Lipo's are not all that bad. They don't fail anymore often then any other lithium type battery. I have lipo packs that are made up of 6 cells 5,000 mah each for my RC airplanes and these little 18650's in a mod scare me more. When they go bad in a mod they can turn into a little bomb. Lipo usually are not in a sealed tube, or a tube with vent holes that are so small they are worthless.
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Lipo's are not all that bad. They don't fail anymore often then any other lithium type battery. I have lipo packs that are made up of 6 cells 5,000 mah each for my RC airplanes and these little 18650's in a mod scare me more. When they go bad in a mod they can turn into a little bomb. Lipo usually are not in a sealed tube, or a tube with vent holes that are so small they are worthless.
They are less safe than IMR, do you agree?
I just don't see the sense in that sort of risk with very little benefit, other than cost. A couple of bucks for a battery seems like a small investment to me.
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I'm reading this thread with interest because I've often thought about moving up to a mech mod for longer lasting battery life. The one thing that really put me off was when I read that it doesn't warn you when your battery is low and that can be dangerous. I'm getting loads of great info from this thread, particularly from EddardinWinter.
I don't think I'll ever get into RBA's I have zero interest in recoiling and making wicks etc but I might just take the leap into mechs to get a good battery I'll just have to do a lot of research first. It really is the safety aspect that's the only thing stopping me.
I also want to echo the sentiments of the OP. My own setup is very simple, Ego V V3 which I love, and mini protank 2's and a protank 2 that I'm very happy with but even the 1300mah V3 doesn't last me but half a day so I'd like to take a look at the next step up.
I don't think I'll ever get into RBA's I have zero interest in recoiling and making wicks etc but I might just take the leap into mechs to get a good battery I'll just have to do a lot of research first. It really is the safety aspect that's the only thing stopping me.
I also want to echo the sentiments of the OP. My own setup is very simple, Ego V V3 which I love, and mini protank 2's and a protank 2 that I'm very happy with but even the 1300mah V3 doesn't last me but half a day so I'd like to take a look at the next step up.
Not enough to matter. Any and all lithium based batteries can and will fail if mistreated. Many of the early lithium battery problems were due to manufacturing defects which doesn't happen often anymore. IMR are high drain cells which are well suited for our mods. ICR are typically lower amp limit batteries which is why they come with protection. Lipo are high drain and a great fit for box mods. Many of the ego batteries use a lipo it is just rolled instead of stacked.
Here is a link to a replacement ego battery
1000mAh ego battery 130700/ lipo battery, View 1000mAh eGo battery 130700, HGB Product Details from Zhuhai Hange Battery Tech. Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com
What kind of batt chemistry is in your current setup?
IMR?
I don't like to trust protection circuit to prevent potential fire cracker pop inside metal tube.
I have no idea. It's an Ego V V3 it supports VV/VW and it turns itself off when it runs out of power. I usually don't let it get that low and charge it. But I read that mech batteries don't warn you when they get low and it can cause problems.
I charge my V3 on my computer with a USB cable. That's become a worry too after a thread I read on here recently lol. I'm not paranoid by nature but I don't want to become one of those 'I thought it would never happen to me' guys.
Just to clarify IMR are safer then ICR. ICR have no business in our mods IMO. IMR is no safer then Lipo.
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Most batt explosions I've seen happened during charging. I've not seen explosion caused by batt drained to low voltage during use. If batt is drained below critical voltage it will loose capacity and likely fit for disposal.
So how do you tell if the battery is drained below critical voltage in a mech that doesn't tell you how much power is left in the battery? And what makes the battery explode during charging? I've charged this one countless times with USB and no problems. Is it completely random they just decide to explode or can you take it as given that if you have charged it this way many times with no problem that there is no technical 'mismatch' that will make it happen?
My understanding is that LiPo will explode. IMR will vent.
I need to clarify that. LiPo will "vent with flame". Explode may be a bit dramatic. But in a sealed container (which can happen if when the battery expands it blocks the vent relief hole on the mod) it becomes explosive.
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You can get a feel of voltage level by vape quality.
The sure fire way to pop some types of Li-Ion Batts is to charge far north of 4.3 volts.
Sometimes defective charges go bonkers and charge way over 4.3v.
You mean does IMR pop like ICR ... Yes they will. Lipo's don't pop since they are in a foil pouch, they just vent with gas and flame. Put a lipo in a sealed tube and they will pop. IMR is safer than ICR only due to the temp at which they go into thermal runaway. ICR is about 150 and IMR is about 250.
I have crashed planes that resulted in a lipo failing and they do not explode, they vent with smoke and fire. The foil isn't strong enough to hold in enough pressure to explode. IMR and ICR both are designed to vent also. It is when they are in a sealed tube that they can explode.
Getting a feel for voltage level by vape quality doesn't work for me on any level.
I don't know what you mean by charging far north of 4.3 volts. Do you mean charging the battery when it's set to 4.3 volts or more?
Are you saying defective chargers change the voltage setting when they charge? And are they defective when you bought them or they just suddenly go haywire?
Genuine questions.
I clarified my post prior to reading this. I agree with the basic thrust of this post. Not enough disagreement to argue about.
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At 3.6v vapor quality is very poor and you would have to be drunk to vape much lower than that.
4.2v chargers sometimes go haywire and charge batts to higher volts which is extremely dangerous. There are a few examples on the web.
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