Literally about to give up vaping

[cags]

Where do you live in Utah? If you're near Ogden, I'd be glad to help you figure it out.
Somehow I get the idea that you have been bouncing around with products without ever figuring out how to use them to their full potential.
I would also venture to guess that you have been vaping one device/flavor long enough for your taste buds to become numb instead of changing up so that the taste buds can stay in the game.

I encourage you to take advantage of this offer. when I first started the people in my area got together and it helped me so so much!

 

[fourthrok]

hahahahahahaha! So is that the same as eating mashed potatoes everyday for a week? Or ramen? Because I've eaten ramen everyday for a week and can still taste ramen pretty damn easily without it losing a molecule of flavor. So why is it only with vaping?

Maybe because you aren't eating ramen all day and into the night constantly? You just have it at a meal or two, maybe. Then you don't have it awhile. Until next time.

I vape menthol. Strong menthol (but only 4mg nicotine). I also chain vape. Menthol is the ONLY flavor I vape (I'm weird that way...but it makes finding a flavor I like easier). By the end of a long day puffing menthol like a steam engine...the flavor just doesn't have the WOW it did earlier in the day. Still good...but not WOW. I go to sleep for the night, Get up in the morning and take a nice drag....and the top of my head 'bout flies off, the flavor is so strong! lol! It's just the nature of the beast.....

 

[Ebne08]

Drako has explained this very well. I wanted to ask you how you have been cleaning your device or devices? Please pardon my horrible grammar. I am 2 months into vaping and love it. Everyone has a learning experience with what they like.

1st. Battery connections need to be kept free and clear of juice.

2nd. Since you said you have a vivi nova the replacement parts are not that expensive less then a pack of smokes. soaking in Pure Grain Alcohol or vodka helps get the tastes out. If you have problems with alcohol and want a different way to clean them use straight hot water to disolve the liquids that stick where you dont see them. Let it dry out overnight. I dont do the dry burn stuff people say works cuz all I get is a burnt taste.

3rd. Have you been trying to increase your water intake as well as vitamins in your system. Sometimes you may not get a great flavor due to de-sensitized taste buds from smoking. It may take a while for that to come back.

Clean your tongue really good as well that helps.

The other thing I can say is dont give up and I hope you find what makes the flavor and throat hit produce like you are looking for.

Liquids that you buy from various places can also be what is going on too. Look in the forum that provides vendor links and browse them as well as read others reviews on the various liquids to buy. You and you alone know what flavors you like most no person is the same.

Why aren't these LR single hole, laser drilled cartos not working?

So you have questions, this is the one i feel hasn't been answered, it's also the simplest, the hole is most likely too small for the juice you use, the fix for this is simple take a finishing nail and a hammer and slightly increase the hole, this will improve the transfer from the tank to the carto's polyfil. Also with tanks taking a hard dry pull (with out firing the device) will help to keep the carto filled with juice.

You also asked why they give PG/VG ratios if there isn't a sweet spot, well there is for each person, but not really for hardware, yes some ratio's work better than others with certain hardware, for carto tanks higher PG works better if you have a single punched carto, you want higher VG for double(or more) punched carto's.

PG is what gives us the throat hit and carries the flavor, some people like in your face flavor and throat hit so they go with high PG juice, PG is also very thin, which is why single punched carto's work best, other wise you end up with flooded carto's which gurgle and hardly produce anything at all.

VG is what gives us the clouds, but it also mutes flavor so you need a very strong or extra flavor in high VG juice. VG is also very thick which is why double(or more) punched carto's work better with VG, also tends to have wicking issues with top coils like the Vivi Nova and Clearomizers. Some venders have found ways to thin VG which lets them work better in such devices.

LR is between i feel 1.5 and 1.9ohm, SR(Standard resistance) 2.0 and 2.5ohm, HR 3+ ohms.

Now for the advice section, even though with as frustrated as you have been i probably shouldn't say this.

Look at genesis style rebuildables, things like the Zenesis (costly and almost impossible to get) but there are many others like the DID and various clones of it.
You want simple, high capacity, fill and go, for me the easiest simplest no hassle i've found is a Reo bottom feeder, yes they can seem expensive but I've never broken one and I am not kind to my devices, get an atomizer a 1.5ohm 510 or 306 and whatever juice you want and you are set to go after batteries and charger.
You can also get rebuildable atomizer's which are similiar to the genesis style rebuildables, but have no tank like the genesis do, but there are only a couple that work with bottom feeders right now, but if you want to look into a cheaper startup cost you could looke the pheonix rebuildable atomizer.

now I'll explain atomizers just because I can, Atomizers are basically nothing more than a heating coil that the juice goes onto, be it from dripping from the top or bottom feed through the connector, you don't have the polyfil that tends to mute flavors.

ok that is all for now, hopefully i answered some questions.

 

[Bob57]

I encourage you to take advantage of this offer. when I first started the people in my area got together and it helped me so so much!

Agree 100% , I wouldnt have started vapin if it wasnt for someone getting me started.


Like your sig line cags, I'm following #1 pretty good, #2 not so good ?

 

[Apathetic Cardigan]

Maybe because you aren't eating ramen all day and into the night constantly? You just have it at a meal or two, maybe. Then you don't have it awhile. Until next time.

I vape menthol. Strong menthol (but only 4mg nicotine). I also chain vape. Menthol is the ONLY flavor I vape (I'm weird that way...but it makes finding a flavor I like easier). By the end of a long day puffing menthol like a steam engine...the flavor just doesn't have the WOW it did earlier in the day. Still good...but not WOW. I go to sleep for the night, Get up in the morning and take a nice drag....and the top of my head 'bout flies off, the flavor is so strong! lol! It's just the nature of the beast.....

I suppose so. That's still weird to me, though. I want to look up the science behind one flavor just not being a flavor on your tongue. Not just logical ways of looking at it. But actual science on why this happens. The sooner we figure that out, the sooner we come up with a chemical that counteracts that phenomenon of losing flavor on the tongue and adding it to juice, thus eliminating any need for this post!

Edit: "I want to look up the science behind one flavor just not being a flavor on your tongue" what I really meant was "how a flavor goes from being strong on your tongue and olfactory senses to dissipating and ultimately becoming tasteless."

 

[blondeambition3]

It can sometimes feel a little overwhelming, particularly when you first start out. When I started out last year, I found I was making very expensive mistakes.

Things like ohms are kinda confusing if you're not an electricity buff. I mean, bigger ohms = better right? I know I'm not stupid but there's a lot to get your head around in the early days. Right now I'm just about comfortable with my set up but that doesn't mean I would necessarily know where to go from here if my situation changed.

Has anyone thought of making a 'Vaping for Dummies' video for Youtube? I'm talking really, really basic without being patronizing. The video might last an hour or have a series of shorter ones but I'm sure it might actually help some people. I mean, there are people out there who might like to try it but feel confused and overwhelmed by the variety available to them (just like I did, and occasionally still do). Yes, it is very subjective as to what people need but some form of easy to access and understand guide might not go a-miss. The whole forum could be in on this- 'things I wish I'd known when I started vaping' etc etc... A comparison between types could be made- advantages of tanks, cartomisers, clearomisers etc, a comparison between batteries but always leave it up to the individual as to their choice for what will suit them... 'This battery would suit around a 30 per day smoker but this battery is quite heavy. Yes a disposable might look like a real cigarette and might be an interesting introduction for you but in the long run, it's going to be expensive and a bit rubbish.' A text version could also be made available on the forum to encourage more people in and to ask further questions, but to act as a reference point later on.

Some people pick things up quicker than others. Some people have more time to devote to finding out about vaping whereas others have very little spare time to research these things in great depth. Some people really don't have the spare cash to make too many mistakes (who does?!). There is certainly a LOT of support in this forum and I could ask you all question after question...perhaps if I hadn't taken the leap, I'd still be asking you questions about purchasing my first PV and starting out. But with the wealth of knowledge that you all have, couldn't you put your heads together and make a really, really easy to read/watch/whatever, comprehensive guide and independent of suppliers to help newbies? Anyone up for that?x

Anyone up for that?x

I am now!

 

[baraxil]

First question have you been a long time on just vaping and not smoking because in my experience(though I have vaped a short time) is that vaping alone without smoking for like 2-3 weeks makes vaping seem a lot better and I don't even miss my dip and you don't crave nicotine very much anymore. But what you need to do is look at the forums and see what is popular. I just bought a plain ego twist battery then you can buy different tanks or whatever and put on them and it works great. I got a clearomizer with it and it kind of sucked so I got a kanger t3 and these are pretty good because they are bottom feeders. You are right though you need to research what you want to get before you go into the local stores or they won't really guide you on the right path.

edit: Forgot about the juice, my first juice was backwoods brew they are alright but when I first got halo from my local vaporkings store that has been my favorite I've tried a lot of their juice and its all pretty good.

 

[DuaneNeveu]

As far as juice is concerned, you CAN order juices with say 50/50 PG/VG with extra shots of flavour from some vendors...the higher VG will give you those billows of vapor you want, and your palette should benefit from the extra flavour.

Sympathies for your equipment woes...

I started this stuff two weeks ago. My first purchase was a knock-off kit (I didn't know that at the time) that I rushed into buying in my excitement to give up cigarillos. After five days, disappointment and discouragement set in.

With a few days off work, I didn't change out of my house-coat and just parked myself in front of my laptop. I found the YouTube channels of "GrimmGreen" and "pbusardo" (and some others) and only broke away for bathroom breaks. I even ate in front of my screen. When I say I spent a few days doing this, I mean every waking minute to the extent that in those three days I got only twelve hours of sleep. This was before I even discovered this forum.

Watching those videos confused the hell out of me...at first. Even though they offer product reviews, there's a heavy sprinkling of opinion that can be taken as advice should you happen to agree with why they formed a particular opinion. For example, if they say "I like this setup when I really want a mind-blowing throat hit", or "I find this atomizer always delivers the most flavour from my juices", and you find yourself thinking, "Yeah, yeah, that's JUST what I'M looking for!", then you can take that as a suggestion, and try to replicate what they're doing.

Now, I have a very understanding wife who isn't going to divorce me because I've since dropped another $550 or so on tons of juice, and a little more equipment. I also understand that not everybody can go out and spend that kind of money. BUT, my time investment in learning, and the monetary investment in accoutrements are all worth however many minutes extra they might offer me to spend with my family in the twilight of my life.

The bottom line, even if you can't spend both time and money in abundance, spend LOTS of the ONE you have most of, to give this the attention it deserves. You're worth it!

 

[blondeambition3]

No different than your nose with smells. After a while, the receptors get tired.

This answer 'works' for me....

 

[Apathetic Cardigan]

I am now!

I like that! And I like the Idea from blondeambition3 too! Because I too have watched about 200 videos from busardo thinking he was literally the Brad Pitt of vaping. That no one could top his intellect and vaping knowledge. I love busardo, he's an awesome reviewer and great dude. But there should be a series of kindergarten level explanations on how different things work in e cigarettes, because they aren't hard to understand the most basic: electricty+something that vaporizes+juice=happiness. But someone with the knowhow and the patience easily pop out 15 videos on what exactly the battery is doing inside the mod/pv. Just a quick demonstrations (ex. "and here when we press the button the firing doohicky is pressing the electricity dealywap and exploding the floopdeedoo") and then explain VERY PLAINLY in SIMPLE ENGLISH WORDS what a clearo is and the THREE MAIN differences between it and a rebuildable atty, or carto, or vivi. ANYTHING spoken plainly can spark a conversation between hundreds of thousands of people. (Bill says: "oh yeah the dealywapp does the flippity flop which creates the zippity zing." Shelly: "Oh my lucky stars! I'm gonna head out and buy one of those dr. seuss words right away!") Blam, fazillion dollar industry.

 

[Apathetic Cardigan]

As far as juice is concerned, you CAN order juices with say 50/50 PG/VG with extra shots of flavour from some vendors...the higher VG will give you those billows of vapor you want, and your palette should benefit from the extra flavour.

Sympathies for your equipment woes...

I started this stuff two weeks ago. My first purchase was a knock-off kit (I didn't know that at the time) that I rushed into buying in my excitement to give up cigarillos. After five days, disappointment and discouragement set in.

With a few days off work, I didn't change out of my house-coat and just parked myself in front of my laptop. I found the YouTube channels of "GrimmGreen" and "pbusardo" (and some others) and only broke away for bathroom breaks. I even ate in front of my screen. When I say I spent a few days doing this, I mean every waking minute to the extent that in those three days I got only twelve hours of sleep. This was before I even discovered this forum.

Watching those videos confused the hell out of me...at first. Even though they offer product reviews, there's a heavy sprinkling of opinion that can be taken as advice should you happen to agree with why they formed a particular opinion. For example, if they say "I like this setup when I really want a mind-blowing throat hit", or "I find this atomizer always delivers the most flavour from my juices", and you find yourself thinking, "Yeah, yeah, that's JUST what I'M looking for!", then you can take that as a suggestion, and try to replicate what they're doing.

Now, I have a very understanding wife who isn't going to divorce me because I've since dropped another $550 or so on tons of juice, and a little more equipment. I also understand that not everybody can go out and spend that kind of money. BUT, my time investment in learning, and the monetary investment in accoutrements are all worth however many minutes extra they might offer me to spend with my family in the twilight of my life.

The bottom line, even if you can't spend both time and money in abundance, spend LOTS of the ONE you have most of, to give this the attention it deserves. You're worth it!

Well said. I often feel like when those guys (busardo, grimm) talk about that stuff I feel like they have access to a secret well of golden e cig knowledge on how to fill and maintain X piece of equipment. And it's frustrating.

 

[Tibby]

There are plenty middle of the road e-cigs. I like the twists or spinners with a vivi nova. As far as juice goes it is hard for me to believe you cant find a few flavors you like more than analogs. Try buying samples and mabey get a knockoff bulldog atty for $11 and try them out. You will find some you like. Also get some wick and kanthol wire and rebuild your own nova coils. It is cheap and easy tomaster. Youtube has alot of how too videos and juice reviews to help. Stop being butthurt and get back on that horse! No smoking stinkies!

 

[Apathetic Cardigan]

There are plenty middle of the road e-cigs. I like the twists or spinners with a vivi nova. As far as juice goes it is hard for me to believe you cant find a few flavors you like more than analogs. Try buying samples and mabey get a knockoff bulldog atty for $11 and try them out. You will find some you like. Also get some wick and kanthol wire and rebuild your own nova coils. It is cheap and easy tomaster. Youtube has alot of how too videos and juice reviews to help. Stop being butthurt and get back on that horse! No smoking stinkies!

Hahaha I get what you are saying. But here's this weird cycle of problems I can't get out of: Say you buy your favorite juice, you love it so much you cry just one indian tear whenever you vape it. Then one day, the people you buy it from just don't have it, it's out of stock or just not around that day. Whatever, no big deal. You buy something else that sounds okay/alright. You drip that into your cartomizer polyfill and just wait until vaping bliss begins. Then you flip your battery on, basically ready for your vaperbone, and after six hours of trying to get into gear. It still just doesn't do what you want. So then, frustrated as a dolphin at seaworld. You go back and buy another juice that sounds whatever/kinda good, thinking maybe some weird/freak John Kerry accident happened. And another six hours go by of you opening your mouth expecting a cumulus cloud of vape, but instead you get a meager cirrus cloud and some vague taste of some chemical you've never before vaping because you're in your first few months of vaping. NOW! Times that by 3 months and that's what I'm going through.

 

[Iusedtoanalog]

. So why is it only with vaping?

Because the flavor of vaping is soley based in your perception of it. If you eat candy all day then you eat candy all night, don't you think that eventually your tastebuds willl begin(at some point) to "normalize" so as to dull the flavor of the candy? Couple this with the stellar lack of vapor and equipment woes you have been recently been going through and you have yourself answered this question..... And this is why you always want a contrast flavor available. Especially early in your vaping life. When you smoked you bombarded your mouth with chemicals that frankly taste like crap wrapped around swill, But you toughed it out to get your"fix".. Not one smoker I have ever known has had their very first cig and said wow these things tastye delicious!. In a few weeks time your body has begun to repair the prior damage from smoking, Your tastebuds are included along with your mucous membranes,in addition to your lungs, and finally your brain....... All these thing are attempting to right themselves and sometimes our tastebuds do go through a reset period. I have experienced this three total times in two years of vaping. The longest was the first, about a week solid, nothing vaped right, nothing tasted good, nothing worked well period. At day six I started to notice little things that I enjoyed about the vapor beginning to reemerge, by the end of day eight I had all my flavor back that I was missing so much for those days. Then it happened again about two months later then five months...... It has been almost a year since my last "flavor loss". I really do attribute it to too much flavor stimulation combined with our bodys trying to compensate and repair itself.

As to why one batch was great and the others not so good, These are the reasons that I make my own liquids, combine that with the fact that it is the cheapest way to vape. This Industry is very young. Liquid makers tend to be somewhat experimental they sometimes cant get a certain componant and will substitute something else, they make batches at different times, with different total amounts, theres so many things you can do with the same ingredients to Not get the same outcome it is truly mindboggling........ Hell even the age of the mixture matters(this is another vaping fact)..... Keep reading, Keep learning, Keep fighting the good fight.

 

[DuaneNeveu]

Well said. I often feel like when those guys (busardo, grimm) talk about that stuff I feel like they have access to a secret well of golden e cig knowledge on how to fill and maintain X piece of equipment. And it's frustrating.

No secret...they come right out with it.

For example, I bought an eGo-C kit. Phil rated it #1 in his very detailed "Tank System Shootout". Grimm finds the eGo-C to be a fail, but he ALSO qualified the eGo Twist as a "Game Changer", so I was both encouraged and discouraged at the same time. All I had to do was decipher what they diagnosed as good and bad parameters and decided where to go from there. So, I bought two eGo twist batteries as an entry to variable voltage to go along with the two standard eGo batteries from my kit, so that I could start playing around.

All that was left was to take my lemons and make lemonade. Now I've got a fist-full of atomizers, more juice, a "Bolt" tube mod with batteries and a charger, and some cartomizer tanks in transit (for use on my eGo batteries and my new Bolt), to vape at my computer when relaxing at home, hoping to see the member numbers on this forum BOOM!

 

[DuaneNeveu]

As far as juice goes it is hard for me to believe you cant find a few flavors you like more than analogs.

Nobody EVER smoked their first cigarette and exclaimed, "Oooooh, that's DEE-LICIOUS"!

 

[Iusedtoanalog]

On A side note, I still think you have the wrong cartos for your device. And make certain you have backups of everything(batteries/cartos/liquid) that you like once you know for certain what it is that you like.

 

[Apathetic Cardigan]

Because the flavor of vaping is soley based in your perception of it. If you eat candy all day then you eat candy all night, don't you think that eventually your tastebuds willl begin(at some point) to "normalize" so as to dull the flavor of the candy? Couple this with the stellar lack of vapor and equipment woes you have been recently been going through and you have yourself answered this question..... And this is why you always want a contrast flavor available. Especially early in your vaping life. When you smoked you bombarded your mouth with chemicals that frankly taste like crap wrapped around swill, But you toughed it out to get your"fix".. Not one smoker I have ever known has had their very first cig and said wow these things tastye delicious!. In a few weeks time your body has begun to repair the prior damage from smoking, Your tastebuds are included along with your mucous membranes,in addition to your lungs, and finally your brain....... All these thing are attempting to right themselves and sometimes our tastebuds do go through a reset period. I have experienced this three total times in two years of vaping. The longest was the first, about a week solid, nothing vaped right, nothing tasted good, nothing worked well period. At day six I started to notice little things that I enjoyed about the vapor beginning to reemerge, by the end of day eight I had all my flavor back that I was missing so much for those days. Then it happened again about two months later then five months...... It has been almost a year since my last "flavor loss". I really do attribute it to too much flavor stimulation combined with our bodys trying to compensate and repair itself.

As to why one batch was great and the others not so good, These are the reasons that I make my own liquids, combine that with the fact that it is the cheapest way to vape. This Industry is very young. Liquid makers tend to be somewhat experimental they sometimes cant get a certain componant and will substitute something else, they make batches at different times, with different total amounts, theres so many things you can do with the same ingerdients to Not get the same outcome it is truly mindboggling........ Hell even the age of the mixture matters(this is another vaping fact)..... Keep reading, Keep learning, Keep fighting the good fight.

Damn good reply. That question is now answered and won't be asked again.

 

[Apathetic Cardigan]

No secret...they come right out with it.

For example, I bought an eGo-C kit. Phil rated it #1 in his very detailed "Tank System Shootout". Grimm finds the eGo-C to be a fail, but he ALSO qualified the eGo Twist as a "Game Changer", so I was both encouraged and discouraged at the same time. All I had to do was decipher what they diagnosed as good and bad parameters and decided where to go from there. So, I bought two eGo twist batteries as an entry to variable voltage to go along with the two standard eGo batteries from my kit, so that I could start playing around.

All that was left was to take my lemons and make lemonade. Now I've got a fist-full of atomizers, more juice, a "Bolt" tube mod with batteries and a charger, and some cartomizer tanks in transit (for use on my eGo batteries and my new Bolt), to vape at my computer when relaxing at home, hoping to see the member numbers on this forum BOOM!

Yeah, but dude, living in Utah, contrary to popular belief, is not cheap, especially because I'm a student here and barely paying rent and utilities, i'm not .....ing, i'm saying there is an overall lack of info that anyone can come to an agreement with that's good for newbies. This is frustrating, because I watch videos, see other vapers, go into local e-cig shops and get literally jealous of vapers around me because I don't have the cash to drop on something that I want to be my new hobby, I know it's safe, I know it's better than any candy ever, and it replaces one of the most dangerous substances in the world, but this addiction cannot be fulfilled because of the sheer numbers that go into experimentation. I keep reading on this thread "read" "buy" "try" etc. But I don't think anyone *italics* really gets what it's like to not have a couple hundred to just try some and see what they like. I already know what my dream vape is. It's easy, provari with 18650 batts and this thing Super T Manufacturing, Innovative manufacturer of electronic cigarette products.
But that's pushing me into the 300 dollar range. I don't have that kind of dough for random I have dog seizure medicine to buy and food and college payments and books and rent. So I need one answer which is what to get that's under fifty that will last me until graduate.

 

[blondeambition3]

Originally Posted by Iusedtoanalog
Because the flavor of vaping is soley based in your perception of it. If you eat candy all day then you eat candy all night, don't you think that eventually your tastebuds willl begin(at some point) to "normalize" so as to dull the flavor of the candy? Couple this with the stellar lack of vapor and equipment woes you have been recently been going through and you have yourself answered this question..... And this is why you always want a contrast flavor available. Especially early in your vaping life. When you smoked you bombarded your mouth with chemicals that frankly taste like crap wrapped around swill, But you toughed it out to get your"fix".. Not one smoker I have ever known has had their very first cig and said wow these things tastye delicious!. In a few weeks time your body has begun to repair the prior damage from smoking, Your tastebuds are included along with your mucous membranes,in addition to your lungs, and finally your brain....... All these thing are attempting to right themselves and sometimes our tastebuds do go through a reset period. I have experienced this three total times in two years of vaping. The longest was the first, about a week solid, nothing vaped right, nothing tasted good, nothing worked well period. At day six I started to notice little things that I enjoyed about the vapor beginning to reemerge, by the end of day eight I had all my flavor back that I was missing so much for those days. Then it happened again about two months later then five months...... It has been almost a year since my last "flavor loss". I really do attribute it to too much flavor stimulation combined with our bodys trying to compensate and repair itself.

As to why one batch was great and the others not so good, These are the reasons that I make my own liquids, combine that with the fact that it is the cheapest way to vape. This Industry is very young. Liquid makers tend to be somewhat experimental they sometimes cant get a certain componant and will substitute something else, they make batches at different times, with different total amounts, theres so many things you can do with the same ingerdients to Not get the same outcome it is truly mindboggling........ Hell even the age of the mixture matters(this is another vaping fact)..... Keep reading, Keep learning, Keep fighting the good fight.

Damn good reply. That question is now answered and won't be asked again.

Yep, this reply 'works' for me also...