I'm sure he has enough going on without random people calling him. No need to post personal info like that!
Local NW Floridian with severe injuries from exploding ecig battery
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I've read much of this thread, although not all, but you bring up a very important issue that I haven't heard much mention of - how this story could impact those who have been vaping around others who were very tolerant of it but now feel threatened, such as my hub vaping at work with no objection in a non-smoking company. Many co-workers hit him with that explosion news ice cold on Thursday, which is how I heard about the story in the first place.
Another big issue for me is that after only a couple months of vaping, not even being around a lot of folks as I work in a home office, many have begged me to get them the information on what to buy and how to use them, either for themselves or a friend or relative.
I was already greatly concerned that something I would recommend might not to be to their liking or possibly malfunction (just like I hate to advise people what computer gear to buy, because I'm the first person they let know about it). I also realized I couldn't just send them a link to a unit I recommend -- that they would also need some actual in person instruction to prevent potential unhappiness or misuse that could blow back on me.
Over the past 2 weeks, I have promised 8 peeps I'd get this info to them asap - planned to call one of them the morning after the news hit. Now I will have to go through even more rigamarolle trying to reassure them the right ones are safe, that they won't blow their heads off. And what if someone I recommend vaping to actually does seriously injure themselves -- or burn their house down? However unlikely, how would I feel? What if my hub's battery hurt someone at work? It isn't too hard to imagine his company's legal team quickly swooping in to sue we small fry for anything our insurance might, or might NOT, cover.
My point is this could have a real dampening effect on people being eager to recommend vaping to others, which I believe plays a critical role in its expansion. And I also fear this very unfortunate event (and others accidents bound to happen as vaping expands) will be used to huge advantage by the heavy hitter organizations determined to intensely regulate or eliminate the legality of this option altogether.
FLYING ISSUES: As someone earlier mentioned, flying with e-cig gear could also get dicey. The day after the news hit, my hub was ordered by his employer to fly to their factory in Mexico in 12 hours to fix a critical production machine (a country where e-cigs are already banned, where cops sometimes imprison first, and maybe ask questions later). I was very concerned he might face greatly increased scrutiny or even confiscation by either Mexican or US authorities. Recently they've been sending him there once a month - maybe this time it will be okay, but next month, who knows? Wiith no e-cigs in tow, and no ability to buy any once he gets there, he would be buying a pack of real smokes the minute the plane landed, something I would view as a major disaster for us personally due to health issues.
Yeah, I know.
wrong on my part, I was reverting back to an insinuation , maybe here or maybe in another thread that it is all a hoax and the guy doesn't even exist. His names in every paper and if you click search with google you get that so I'm pretty sure he is much alive.
Just that everybody has so much speculation. Nobody would actually call him. I just wish he was a forum vaper and would come in and say what happened. The articles go from a chip of his tongue and a couple of broken teeth to half of his face. It was either a mod or a fresh out of the pack pen type cig and nobody wants to clarify. Its hard to believe that with all the people on the forum that nobody actually knows the guy, or seems to anyway.
wrong on my part, I was reverting back to an insinuation , maybe here or maybe in another thread that it is all a hoax and the guy doesn't even exist. His names in every paper and if you click search with google you get that so I'm pretty sure he is much alive.
Just that everybody has so much speculation. Nobody would actually call him. I just wish he was a forum vaper and would come in and say what happened. The articles go from a chip of his tongue and a couple of broken teeth to half of his face. It was either a mod or a fresh out of the pack pen type cig and nobody wants to clarify. Its hard to believe that with all the people on the forum that nobody actually knows the guy, or seems to anyway.
After reading through this whole thread, what has been accomplished? Not much. We still don't know what was used or the type of batteries.
For many, many months, I've been a high voltage vaper. Am I going to stop because of this tragic accident? No.
For those of you who stack batteries, play it smart. Always check your voltages coming off the charger, always let your batteries rest before and after charging, always inspect the battery casings/contact points, inspect your device for anything and everything, keep your batteries in pairs (if one starts having issues, toss both of them in the trash), and only use the proper/safest batteries...all of these safety precautions also go for ANY mod user...high or low volts. Saving a few bucks isn't worth the damage that can be caused.
Someone earlier in the thread wrote a blog/rant on what has happened. I'm too tired to go back and find it. I want to thank the person who wrote it because you're spot on!
For many, many months, I've been a high voltage vaper. Am I going to stop because of this tragic accident? No.
For those of you who stack batteries, play it smart. Always check your voltages coming off the charger, always let your batteries rest before and after charging, always inspect the battery casings/contact points, inspect your device for anything and everything, keep your batteries in pairs (if one starts having issues, toss both of them in the trash), and only use the proper/safest batteries...all of these safety precautions also go for ANY mod user...high or low volts. Saving a few bucks isn't worth the damage that can be caused.
Someone earlier in the thread wrote a blog/rant on what has happened. I'm too tired to go back and find it. I want to thank the person who wrote it because you're spot on!
Yes I think we are going to see changes because this hit national and international news media. It's a horrible accident that is going to bring a bad blow to this industry. Like a few other folks on here, I would like to see regulation but not to the point of being overdone. Unfortunately, our government overdoes every damn thing it sets out to do and usually, in the end, destroys whatever that is.
I know a lot of people are scared to use your PV's right now. But keep this in mind...we take risks every day and don't even think twice about it. It's no different than using your device.
This is the blog that I whole heartedly agree with. Folks, if you're worried, please read this.
Exploding Electronic Cigarettes. « At Psychological Gun Point
Again, thank you to the person who wrote it. I posted it on FB.
Exploding Electronic Cigarettes. « At Psychological Gun Point
Again, thank you to the person who wrote it. I posted it on FB.
I too have read this entire thread. I hope the anti-vaping crowd doesn't.
They will see all of the don't care posts "This one incident is not going to stop me from vaping. My e-cig won't blow up, can't happen to me." They will see that most of us don't care for the non-smokers, that we are a reckless bunch of renegades just taunting the establishment. You make this stuff illegal, I'll just go underground, build up a stash, lock the doors, and vape away.
How can just one e-cig exploding make so many people paranoid? The chances are slim, right?
If the one you are holding today blew up, so what, that's just one more injury, far better odds than with cell phones, or driving. So what?
The news would fan the flames, that's what. You think we carry the same clout as the automotive industry?
Or the cell phone industry? Just one more exploding e-cig could trigger a media frenzy and put us back into the closet.
What are your odds of being injured? Probably pretty low. But unless you vape at home, alone, expect to feel the impact the next time someone see's you vaping.
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Wow ...I found this last night..It took me hrs to read them all. I Feel very bad for Tom, & all those that have had any problems. I do believe everything happens for a reason. Maybe to remind all of us to be careful, & not worry about the mighty dollar, Purchase the right gear and keep testing everything. I know I will purchase digital volt meter so i can be more careful. Anything can happen to anyone of us in at any given time, Not relating to our e-cigs.
Yes it is but all of us should get educated on ALL types of batteries...not just these. ANY battery can go into failure at any time. What I meant by the post I made was...do we know if he was using AW's? Tenergy's? Some store bought brand? Was he using an unventilated mod? No we don't...it's a guessing game right now but it brings to light much needed battery education/safety for all of us and to pay attention to a mod's safety features.
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As a few have already mentioned, after well over 400 posts in this thread (and almost 43,000 views!), not a singe one of us seems to know what type of device he was using.
Only speculation that it was some type of Mod, and that's all it is...speculation.
I'm sure there are hundreds (more likely thousands), of people who would like to know just for some sort of piece of mind.
This whole thing is kind of strange (and of course tragic). But pretty much any accident that makes national news (whether e-cig related or not), one of the first things you hear about is the 'equipment' involved, and specific circumstances surrounding the accident. Yet we still know nothing. Has the news media lost their 'touch' when it comes to sniffing out information?
I wish Tom all the best, and a speedy recovery. And I guess it's easy for me to say because I'm not in his shoes. But if this happened to me, I would probably be telling everyone I possibly could exactly what I was using, and how I was using it, in hopes of preventing it from happening to someone else. Still a little hard for me to believe nobody seems to know yet.
Only speculation that it was some type of Mod, and that's all it is...speculation.
I'm sure there are hundreds (more likely thousands), of people who would like to know just for some sort of piece of mind.
This whole thing is kind of strange (and of course tragic). But pretty much any accident that makes national news (whether e-cig related or not), one of the first things you hear about is the 'equipment' involved, and specific circumstances surrounding the accident. Yet we still know nothing. Has the news media lost their 'touch' when it comes to sniffing out information?
I wish Tom all the best, and a speedy recovery. And I guess it's easy for me to say because I'm not in his shoes. But if this happened to me, I would probably be telling everyone I possibly could exactly what I was using, and how I was using it, in hopes of preventing it from happening to someone else. Still a little hard for me to believe nobody seems to know yet.
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"I wish Tom all the best, and a speedy recovery. And I guess it's easy for me to say because I'm not in his shoes. But if this happened to me, I would probably be telling everyone I possibly could exactly what I was using, and how I was using it, in hopes of preventing it from happening to someone else. Still a little hard for me to believe nobody seems to know yet."
You can bet somebody knows, I's just another case of the media manipulating the american public with the help of the government.
You can bet somebody knows, I's just another case of the media manipulating the american public with the help of the government.
In the event of a lawsuit, nothing will be disclosed until then because it could jeopardize the outcome. I hope that's not the case but it would make sense. If I was in Tom's shoes, I would be talking just to protect someone else.
Well, with the risk of everybody disagreeing with me let me tell you that I am afraid now!!!!
Why?
Because it's not the same as driving. When I'm driving I know that I depend on my skills and that if I do wear the safety belt and most importantly I am not speeding my chances of having an accident are low. My car is made in Germany and my winter tires are made in Finland. I paid a price for this but it is for my peace of mind.
But with these low cost batteries/chargers I am not in control!
What I am trying to do now is learn about this subject as much as possible. My TrustFire TR-001 is making a buzzing noise when connected to the power grid, which is confirmed by some other ECF user as well. This is not comforting and reassuring. I do use a good PV with safety mechanisms built-in but I am still trying to learn as much as possible about batteries and chargers. I am now trying to learn how to check if my charger is overcharging or not and I got the Fluke DMM out and I'm experimenting with it.
What I am looking for is to educate myself and stay as safe as possible.
P.S. Sorry for my bad English.
Why?
Because it's not the same as driving. When I'm driving I know that I depend on my skills and that if I do wear the safety belt and most importantly I am not speeding my chances of having an accident are low. My car is made in Germany and my winter tires are made in Finland. I paid a price for this but it is for my peace of mind.
But with these low cost batteries/chargers I am not in control!
What I am trying to do now is learn about this subject as much as possible. My TrustFire TR-001 is making a buzzing noise when connected to the power grid, which is confirmed by some other ECF user as well. This is not comforting and reassuring. I do use a good PV with safety mechanisms built-in but I am still trying to learn as much as possible about batteries and chargers. I am now trying to learn how to check if my charger is overcharging or not and I got the Fluke DMM out and I'm experimenting with it.
What I am looking for is to educate myself and stay as safe as possible.
P.S. Sorry for my bad English.
Yes, the whole lawsuit thing crossed my mind as well. And with all the talk about Mods, wouldn't it be something if it was a widely popular eGo or 510? (Or something similar). Talk about the ..... hitting the fan!
Yeah, if it's some sort of 'unsafe' homemade mod, well, I guess you take your chances. But if it was a popular standard battey that is sold by the thousands, and often the choice of new e-cig users, well, that's a whole different ballgame...especialy when it comes to a lawsuit.
But I agree people need to know precisely what tye of device blew up in his face, and why, and the sooner the better...for the saftey of all.
(Edit) You know, the more I think about this, the more I think there is much more to the story. Why all the 'secrecy'?
If it was a Mod, well that's one thing. (But still, consumers should know about exactly what type of mod it was).
And as I said originally, if it was a widely sold standard battery and/or charger that wasn't modified in any way, consumers absolutely have a right to know asap.
Remember the Toyota recalls? The Dell battery recalls? (And MANY others, way too numerous to mention).
Somethin' just ain't right here, but I'm still not sure why. :/
Lack of some sort of regulation? Pending lawsuit? Somebody is being paid off to keep quiet about it? (Yes, again, all nothing more than speculation).
In the mean time, we all just sit here, wondering if our PV may eventually blow half of our teeth out. (I know I'm being somewhat dramatic, and many of you don't worry about it...but I do).
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"My TrustFire TR-001 is making a buzzing noise when connected to the power grid, which is confirmed by some other ECF user as well. This is not comforting and reassuring."
Did you ask the manufacturer or distributor why it would do that? That would make me more than a little uncomfortable
Did you ask the manufacturer or distributor why it would do that? That would make me more than a little uncomfortable
It is not a loud noise. You can hear only if it is very quiet or you bring it close to the ears. It is the noise of a transformer. It is probably the expected behavior with these chargers, $15.
What actually bothers me is that it is not the PV which I am afraid to use, is these low cost batteries/chargers: the weakest link. Nobody pays much attention to it. But a chain is no stronger than its weakest link. And the problem is that I do not have a choice. The best charger which I could find is a Pila which is still made in China, price 50$. If I would have the option to buy a $100 charger but which is made in Germany I would gladly do so. But there isn't any charger which I could find (yet). Instead of paying $11 for a pair of Powerizers which are still made in China, I would gladly pay 50, but these products are not on the market...
My intent is not to argue, but I'd like to point out that you DO have control with your mod batteries. Meter them before and after charging, visually check the integrity of the cover and the shape of the cylinder before using them. Keep them in pairs and rotate their position in the stack periodically. When you use freshly charged cells, fire the mod away from your face for a sec or two. Be cognizant of the temperature of your tube and cast it away from you immediately if it begins to heat.
The risk you mitigate when you drive defensively does not eliminate ALL danger. The risk you mitigate when you use your equipment smartly will also not eliminate ALL risk, but quite a big bit of it.
i went with a pila cause it is generally from what i read the "safest" charger, here in the USA almost everything is made in china/japan, not much we can do about that
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