So the "reliable source" should be arrested for making a false report...the security guard, for assault, pretty sure he didn't have the time to identify himself as a LEO(if he even was one) before tackling the victim
Man tackled by concert security over eCig
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Not at all. I cannot fathom what you are missing. The guards relied on a credible source an attacked accordingly. Whether he had one or not doesn't matter as to what the guards where doing. I don't know why you can't understand that. Was it excessive? Clearly I don't know as does anyone else.
Definitely ask him what it was and have him show it to me.
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To elaborate a little bit... In no way am I arm chair quarterbacking the situation. I dont know the details. Where the kid was at in the crowd, had he try to get his attention before hand, etc. So I'm just saying what I would do in a perfect situation.
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Are you allowed to engage someone without identifying yourself, or can ya just knock them to the ground, cuff em then tell them who you are?
Also, I understand that if you witness a crime you are duty bound but what about if someone just tells you they thing someone is up to no good, is that cause enough or do you physically have to see the "act" before you can respond?
That's the issue though mate. Was he attacked or detained. Of course he says he was attacked for doing nothing wrong. They all say that. Whether he was or not no one can say from the crap article.
Identifying yourself can be done in many ways. A badge, (I wear mine on a chain around my neck), a shirt that says police or detective, or Security (I've worn those too) or CID (which mine do), or by saying "police officer". All those are announcement enough by law.
If another officer tells me something happened, then by law I can act on it immediately. Thats part of our A.R.S. (articulable reasonable suspision).
If its the normal "person on the street" that tells me something, I have to see it for myself before I can act. Example: a caller calls in something like a speeding vehicle 100 in 45 for example. Tag number and everything. If I make contact with that vehicle I have to see that he's speeding. Radar, laser etc. If I see him and he's doing the speed limit, I can't just stop him.
Did that make any sense?
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What we know from the article. Staff stated someone had a laser. Guard subdued him or attacked. Man had a cigalike. Man claims he was doing nothing.
We don't know if the man gave any resistance.
At the extreme, someone states man has a gun. Guards should walk up to him politely and ask if he is carrying a firearm? Or do we approach as if he has a gun? What would you do?
you don´t read the papers much do you?
owing a laser pointer is not illegal.
pointing it at some one is illegal in most places I
am aware of.
why your at it bone up on the procedures used
to remove a suspected offender from a crowded,
dark and loud venue full of people who are more
likely than not under the influence.
let me know where you get with that.
regards
mike
Completely off-topic, but I have experience with basically this exact situation. I was stopped by an officer while pulling out of a gas station specifically for him to tell me multiple reports had been called in about my specific vehicle speeding down a specific road numerous times in a single day. Won't lie, It was completely me and I was very much speeding(young and stupid, street tuning a recently supercharged car) but the officer was very professional and just reasoned with me about where and what I was doing, issued no citation and sent me on my way. Realistically I'm sure he was looking for something else to cite me with during the traffic stop but growing up with a father who was a State Police officer for 17 years I learned really quickly to be polite, honest and respectful, bonus points for eye contact and both hands in view as much as possible, no reason to add stress to a job that I'm sure is full of it already.
Good Call.
Let me ask you this:
If You witnessed the victim in this exact case, get tackled and choked by security, while in you were uniform, and the victim turned to you and told you he wanted to press charges for assault, what would your next step be?
Do you feel there is probable cause for an assault charge?
( assuming everything happened as stated, and you knew the guy had a vape, and guards thought he had a laser pointer)
What part of this situation involves a car?
Cops can cite you for doing something they believe is wrong, or take you into custody if you are endangering others. They do not have the right to arrest people for ignoring their bs orders. Simple as that. Anything other than that is them abusing their authority. Plainly if you disagree you are wrong.
Correct it has nothing to do with a car or with anything else you stated.
I might have this wrong.
the victim in the story said he was tackled and
choked.
the OP said the guy was dragged off by security.
Did the OP witness the incident?
mike
Ok, exactly what law is violated by pointing a laser pointer at another person in those many places you are aware of? Beyond that, the allegation was that the "suspected offender" pointed a laser pointer "at the stage," not at another person.
Procedures for removing a person from a crowded venue generally would not begin with tackling them. The risk to others as well as the potential for riot or panic caused by that level of escalation indicates to me that the guy doing the tackling had no training and no brains. But if you want, go ahead and explain the proper way to handle a potentially laser pointer possessing "suspected offender."
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