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Non single 18650 squonks don't seem that massive compared to dual 18650.
Squonkabe mods basically add the space equivelant of an extra 18650, or a bit less. There are some work around ones that have ridged tanks and pumps.
Thing is a VV mosfet is almost as large, so a mech dual battery mech squonk won’t be that much larger than a dual VV non squonk. I’ve got dual battery VV squonks myself. A lostvape drone 250c and a VTX200 squonk. They’re pretty big boys.
 
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I have polyester vinyl ester iso fo13 411 470 710 and some bpo
...and you’ve walked right past my personal experience level, lol. Back in art school all I had to do was look at my painting professor who spent over ten years institutionalized because he used polyester resin mixed with heavy metal powders (with his hands!) and still laughed occasionally for no discernible reason. I marked that bit “stay the :censored: away”, and didn’t bother getting into the particulars.

God those painting were beautiful though.

Google is probably your friend on this one, unless there happens to be someone more experienced in the house. Could happen. You never know around here.
 

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Cobalt is the promoter
All I know about cobalt is cobalt blue. It’s one of the heavy metals I mentioned, gorgeous deep blue, totally impervious to light. Lasts for hundreds of years in paintings without fading, and has. Stuff is almost as dangerous as lead though. All the heavy metals are bad, but that one is famously bad.

Cadmium, cobalt, lead, and prussic acid based pigments were all on the “don’t even get this stuff on your hands, let alone in your mouth” list.
 
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Oh and I believe I've solvwd the one battery delima there's a cnc shop down the road they guy who runs it is a friend of a friend he contacted me on FB wants me to educate him on vaping says he wants to get into building custom mods tubes box and squonk. we are currently trying to Make a squonk box that uses a custom lipo battery that's slightly bigger than a 18650 but has the capacity of 2 if anyone knows a place that makes battiers let me know any contributions to our concept will lead to peeps getting prototypes
@Mooch may have a line on this one. He’s the local battery master.
 
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    Oh and I believe I've solvwd the one battery delima there's a cnc shop down the road they guy who runs it is a friend of a friend he contacted me on FB wants me to educate him on vaping says he wants to get into building custom mods tubes box and squonk. we are currently trying to Make a squonk box that uses a custom lipo battery that's slightly bigger than a 18650 but has the capacity of 2 if anyone knows a place that makes battiers let me know any contributions to our concept will lead to peeps getting prototypes

    Custom cells can be built by a large number of companies in China but MOQ usually starts at around 10k pieces. There’s no cell already on the market that fits your requirements?

    Custom cells keep you tied to that one factory too. If you can use a more common size (or chemistry, current rating, capacity, etc.) then you retain a lot of flexibility when sourcing cells, easing stocking requirements and lead times.
     

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    LD I admire your creativity...… To a point. I mean I'm just saying from the sounds of things, sometimes, you seem to want to be END_USER 1 for actually dying from e-cigs.

    No offense, just thought I'd share my like "perspective" on some stuff.

    I mean.... The used to make therapy dolls out of ASPESTOS (old therapy book I read) and there were loving explanations in how to CRAFT one, and I was still like. "Oh wow, how creative and tragically funny" but I also did not "give it a go" either.

    Anna
     

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    (This btw means a person can make their own stab wood without a lot of effort)

    While I have not done it, I have investigated what it takes to stabilize wood. While the process doesn't look too terribly difficult, it does require a vacuum chamber that can create a certain pressure level. While it is also possible to make this chamber, it will still require a vacuum pump that can be a little expensive. Once you have the chamber the process is slow and time consuming, but yeah not overly difficult.
     

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    While I have not done it, I have investigated what it takes to stabilize wood. While the process doesn't look too terribly difficult, it does require a vacuum chamber that can create a certain pressure level. While it is also possible to make this chamber, it will still require a vacuum pump that can be a little expensive. Once you have the chamber the process is slow and time consuming, but yeah not overly difficult.
    People get so overwrought about stabwood. It’s wood soaked in thin epoxy. It’s not new or special. There are ways around the vacuum pump. Also you don’t need a particularly hard vacuum. The vacuum is mostly just to help get the bubbles out. Using a much thinner slower curing epoxy and vibrating the thing is one method. It is a bit slow of course. Another is simply putting the hose of a wetvac on backwards. You don’t really need a super hardcore vacuum chamber. A metal bucket with a lid and some decent duct tape will get you the 1 or 2 negative psi you need. Or you can just live with a few bubbles.
    Also you don’t really need wood. It’s just a handy matrix. Cheapass cellulose Sponges work great too. For those you don’t even need epoxy. Regular ol’ house paint will work, though they take forever to dry. For the true down and dirty ghetto job soak a cellulose sponge in a bottle of futura floor wax. That stuff is even clear. Not as tough as epoxy, but fairly tough. Futura floor wax is a preferred finish for metal sculptures. You can even weld through it though it stinks like mad.
     
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    People get so overwrought about stabwood. It’s wood soaked in thin epoxy. It’s not new or special. There are ways around the vacuum pump. Also you don’t need a particularly hard vacuum. The vacuum is mostly just to help get the bubbles out. Using a much thinner slower curing epoxy and vibrating the thing is one method. It is a bit slow of course. Another is simply putting the hose of a wetvac on backwards. You don’t really need a super hardcore vacuum chamber. A metal bucket with a lid and some decent duct tape will get you the 1 or 2 negative psi you need. Or you can just live with a few bubbles.
    Also you don’t really need wood. It’s just a handy matrix. Cheapass cellulose Sponges work great too. For those you don’t even need epoxy. Regular ol’ house paint will work, though they take forever to dry. For the true down and dirty ghetto job soak a cellulose sponge in a bottle of futura floor wax. That stuff is even clear. Not as tough as epoxy, but fairly tough. Futura floor wax is a preferred finish for metal sculptures. You can even weld through it though it stinks like mad.

    The vacuum's purpose is to suck all the air out of the material allowing the resin to seep into every pore throughout the whole piece. No you don't need hard vacuum but you do need that negative pressure to be constant for hours. A shop vac while a great tool isn't designed to be run under load continuously for that long. I doubt you would make too many blanks before you burned the motor up. Yes the bucket trick works, or even mason jars can work for smaller blanks but I wouldn't suggest skimping on the pump/vacuum. I'd rather buy one pump designed for the purpose than a new shop vac every few pieces/batches I made. Of course if you only plan on making one piece/batch and know you won't mess it up, then using something you have laying around already may can get you through. It is a risk though.

    As for not using a vacuum at all, that might work for thin stock that you might make a pen/mechanical pencil out of but a big thick block for mod making probably won't penetrate all the way through without the vacuum. Maybe if you milled it out first, but then stabilizing it could slightly change dimensions and cause different problems.

    The sponge is an interesting idea, although you really don't need anything to soak up the resin. You could just make a solid block of resin as the blank. You could even make a mold and fill it with resin to waste less material. There are full resin mods out there. You could make really anything out of the stuff like your own custom drip tips, pens, vape build stands, tables, your imagination is the limit.
     

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    The vacuum's purpose is to suck all the air out of the material allowing the resin to seep into every pore throughout the whole piece. No you don't need hard vacuum but you do need that negative pressure to be constant for hours. A shop vac while a great tool isn't designed to be run under load continuously for that long. I doubt you would make too many blanks before you burned the motor up. Yes the bucket trick works, or even mason jars can work for smaller blanks but I wouldn't suggest skimping on the pump/vacuum. I'd rather buy one pump designed for the purpose than a new shop vac every few pieces/batches I made. Of course if you only plan on making one piece/batch and know you won't mess it up, then using something you have laying around already may can get you through. It is a risk though.

    As for not using a vacuum at all, that might work for thin stock that you might make a pen/mechanical pencil out of but a big thick block for mod making probably won't penetrate all the way through without the vacuum. Maybe if you milled it out first, but then stabilizing it could slightly change dimensions and cause different problems.

    The sponge is an interesting idea, although you really don't need anything to soak up the resin. You could just make a solid block of resin as the blank. You could even make a mold and fill it with resin to waste less material. There are full resin mods out there. You could make really anything out of the stuff like your own custom drip tips, pens, vape build stands, tables, your imagination is the limit.
    So this is a business now? You’re talking about manufacturing the stuff professionally? Of course not. Im talking about A piece, not hundreds.

    It doesn’t NEED to penetrate all the way through if you rough the object THEN soak it. People are actually making bricks out of this stuff then machining our the entire thing? What a waste of material. And time. Wood is much easier to deal with if it’s not plasticized first.
    As for solid blocks of resin, there are issues. Resin is fragile, prone to cracking, and all together just not a particularly good plastic. The only advantage it does have is it’s a cold process, so you can suspend stuff in it easily. The wood serves the same function as the fibers in fiberglass (also a resin material btw). It makes it stronger and reduces cracking.
    If you want a piece of solid plastic just buy a piece of lucite or something. Cheaper, easier, faster, higher quality.
    Resin is basically a type of glue more than it is a form of plastic. Look at Japanese lacquerware. That stuff is made of paper stabilized with laquer. Lighter and stronger than resin for that matter. Ancient oriental lacquerware is basically “stabpaper”. Countertop laminate sheets are “stabpaper” too. The plastic they are using is the same stuff they make pool balls out of. I’m forgetting the name. Really old school stuff. It needs heat and pressure though.
     
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    You only need to make one as long as you don't make a mistake when milling it out or if you don't decide to make one as dual battery one as a single+squonk, and maybe try different sizes, colors, or designs. My point is it starts out as one but will often turn into more. I wonder how many people bought their first vape setup and thought they would only ever buy the one....LOL. Look how well that turned out for everyone.

    As to the rest I am not going to engage you in yet another argument. I have given real advice, and potential concerns. It's up to the individual to take it or not.

    Peace.
     

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    You only need to make one as long as you don't make a mistake when milling it out or if you don't decide to make one as dual battery one as a single+squonk, and maybe try different sizes, colors, or designs. My point is it starts out as one but will often turn into more. I wonder how many people bought their first vape setup and thought they would only ever buy the one....LOL. Look how well that turned out for everyone.

    As to the rest I am not going to engage you in yet another argument. I have given real advice, and potential concerns. It's up to the individual to take it or not.

    Peace.
    This is not a debate, it’s an order of facts. I made a statement, I.e, that stabwood was easy to make and people here seem to treat it as a much bigger deal than it actually is. You went out of your way to claim this was false. I pointed out how and why what I was saying was in fact not false, and then you claim you were the one “giving advice” and I was the one arguing with you. You were the one arguing with me.
    Does kind of make me want to do a mod coated in tabletop laminate though. Be tougher and cheaper than any stabwood. Not as pretty of course.
    Bakelite! That’s the stuff! Rusty old brain. Countertop laminate is Bakelite paper. There are other early plastics that are cheaper, tougher, and more environmentally friendly than resin too.
     
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    This is not a debate, it’s an order of facts. I made a statement, I.e, that stabwood was easy to make and people here seem to treat it as a much bigger deal than it actually is. You went out of your way to claim this was false. I pointed out how and why what I was saying was in fact not false, and then you claim you were the one “giving advice” and I was the one arguing with you. You were the one arguing with me..

    WHAT?!?! I AGREED with you that it wasn't too difficult, I merely added that while NOT difficult, that it IS time consuming, and that there was some expense to it. You know what, if you can't understand what I wrote previously, I am not sure why I should even finish this post.
     

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    WHAT?!?! I AGREED with you that it wasn't too difficult, I merely added that while NOT difficult, that it IS time consuming, and that there was some expense to it. You know what, if you can't understand what I wrote previously, I am not sure why I should even finish this post.
    Then don’t. Easier for everyone. I understood what you wrote perfectly.
     
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