E-Cig exploading stigma.

[Bad Ninja]

It's only a billion $$$ industry based on tons of advancements AFTER 2007.

You can't base profits on now when what's available now will be cut off at the knees.

Addiction means life long customers.

Beating addiction means limited customer base.

Success in the post apocolypse e-cig industry means weaning your customers off your products.

I get what you're saying. But all logic falsifies it for this situation.

Sure they're going to ride it out until it's no longer viable or profitable.

But to think it's going to be a mainstay or a new direction for BT worth pursuing fervently would be ridiculous.

Other than whomever gets the contract to host the FDA rejection site and gains a great, effortless, temporary cash grab.

Tapatyped

Try making a pre-2007 e cig in your garage.



BT could easily get any current gear approved...and they might eventually do it, as long as they can ensure a small start up business cant becone a big player.

It about controlling a very profitable, fast growing global industry and the FDA handed it to them gift wrapped.

Its a CEOs wet dream.

 

[beckdg]

Try making a pre-2007 e cig in your garage.



BT could easily get any current gear approved...and they might eventually do it, as long as they can ensure a small start up business cant becone a big player.

It about controlling a very profitable, fast growing global industry and the FDA handed it to them gift wrapped.

Its a CEOs wet dream.

Company with contract rubber stamps the only product of its kind allowed on the market?

Be a bit transparent, don't you think.

Don't forget, this has been a PR stunt from the very beginning.

A stunt like that would have to wait 5 to 10 years to avoid a class action and likely a criminal suit... because they gave the sheeple (lawyers included) their opinion.

Tapatyped

 

[Bad Ninja]

Company with contract rubber stamps the only product of its kind allowed on the market?

Be a bit transparent, don't you think.

Don't forget, this has been a PR stunt from the very beginning.

A stunt like that would have to wait 5 to 10 years to avoid a class action and likely a criminal suit... because they gave the sheeple (lawyers included) their opinion.

Tapatyped

Transparent yes.
Doesn't really matter does it?

Look at which industries are regukated by FDA authority.

Look at the backgrounds of FDA officials.

Pretty obvious transparent conflict of interest there.
Doesnt matter.

 

[beckdg]

Transparent yes.
Doesn't really matter does it?

Look at which industries are regukated by FDA authority.

Look at the backgrounds of FDA officials.

Pretty obvious transparent conflict of interest there.
Doesnt matter.

BUT!

In the event of an issue, the public and the FDA are going to nail BT to the wall. Eventually there won't be a buy out. And after the whole e-cig conundrum cutting into BT & BG monies, I'm sure FDA is going to run a tighter ship.

FDA won't be taking the wrap...

Tapatyped

 

[trentenmarschel]

Honestly, I don't think e-cigs are nearly as addictive as cigarettes. I consider e-cigs as a stepping stone to quitting. when I smoked cigarettes, I switched instantly to fully using my e-cig, and after that, I was able to completely quit the e-cig cold turkey. Until recently when stress has led me to using my ecig again. So if the big companies are betting on the same addictive principles with E-cigs as there was with cigarettes, I think they are in for a big awakening. That is assuming they don't start adding a lot of different addictive chemicals to the e-juice to make it more addictive.

 

[Baditude]

... after that, I was able to completely quit the e-cig cold turkey. Until recently when stress has led me to using my ecig again. So if the big companies are betting on the same addictive principles with E-cigs as there was with cigarettes, I think they are in for a big awakening.

Stress is probably the number one reason why we return to any 'addictive behavior', whether it is cigarettes or e-cigarettes.

 

[Bad Ninja]

BUT!

In the event of an issue, the public and the FDA are going to nail BT to the wall. Eventually there won't be a buy out. And after the whole e-cig conundrum cutting into BT & BG monies, I'm sure FDA is going to run a tighter ship.

FDA won't be taking the wrap...

Tapatyped

What issues?
You mean like when an FDA approved drug turns out to be causing more problems than it treats?

Or the Tobacco/cancer lawsuits?

Class action lawsuits, insurance settlements, payoffs and writeoffs and business as usual.
Pennies on the dollar.
These guys play the long game.

 

[beckdg]

What issues?
You mean like when an FDA approved drug turns out to be causing more problems than it treats?

Or the Tobacco/cancer lawsuits?

Class action lawsuits, insurance settlements, payoffs and writeoffs and business as usual.
Pennies on the dollar.
These guys play the long game.

No

Like exploding batteries
Flavors for children
Etc.

The lawsuits they've conditioned the public to believe aren't frivolous

Tapatyped

 

[trentenmarschel]

I am still using my old school Lavatube 2.5 with an HCigar Kayfun 3.1 Clone, I can't build any coils that are under 1.2 ohm or the Lavatube won't work. I have been considering getting a new mod or mod and tank. If possible it would be nice to get a new mod that I can use the Kayfun with, but if not that's fine. I want to know if anyone has any recommendations for a low price mod (under $100) that uses the screw in atomizer heads like a .5ohm head. I have looked at the E leaf and some aspire mods.

I just took a look at the Volcano Ecig site, and they have quite a bit of new box mods on their website. Some of which GASP!!!! take 3 18650 batteries. (I think not on those).

Anyone have any good recommendations for some good mods that I can use my 510 threaded Kayfun clone on? I may possible switch tanks in the future.

On the Lavatube site this is what I have bookmarked. (times like this I wish I could buy E-cig mods on Amazon).

Kanger SubVod

Tesla 80W TC Box Mod

Eleaf iStick 100W Box Mod

Kangertech KBOX 200W TC Box Mod

Council of Vapor Mini Volt 40W Box Mod

My last inquiry about the above E-Cigs is, how safe is it to use a mod that uses 2 or 3 18650 batteries? Wouldn't that increase the chance of something going wrong with the batteries?

Thanks for the replies.

 

[sawlight]

I am still using my old school Lavatube 2.5 with an HCigar Kayfun 3.1 Clone, I can't build any coils that are under 1.2 ohm or the Lavatube won't work. I have been considering getting a new mod or mod and tank. If possible it would be nice to get a new mod that I can use the Kayfun with, but if not that's fine. I want to know if anyone has any recommendations for a low price mod (under $100) that uses the screw in atomizer heads like a .5ohm head. I have looked at the E leaf and some aspire mods.

I just took a look at the Volcano Ecig site, and they have quite a bit of new box mods on their website. Some of which GASP!!!! take 3 18650 batteries. (I think not on those).

Anyone have any good recommendations for some good mods that I can use my 510 threaded Kayfun clone on? I may possible switch tanks in the future.

On the Lavatube site this is what I have bookmarked. (times like this I wish I could buy E-cig mods on Amazon).

Kanger SubVod

Tesla 80W TC Box Mod

Eleaf iStick 100W Box Mod

Kangertech KBOX 200W TC Box Mod

Council of Vapor Mini Volt 40W Box Mod

My last inquiry about the above E-Cigs is, how safe is it to use a mod that uses 2 or 3 18650 batteries? Wouldn't that increase the chance of something going wrong with the batteries?

Thanks for the replies.

Multiple battery mods do increase the risk, you need to keep them in matched, or married, sets, charge and discharge them as such. Otherwise you end up with a battery that isn't as powerful as the other and it sucks the power out of the good one, then bad things can happen.
As for suggestions, I'd suggest you start another thread so as not to muddy up this one.

 

[rice721]

is your kayfun a 22mm diameter atty? if yes then the istick pico is a popular single 18650 device thats very very stealthy.

I personally like my regulated mods to be somewhat pocketable so I usually go with the smallest form factor mods. For dual 18650s in the sub 100USD range the Sigelei 213 is nice, although you probably won't need that much power with a MTL kayfun setup. I mostly sub ohm with DIY coils and the highest setting I do daily is about 55W, usually in the 35-45 range.

 

[crxess]

You can't base profits on now when what's available now will be cut off at the knees.

Government has been doing that for years..............Oh wait, that's Debt

More Taxes, More wasteful Spending

 

[Bad Ninja]

No

Like exploding batteries
Flavors for children
Etc.

The lawsuits they've conditioned the public to believe aren't frivolous

Tapatyped

Hence the 2007 date.
When improved BT gear arrives these things will be sorted and the public has a 15 minute attention span.

The "flavor for children" rant is all smoke and mirrors.
BT already tried lobbying to ban flavored cigarette papers and it didnt work out.

 

[beckdg]

Hence the 2007 date.
When improved BT gear arrives these things will be sorted and the public has a 15 minute attention span.

The "flavor for children" rant is all smoke and mirrors.
BT already tried lobbying to ban flavored cigarette papers and it didnt work out.

Cool

We're going in circles

We're both intelligent and understand full well how this works.

Just we don't agree who'll be defecating rainbows and roses when it's all said and done.

I won't change your opinion.

You won't change mine.

We don't know which deciding factor will be the game changer until it happens.

So debating every point... is pointless.

Tapatyped