and complaints.
So, my suggestion is this:
1. Get something VV. eGo Twist, chrome Lavatube, ProVari, whatever they all work. The VV will allow you to play with your voltage and get then most out of your atomizer. That way, you can eliminate voltage problems from the equation.
2. Get some plain cartos. I like the 1.7ohm xl "ressurectors" from CCV, but any good quality carto will work. They won't hold as much juice as a tank, but it will eliminate wicking problems so you can focus on the carto working rather than the tank or holes/wicking.
3. Try DIY. Get some nic juice, pg, and VG. Then get any flavorings that sound like possibilities. don't be aftraid to try something that doesn't sound right- sometimes what you normally like doesn't work in a vape, and vice versa. At $1.49 per flavoring, you can afford to try it it out. Make small batches, 50/50 pg/vg, and do 10% of a single flavoring. That will give you a good "middle of the road" that can be adjusted to improve things. PG give flavor, VG gives vapor. Adjusting either way improves one at the cost of a decrease in the other.
However, you sound just like me the first time i tried vaping, with the same problems and complaints.
So, my suggestion is this:
1. Get something VV. eGo Twist, chrome Lavatube, ProVari, whatever they all work. The VV will allow you to play with your voltage and get then most out of your atomizer. That way, you can eliminate voltage problems from the equation.
2. Get some plain cartos. I like the 1.7ohm xl "ressurectors" from CCV, but any good quality carto will work. They won't hold as much juice as a tank, but it will eliminate wicking problems so you can focus on the carto working rather than the tank or holes/wicking.
3. Try DIY. Get some nic juice, pg, and VG. Then get any flavorings that sound like possibilities. don't be aftraid to try something that doesn't sound right- sometimes what you normally like doesn't work in a vape, and vice versa. At $1.49 per flavoring, you can afford to try it it out. Make small batches, 50/50 pg/vg, and do 10% of a single flavoring. That will give you a good "middle of the road" that can be adjusted to improve things. PG give flavor, VG gives vapor. Adjusting either way improves one at the cost of a decrease in the other.
Halo has great 10ml sample packs of 5 flavours for $20
Cloud and flavour? Unpunched carto and some juice with more vg in it. the VG is what produces the bigger heavier vapour. This works fine on an ego twist or anything with a 510 connection. Buy juice from somewhere that will give you samples dude. If your brick and mortar wont do it, try online. Heathers Heavenly vapes sells sample packs for $8 its got 5 3ml samples try their stuff, heaps of online places sell samples or offer free samples. The juice thing is all on you man, it's personal tastes.
1) Sounds like you are using a too high resistance carto. Another thing to check is whether the center pin makes good contact with the battery. You can try moving the center connector of the carto out with a straightened paper clip. Just insert it in the hole and try to work it out a little bit.
2) Can't think of anything off the top of my head.
3) In my experience flavor drops off after using a carto. The first fill is full of flavor, but the second and subsequent fills are somewhat muted. There's also a chance that your taste buds become accustomed to the flavor. Like another poster said try changing flavors.
In another post you mentioned that you tried the Vivi Nova. Did you have any problems with it? IMO they are easier to use than a carto and provide a more consistent vape.
I have tried vivi nova's and do not like them. They seem to be inferior in comparison to other things. I feel as though vivi's are good for someone who is getting into it for the first time because of how easy they are and replaceable they are. I don't want easy to replace. I want quality and good vape from first to last that's not going to be my rent for that month. It exists, I know it does. But thanks for the suggestions.
Since I'm a noob too, I can't offer EXPERT advice. I do feel I'm a fairly intelligent person. I smoked over a PAD for 40+ years. When I was in the Navy, I was smoking 3 packs a day. I tried every conceivable way to quit, but nothing worked until I tried vaping. Yes, I've spent a little in my learning curve, but I've also learned a lot from this forum. What I found is no one device will satisfy everyone.
I started using a Joye eGo Twist and a Mini Vivi Nova tank. No problems with the Twist at all, but I had small problems with the Vivi. Note, I stated SMALL problems. I then purchased a Splitfire and liked it better, but head replacement is more difficult. I still really like that tank. I just purchased a cartomizer tank with 2.0 OHM heads, and so far, I like it better than either the Vivi or the Splitfire. Am I going to toss those tanks? Heck no. I'll use them for when I want to change a flavor, then screw my carto tank back in and vape on it for a while.
I've spent roughly $250 so far in the month and a half I've been vaping, but I was spending about $210 a month on cigarettes. Since I've found what I like in equipment and juice, and what works best for me, I won't have the need to spend nearly as much per month as when I first started. I'm even going to learn DIY juices and rebuilding heads. Then I can really start saving on costs.
I will be purchasing a Spinner from Got Vapes in the future, but that's at least 2 months away. They're not that expensive, and now that I've found the tanks I like, so I just need to purchase heads for the Vivi and splitfire, and carto's for my newest tank occasionally. That all sounds expensive, but it's still less than I've spent on cigarettes.
Even if I am spending more on vaping equipment, which 'm not, I'm saving my life because I was on the edge of COPD, I'm sure. If I didn't give up cigarette, I probably was going to be spending a ton for doctor visits.
I breathe better now, I don't stink from smoke, and I'm not burning holes in my clothes. I wish I'd quit smoking before I burned a hole in my car seat.
I started using a Joye eGo Twist and a Mini Vivi Nova tank. No problems with the Twist at all, but I had small problems with the Vivi. Note, I stated SMALL problems. I then purchased a Splitfire and liked it better, but head replacement is more difficult. I still really like that tank. I just purchased a cartomizer tank with 2.0 OHM heads, and so far, I like it better than either the Vivi or the Splitfire. Am I going to toss those tanks? Heck no. I'll use them for when I want to change a flavor, then screw my carto tank back in and vape on it for a while.
I've spent roughly $250 so far in the month and a half I've been vaping, but I was spending about $210 a month on cigarettes. Since I've found what I like in equipment and juice, and what works best for me, I won't have the need to spend nearly as much per month as when I first started. I'm even going to learn DIY juices and rebuilding heads. Then I can really start saving on costs.
I will be purchasing a Spinner from Got Vapes in the future, but that's at least 2 months away. They're not that expensive, and now that I've found the tanks I like, so I just need to purchase heads for the Vivi and splitfire, and carto's for my newest tank occasionally. That all sounds expensive, but it's still less than I've spent on cigarettes.
Even if I am spending more on vaping equipment, which 'm not, I'm saving my life because I was on the edge of COPD, I'm sure. If I didn't give up cigarette, I probably was going to be spending a ton for doctor visits.
I breathe better now, I don't stink from smoke, and I'm not burning holes in my clothes. I wish I'd quit smoking before I burned a hole in my car seat.
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