Man tackled by concert security over eCig

[ReigntheGamer]

Lol ... Imagine the story he's telling ... it was a Blu cigalike that brought this beating on


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And at a Kid Rock concert at that. I would have kept that story to myself, hung my head in shame and went home.

 

[bluecat]

From the article:

"Kid Rock’s stage manager alleged told security he saw Slough point a laser at the stage. However, the only thing the concertgoer had was an electronic cigarette, which lights up blue when inhaled."

It seems the guards acted without using their brains to see if the guy actually had a laser pointer, before assaulting him.

10 people were ejected. 1 assaulted.
No laser pointer.

The venue has already offered them free tickets to settle the matter.

They declined to accept.

Well apparently they were told by a credible source that someone had a laser. Sorry I missed that.

 

[Completely Average]

The law isn't different, you just haven't actually read it yet and are assuming based on what you've seen.

You assume it's legal because you see them doing it.

And no, most concert security aren't cops, however concerts usually have a ton of uniformed officers doing the actual crowd control. There's a huge pay difference.

The guards in the OP should have called an officer over. I'm sure one was present.

I'm not assuming anything. I have a friend who has done concert setups (MAJOR concerts, like 50-100,000 people in size) and I have several friends and family members who are police officers.

You're the one assuming. I can assure you that if you come here and go to a concert that the "security guards" that are there to enforce crowd control and safety ARE COPS. It's called MOONLIGHTING. They works security jobs while off duty to earn extra income. Since they are off duty they are not allowed to wear their police uniforms, but they are still police and still have the legal authority to enforce the law.

Now, if you want to discuss law, look up the case of Larkin v. Johnson, No. 14-98- 00789-CV. A Texas law enforcement officer that is off duty and in a SECURITY GUARD UNIFORM may still act as a police officer, make arrests, and is still granted IMMUNITY from lawsuits based on acting in a law enforcement capacity despite being off duty.

If you think you're going to push around a security guard at a concert here you're going to find yourself in jail. If you think you're going to sue them for using force to detain or remove you you'll find that no lawyer will take the case because they have immunity. They are almost always police officers, even if they wear a security guard uniform.

 

[Froth]

I'm not assuming anything. I have a friend who has done concert setups (MAJOR concerts, like 50-100,000 people in size) and I have several friends and family members who are police officers.

You're the one assuming. I can assure you that if you come here and go to a concert that the "security guards" that are there to enforce crowd control and safety ARE COPS. It's called MOONLIGHTING. They works security jobs while off duty to earn extra income. Since they are off duty they are not allowed to wear their police uniforms, but they are still police and still have the legal authority to enforce the law.

Now, if you want to discuss law, look up the case of Larkin v. Johnson, No. 14-98- 00789-CV. A Texas law enforcement officer that is off duty and in a SECURITY GUARD UNIFORM may still act as a police officer, make arrests, and is still granted IMMUNITY from lawsuits based on acting in a law enforcement capacity despite being off duty.

If you think you're going to push around a security guard at a concert here you're going to find yourself in jail. If you think you're going to sue them for using force to detain or remove you you'll find that no lawyer will take the case because they have immunity. They are almost always police officers, even if they wear a security guard uniform.

...Laws and procedures change state to state. You're in Texas, I'm not surprised it's the way it is there. Where I live concert security isn't off-duty police as we don't even have enough police to do what is needed without any sort of concert going on. Texas cases don't really carry over to neighboring states if the letter of the law is different in that state.

 

[Thespis]

I don't know maybe this part of the article confused me.

"Kid Rock’s stage manager alleged told security he saw Slough point a laser at the stage. "

Guess you should have finished the paragraph.
"Kid Rock’s stage manager alleged told security he saw Slough point a laser at the stage. However, the only thing the concertgoer had was an electronic cigarette, which lights up blue when inhaled."

 

[Bunnykiller]

the real travisty here is some one didnt know the difference between an ecig and a laser pointer....

 

[skoony]

Guess you should have finished the paragraph.
"Kid Rock’s stage manager alleged told security he saw Slough point a laser at the stage. However, the only thing the concertgoer had was an electronic cigarette, which lights up blue when inhaled."

what?, no blue lasers?
regards
mike

 

[Mad Scientist]

First one has to prove assualt. Second detention is different than arrested. The public and the media generally confuse the two. You can be arrested simply for disobeying an officer. Once at the station you may be released.

I have to ask, are you American? You think an ordinary citizen can stop you from going where you please or not going where you please? Unlawful restraint. Proving assault -- I suppose the victim injured himself? And you can't be arrested just for disobeying an officer. The order must be a lawful order. They can't tell you to stand on your head and spin three times and then arrest you if you refuse. If you are arrested and then released at the station without being charged with anything, you have been arrested for no reason and that is not a lawful arrest. Please, stop just making stuff up.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

I approve of this statement. As a police officer myself I can attest that MOST (dont know if it is in this case) security at concerts are in fact off duty law enforcement being paid by the venue or concert promoter (very well I might add) to act as security back and front of stage, and do keep every bit of thier arrest powers working said job.

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ok, I'm going to bite. How exactly is an off duty cop anything but an ordinary citizen when off duty?? You are not wearing an uniform, you have no supervision(being off duty and all) and all that fun stuff

Normal citizens can arrest people too, can't they...citizens arrest and all that fun stuff?

 

[skoony]

I have to ask, are you American? You think an ordinary citizen can stop you from going where you please or not going where you please? Unlawful restraint. Proving assault -- I suppose the victim injured himself? And you can't be arrested just for disobeying an officer. The order must be a lawful order. They can't tell you to stand on your head and spin three times and then arrest you if you refuse. If you are arrested and then released at the station without being charged with anything, you have been arrested for no reason and that is not a lawful arrest. Please, stop just making stuff up.

?!.
what post are you reading?
unlawful detention?
arrest?
where are you getting this from?
regards
mike

 

[Mad Scientist]

ok, I'm going to bite. How exactly is an off duty cop anything but an ordinary citizen when off duty?? You are not wearing an uniform, you have no supervision(being off duty and all) and all that fun stuff

Normal citizens can arrest people too, can't they...citizens arrest and all that fun stuff?

Depends on the law in the state. In my state, law enforcement has statutory power of arrest without regard for on or off duty status. Unsworn thugs at a concert, not so much.

 

[Mad Scientist]

?!.
what post are you reading?
unlawful detention?
arrest?
where are you getting this from?
regards
mike

Maybe I'm reading it wrong. They tackled some dude and f'him up. Check the thread title. Mentions tackling -- that qualifies as restraint and assault where I live. Possession of a laser pointer isn't a crime where I live. Tackling someone for having one is. What are you talking about?

 

[WillyZee]

Normal citizens can arrest people too, can't they...citizens arrest and all that fun stuff?

yes they can, when actual crimes are being committed ... however, not when they mistake an eCig for pointing a laser in someone's face.

 

[SomeTexan]

You can be arrested simply for disobeying an officer. Once at the station you may be released.

You have that wrong. Although crooked cops think they have the right to arrest you for disobeying them, they do not. That is simply a corrupt police state overstepping their bounds. They are supposed to only make an arrest to protect citizens, if you are being violent or making threats of violence. It is the courts job to figure out if you have commited a crime and what they are going to decide to try to convince jury to convict you for. It's all part of the crooked nanny state that we endure today. All cops are selected after a psychological evaluation, and only the crookedest and scummiesest are selected. They select only the ones that believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. Look at Skoony's replies, cops or wanna be cops are right and the general public is wrong. No matter what. Cops don't believe in innocent until proven guilty, they think that they are judge, jury and executioner. That's why cops get away with backshooting unarmed people. They are all hand selected scum. Simple as that.

 

[Mad Scientist]

You have that wrong. Although crooked cops think they have the right to arrest you for disobeying them, they do not. That is simply a corrupt police state overstepping their bounds. They are supposed to only make an arrest to protect citizens, if you are being violent or making threats of violence. It is the courts job to figure out if you have commited a crime and what they are going to decide to try to convince jury to convict you for. It's all part of the crooked nanny state that we endure today. All cops are selected after a psychological evaluation, and only the crookedest and scummiesest are selected. They select only the ones that believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. Look at Skoony's replies, cops or wanna be cops are right and the general public is wrong. No matter what. Cops don't believe in innocent until proven guilty, they think that they are judge, jury and executioner. That's why cops get away with backshooting unarmed people. They are all hand selected scum. Simple as that.

Your brush is pretty broad there.

 

[bluecat]

Guess you should have finished the paragraph.
"Kid Rock’s stage manager alleged told security he saw Slough point a laser at the stage. However, the only thing the concertgoer had was an electronic cigarette, which lights up blue when inhaled."

Not really. Yes he didn't have. Fact. Fact...the guards were told by a reliable source he did have one. Probable cause.

It doesn't say the source stated he may have one or that it may be a vape. It states clearly that the guards were informed a concertgoer had a laser. Well states allegedy... whatever though. Clearly biased report.

 

[ckquatt]

ok, I'm going to bite. How exactly is an off duty cop anything but an ordinary citizen when off duty?? You are not wearing an uniform, you have no supervision(being off duty and all) and all that fun stuff

Normal citizens can arrest people too, can't they...citizens arrest and all that fun stuff?

What are you biting?

We have arrest powers off duty or on. Technically we're never off duty. It has nothing to do with being in uniform. My uniforms a tshirt, blue jeans, and a baseball cap most of the time. I can make an arrest in pajama bottoms and flip flops if I need to.

There is usually a higher ranking officer on the extra duty details that serves as a supervisor 95% of the time. Be it a detective (me), or a patrol Sgt or Lt.

Yes normal citizens can make arrests, but they fall under different laws than we do.

Any other questions you would like me to answer for you? I enjoy answering questions... and all that fun stuff.

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[bluecat]

You have that wrong. Although crooked cops think they have the right to arrest you for disobeying them, they do not. That is simply a corrupt police state overstepping their bounds. They are supposed to only make an arrest to protect citizens, if you are being violent or making threats of violence. It is the courts job to figure out if you have commited a crime and what they are going to decide to try to convince jury to convict you for. It's all part of the crooked nanny state that we endure today. All cops are selected after a psychological evaluation, and only the crookedest and scummiesest are selected. They select only the ones that believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. Look at Skoony's replies, cops or wanna be cops are right and the general public is wrong. No matter what. Cops don't believe in innocent until proven guilty, they think that they are judge, jury and executioner. That's why cops get away with backshooting unarmed people. They are all hand selected scum. Simple as that.

If an officer tells you to get out of the car and put your has behind your back. You have the right to know why. If you don't you can be forceably detained and or arrested. Once at the station you can be released.

Not sure what you don't get or disagree with. Plainly if you disagree you are wrong.

 

[Thespis]

Not really. Yes he didn't have. Fact. Fact...the guards were told by a reliable source he did have one. Probable cause.

It doesn't say the source stated he may have one or that it may be a vape. It states clearly that the guards were informed a concertgoer had a laser. Well states allegedy... whatever though. Clearly biased report.

LOL. You quote the first sentence as truth and damn the second as biased. In any case, probable cause applies to LEO, not security guards.

 

[Thespis]

ckquatt: If you were the guard in this situation, would you have gone over and tackled the guy or asked him if he had a laser pointer?