E-Cig exploading stigma.

[beckdg]

Follow the money, that's all you have to do! Why do you think the legislation is going back to 2007? All we had back then was cigalikes, what is big tobacco making? Cigalikes! Who has the money to get these things "FDA approved", big tobacco!
This has nothing to do with making people healthy, it's all about the money. Once again, we've shown we have the best government money can buy.
But anyway, back to mods and stuff. I need to get a picture of my XUV up, I'm pretty sure it's properly vented.

Let us not forget the FDA testing and approval process in their other endeavors.

Hire 1 employee.
House a lab at their favorite vendors place. (In this case, a BT facility of their choosing.)
Pay rent and dues to owner of said facility in the form of a great majority of fees associated with denying your application.

Tapatyped

 

[gin828]

All the FDA and Big T did was buy time to see if vaping was going to get popular, which it did. Now they come with the regulations to shut the small businesses down so Big T can regain the market. Once that happens they will let the states start taxing us to death.

None of them care about exploding mods......If they did, they wouldnt let companies label batteries at 40amp.

 

[sawlight]

And even then, nothing is written in stone as of yet. Right now this is much ado about nothing. They MIGHT be granted the authority to go through with this, they might not.

 

[VHRB2014]

Agree totally, Its like guns. People kill with guns so lets ban guns. People kill with knives lets ban knives. Someone can kill by choking with a telephone cord, lets ban all cords. You can kill with a baseball bat, lets ban those as well. People can sue for spilling hot coffee in their lap, lets just ban coffee and place everyone in little bubbles. Society is turning into a bunch of paranoid idiots trying to fix everything, some of which are caused by people being idiots.

I think one reason around the E-Cigs is because tobacco companies are worried like crazy because they actually work, and they want to create a fear around the e-cig. That's just my thought on it anyway.

You forgot "Cliffs". A lot of people recently have been killed by falling down cliffs.

 

[gin828]

And even then, nothing is written in stone as of yet. Right now this is much ado about nothing. They MIGHT be granted the authority to go through with this, they might not.

Agreed......but its to big of a cash cow for them to leave alone.

 

[sawlight]

Agreed......but its to big of a cash cow for them to leave alone.

Can't and wont argue that point! Back to what I said earlier, we have the best government money can buy!

 

[crxess]

All the FDA and Big T did was buy time to see if vaping was going to get popular, which it did. Now they come with the regulations to shut the small businesses down so Big T can regain the market. Once that happens they will let the states start taxing us to death.

None of them care about exploding mods......If they did, they wouldnt let companies label batteries at 40amp.

My Question is How would they Justify those Taxes?
They Claimed high Tax on cigarettes is to Make them Less Desirable due to Health Risk. Another Tax LIE?
What would be the TAX due to Health Risk for E-cigarettes, requiring High level Taxation?
Perhaps a LIE Based of projected Budgeting on Dependent on Estimated Future Sales and Tax collection on Cigarettes? I thought they wanted them UNDESIRABLE

Apples to Oranges............No, Apples to Sea Food<<<<<<No Comparison

 

[sawlight]

My Question is How would they Justify those Taxes?
They Claimed high Tax on cigarettes is to Make them Less Desirable due to Health Risk. Another Tax LIE?
What would be the TAX due to Health Risk for E-cigarettes, requiring High level Taxation?
Perhaps a LIE Based of projected Budgeting on Dependent on Estimated Future Sales and Tax collection on Cigarettes? I thought they wanted them UNDESIRABLE

Apples to Oranges............No, Apples to Sea Food<<<<<<No Comparison

No, this time the tax is going to be to make them less affordable for low income people (they need saving) and to keep the children from being able to afford them (It's always about the children you know!)
So we need to save the poor people from these evil things, so they don't start bad habits, as we all know they don't have any, and to keep children from buying them.
Remember "If we just save one life with this bill............."

 

[gin828]

My Question is How would they Justify those Taxes?
They Claimed high Tax on cigarettes is to Make them Less Desirable due to Health Risk. Another Tax LIE?
What would be the TAX due to Health Risk for E-cigarettes, requiring High level Taxation?
Perhaps a LIE Based of projected Budgeting on Dependent on Estimated Future Sales and Tax collection on Cigarettes? I thought they wanted them UNDESIRABLE

Apples to Oranges............No, Apples to Sea Food<<<<<<No Comparison

They will give some BS excuse...... You should look into all the taxes the government has added in the last twenty years then tell me they wont tax it. The very first pack of cigarette I bought was Camel non-filter for $.75 last I checked over $5 a pack and that was 4 years ago.

 

[crxess]

They will give some BS excuse...... You should look into all the taxes the government has added in the last twenty years then tell me they wont tax it. The very first pack of cigarette I bought was Camel non-filter for $.75 last I checked over $5 a pack and that was 4 years ago.

One thing I KNOW For FACT - No New Taxes will ever Fix what is Wrong............Chapter 11, followed by Mass Trimming of waste of Space individuals might be a good start though.

Increased Taxes only leads to Increased Spending which leads back to the need for Increased Taxes.

 

[beckdg]

Vaping industry <<<<<here . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . there>>>>>BT vaping garbage products

Explain how this translates to a cash cow, now?

Tapatyped

 

[sawlight]

Vaping industry <<<<<here . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . there>>>>>BT vaping garbage products

Explain how this translates to a cash cow, now?

Tapatyped

For one, they want to charge $1million for each thing, be it a mod or a juice, that kills all the small local shops. For two they want to go back to gear from 2007, cigalikes, what BT has been producing and pretty much everyone else has dropped.
So we kill innovation by charging millions for creating innovation. Then we shut down all the small local shops, and most likely, all the larger shops. Heather's, my freedom smokes, and on and on, and on. BT is the only game left in town who can afford to meet the regulations. So now they get to double dip, you buy there cigs, or you buy their e-cigs. They don't care, they bank either way.
This is one of the biggest fleecing scams we've seen yet.

 

[beckdg]

For one, they want to charge $1million for each thing, be it a mod or a juice, that kills all the small local shops. For two they want to go back to gear from 2007, cigalikes, what BT has been producing and pretty much everyone else has dropped.
So we kill innovation by charging millions for creating innovation. Then we shut down all the small local shops, and most likely, all the larger shops. Heather's, my freedom smokes, and on and on, and on. BT is the only game left in town who can afford to meet the regulations. So now they get to double dip, you buy there cigs, or you buy their e-cigs. They don't care, they bank either way.
This is one of the biggest fleecing scams we've seen yet.

Except currently people are on constant buying sprees. Buying up every new thing to hit the market. Filling vast vape drawers over and over until they have closets full of gear they don't use anymore.

That's what makes this market so strong.

Nearly none of these producers have the $$$ to invest into qualifying 1 of their products let alone their whole line up.

The market simply isn't there. The money and interests are too fragmented, spread out and unique.

This imaginary wealth to be had is just that.

BT doesn't play small potatoes... especially at large investments.

Tapatyped

 

[sawlight]

Except currently people are on constant buying sprees. Buying up every new thing to hit the market. Filling vast vape drawers over and over until they have closets full of gear they don't use anymore.

That's what makes this market so strong.

Nearly none of these producers have the $$$ to invest into qualifying 1 of their products let alone their whole line up.

The market simply isn't there. The money and interests are too fragmented, spread out and unique.

This imaginary wealth to be had is just that.

BT doesn't play small potatoes... especially at large investments.

Tapatyped

You are just looking short term, step back and look at the big picture. What are new vapors going to buy? What are people going to do when the boards in all their fancy wazoo gizmo dies? What are people going to do for juice when they do run out?
I know what you are saying, a lot of people on here are going crazy, but what about the less informed? What about people like me that just can't afford to stockpile gear and juice? What about people that don't think anything is going to happen? (I'm kind of in that light as well, I hold hope for someone with some common sense to step in)
But in the "BIG picture", if this comes through, all local shops are gone, most, if not all juice vendors are gone, what are the people either unaware, or incapable of doing anything, going to do? Buy what we can, from who we can, we wont have any choice.

 

[beckdg]

You are just looking short term, step back and look at the big picture. What are new vapors going to buy? What are people going to do when the boards in all their fancy wazoo gizmo dies? What are people going to do for juice when they do run out?
I know what you are saying, a lot of people on here are going crazy, but what about the less informed? What about people like me that just can't afford to stockpile gear and juice? What about people that don't think anything is going to happen? (I'm kind of in that light as well, I hold hope for someone with some common sense to step in)
But in the "BIG picture", if this comes through, all local shops are gone, most, if not all juice vendors are gone, what are the people either unaware, or incapable of doing anything, going to do? Buy what we can, from who we can, we wont have any choice.

And most will fail.

And more will see the enormous price and inadequate efficacy.

And most won't be return customers. At least not for e-cigs.

The regs they pushed for decimates nearly completely the industry you contest they want.

Tapatyped

 

[sawlight]

And most will fail.

And more will see the enormous price and inadequate efficacy.

And most won't be return customers. At least not for e-cigs.

The regs they pushed for decimates nearly completely the industry you contest they want.

Tapatyped

Yup, then it's easy to just buy a pack of smokes and vaping goes away.

 

[trentenmarschel]

All the FDA and Big T did was buy time to see if vaping was going to get popular, which it did. Now they come with the regulations to shut the small businesses down so Big T can regain the market. Once that happens they will let the states start taxing us to death.

None of them care about exploding mods......If they did, they wouldnt let companies label batteries at 40amp.

I know a great example of businesses being killed by regulation. I live near St.Joseph Missouri, and recently (a few years) the city decided to enact a smoking ban. Well there was a new and small vape shop in town that I went to once, and they were a great small business. The city decided to include E-Cigs in the ban, and that included banning the smoking of anything indoors of any business regardless of who owned the business, this also included bars. So people were unable to go and try out new flavors and test atomizers and tanks and whatnot, so very shortly after that ban went into effect, sure enough the business had to shut their doors. It's stupid crap like this that kills hones small businesses.

The way I see it, if you own the place it should be your decision and yours alone.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Parent leave the concentrated nic on the table (they were DIYing) and get distracted (at least that is what happened in the last incident I heard about).

It's all about the $$. Not just big tobacco & pharma.

Ahh.
It must be the same parents that leave bleach bottles and rat poison on their coffe tables.

I have a problen with fear propaganda.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Vaping industry <<<<<here . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . there>>>>>BT vaping garbage products

Explain how this translates to a cash cow, now?

Tapatyped

1.Customers are addicts.
2. Owning your only competition is the pinnacle of running a business.
3. Killing vaping=0 profit from a billion dollar industry
Owning vape industry=control over a billion dollar industry= profit $$$$$
4. The SOLE purpose of any business is to generate profit for investors.

Its a no-brainer.

 

[beckdg]

1.Customers are addicts.
2. Owning your only competition is the pinnacle of running a business.
3. Killing vaping=0 profit from a billion dollar industry
Owning vape industry=control over a billion dollar industry= profit $$$$$
4. The SOLE purpose of any business is to generate profit for investors.

Its a no-brainer.

It's only a billion $$$ industry based on tons of advancements AFTER 2007.

You can't base profits on now when what's available now will be cut off at the knees.

Addiction means life long customers.

Beating addiction means limited customer base.

Success in the post apocolypse e-cig industry means weaning your customers off your products.

I get what you're saying. But all logic falsifies it for this situation.

Sure they're going to ride it out until it's no longer viable or profitable.

But to think it's going to be a mainstay or a new direction for BT worth pursuing fervently would be ridiculous.

Other than whomever gets the contract to host the FDA rejection site and gains a great, effortless, temporary cash grab.

Tapatyped