Looked into mech. mods. Not for me!
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I've had 2 IMR pocket short circuit events before I developed enough sense to always carry batt in proper container. The battery shrink wrap melted before I was able to get hot batt out of pocket. Both times the batts accepted a charge after they cooled. The batt casing did not swell. No venting.
I ran across a short circuit AW batt test on YT.
I ran across a short circuit AW batt test on YT.
I read your original post, but have not filtered thought the 13 pages since! I have wanted to chime in with my $0.02...
Aren't you glad that there are many, many options for us? If mechs aren't for you, there are VV/VW APVs.. if that's not your style, there are eGo style.. even down to the tiny little 650mah versions... the world is your oyster, and there is a device that is your pearl.
Vape on!
Aren't you glad that there are many, many options for us? If mechs aren't for you, there are VV/VW APVs.. if that's not your style, there are eGo style.. even down to the tiny little 650mah versions... the world is your oyster, and there is a device that is your pearl.
Vape on!
I'm not really into mech mods but I am ordering several just because I like to be prepared for any outcome. They will come in handy when the powers that be finally decide to ban work and food and sex since they know what is best for us.
At the time Kick 1 came out, there was only one or two VW products that could be tuned for 'higher wattage' (Darwin [12 watts] and DNA 12 [12 watts, or helixed could do 24 watts]). The few 'VV' devices that could top the Kick 1 at the time were based on stacked battery HV platforms (Examples: Buzz Pro, Saber Max).
Kick 2 adds 5 Watts to that range, and also allows coils down to 0.5 Ohms. This is on par with, or exceeding the range of all but HV setups[I.E. stacked batteries in a VAMO in VV mode], Sub-Ohm unkicked mechs, and DNA 20D mods.
My understanding about the Evolv Kick 2 (please correct me if I'm wrong):
When you sub-Ohm with a Kick 2, it might go into a by-pass mode and work straight off the battery until the voltage gets too low to drive the 'set wattage or more'. At this point it does its best to 'boost' the signal to whatever the Kick is set for as long as the battery voltage has not dipped below safe levels. You still get the short-circuit and low voltage protection and a guaranteed minimum of up to 15 watts for every drag. If my theory is true, then with a battery fresh off the charger, and a sub-ohm atty, it may be possible to exceed the 15 watt setting of the Evolv Kick 2 while it's installed.
I personally have no need for more than 15 watts since I don't build triple and quad coil setups on a regular basis. For my single coil portable set-ups, the 10 Watt Evolv Kick 1 and Artisan Crown 2.0 suits me. I like them quite a lot, and on a scope, all my Kicks and Crowns are quite accurate at delivering the solid and flat signals advertised.
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That is not common. All the stars aligned for that to happen. Most just vent with smoke. With that said that was a vent with fire, not explosion. Hollywood has portrayed fire balls as explosions, they are not explosions.
Yup. Now, there is a lot of battery in that plane, but that's the reason my RC field kit has a fire extinguisher in it and why I keep the batteries in the garage, not the house
And the reason I won't vape a large li-po mod. But that's just me and YMMV as always.
I have seen a lot of lipos vent from crashes and just goofing off trying to get them to go thermal and very few do what that one did. Most just vent with smoke. But like you said that is much more battery than we use, it is not representative of what we would use in our mods. More battery equals more energy.
I keep mine in the house because I have never seen a single report of a lipo go thermal for no reason. It is always while charging or after damage from crash.
Yes, there is always a reason for any battery event. I've seen two lipo packs burn in planes, one from overheating from too much current draw in flight (user error) and one after a crash which resulted in a short. I've never had a problem with any battery venting. I used to keep all my RC gear in the house until one day I had a battery connector wire come loose in a plane while being stored because of a bad solder joint.
That made me realize that no matter how safe I was I could never cover all the basses. No matter how unlikely an event, if the risk is fire in my house with other people in it and all I have to do is put the batteries in the garage to avoid that possibility, I chose the less risky scenario. I also don't charge batteries when I'm not there or when I'm sleeping even though I have a good charger. This works for me, but we're all different and as I've said before, YMMV
Yes, there is always a reason for any battery event. I've seen two lipo packs burn in planes, one from overheating from too much current draw in flight (user error) and one after a crash which resulted in a short. I've never had a problem with any battery venting. I used to keep all my RC gear in the house until one day I had a battery connector wire come loose in a plane while being stored because of a bad solder joint.
That made me realize that no matter how safe I was I could never cover all the basses. No matter how unlikely an event, if the risk is fire in my house with other people in it and all I have to do is put the batteries in the garage to avoid that possibility, I chose the less risky scenario. I also don't charge batteries when I'm not there or when I'm sleeping even though I have a good charger. This works for me, but we're all different and as I've said before, YMMV
Any reason you don't charge batts in ammo box so you don't have to baby sit?
I don't charge any batts when I'm not here .. cell phones, cordless phones, PV batts, power tools, or lipos. Cell phones and PV batts get charged on the stove in the kitchen or beside me when I'm on the computer. Cordless phones where the chargers are in the house. Power tools in the garage. Any others on the stove. Lipos in the garage in a lipo bag unless I'm in there with them
I don't charge any batts when I'm not here .. cell phones, cordless phones, PV batts, power tools, or lipos. Cell phones and PV batts get charged on the stove in the kitchen or beside me when I'm on the computer. Cordless phones where the chargers are in the house. Power tools in the garage. Any others on the stove. Lipos in the garage in a lipo bag unless I'm in there with them
You probably already saw this.
Sounds a little scary.
I hope to minimize ownership of that type of batt chemistry.
"The sound of the 14500 going off was like a stick of dynamite. Couldnt hear anything for like an hour... It was literally cracked in half by the force of the battery casing bullet. Shattered like someone hit it at supersonic speed with a 10-pound sledge."
My 14500 battery explosion, with pictures | BudgetLightForum.com
There are reports of AW IMR batteries doing the same right here on ecf. Here is one... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ures-serious-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html That is why I say the little 18650 batteries scare me more. They can turn into a little bomb sending shrapnel flying.
I forgot about that one.
At the time I was glad to be using smaller 18350 in a safer Altoids mod.
Now I'm using the more powerful 18650 and 18350 in more dangerous tube mods.
Maybe I'll bias toward 18350 use.
Could even switch back to Altoids mod once excitement of polished tube mods wears off.
As long as you take care of your batteries this type of failure is very rare. Most of these failures are from over charging or short. Use a quality charger and only charge while you are home. Use a fuse or kick in mechanical mods and you will be fine.
More dangerous to drive a car for sure.
Lightning strike is probably more likely.
Mr. backpack's batt vented when not in use.
Win the lotto; don't draw batt short straw.
no. this is...
and after the remaining cells of the rebuilt battery were tested to have lost 90% of their capacity they were discharged...
and dissected for signs of catastrophic failure...
for which there was none. uneventful. boo.
though the pack was ruined by discharging it at more than 20 amps less than it's continuous discharge rating in spikes. 200 amp continuous pack ruined on a 30 amp or so average run.
spikes were less than 180 amps.pack never got warm.
I had not seen it emus. Interesting. Bad combination - Trustfire batts which I strongly suspect were ICR and a Trustfire TR-001. IMO probably the charger at fault, but who knows, those batts could have been something entirely different from what they were labeled as. In any case I count on my IMR batteries not to blow up. The lipos I'm a lot more cautious with
I had not seen it emus. Interesting. Bad combination - Trustfire batts which I strongly suspect were ICR and a Trustfire TR-001. IMO probably the charger at fault, but who knows, those batts could have been something entirely different from what they were labeled as. In any case I count on my IMR batteries not to blow up. The lipos I'm a lot more cautious with
Where are we now?
Thinking ICR and Li-Po have firecracker pop potential.
Maybe IMR less likely to firecracker pop.
May your mods be counterfeit and your batts be real; vape on
Where are we now?
Thinking ICR and Li-Po have firecracker pop potential.
Maybe IMR less likely to firecracker pop.
May your mods be counterfeit and your batts be real; vape on
Counterfeit?! NO no no, ... CLONES!
I don't think batteries are ever going to be an issue, or any of the hardware. If they regulate, I think they'll regulate nicotine, and possibly advertising. You may not be able to advertise that you have a vape shop, but they aren't going to stop stores from selling batteries. PG and VG and food flavoring isn't going to be outlawed. If you can get batteries, making a simple mechanicle mod is incredibly easy. For those of us that are set on VV, it's not as easy - but I expect VV batteries (ego twist, Vision Spinner, Kanger evod, etc) will still be available, and I expect there will still be people selling provari's and similar mods. They may have to advertise them differently, but if you know what you want and look around, I expect they'll be available. 18650 batteries were not designed for vaping, and they'll still be around. Making a tank isn't hard, or an atomizer, etc. And for those that don't want to make them, I don't see any effective way for the gov to keep them from being sold.
But I do think they can keep you from openly advertising "this is an e-cig" or "this is a vaporizer" and such. And I do think they can regulate nicotine. And I do think they can pass laws saying essentially "Vaping must be legally treated just like smoking, so if you are in a location where smoking isn't allowed, vaping isn't either".
Stockpiling batteries isn't needed, but at some point, if you're still using nic, you might want to buy/freeze a big batch.
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