May contain Diacetyl formaldehyde etc...

[Imfallen_Angel]

The parent either didn't know her child had it or gave it to her to play with.

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Murphy's law at play....

10 year old and still putting things in her mouth... not good.

Boise, Idaho man rushed to hospital after fidget spinner became stuck in his anus

How am I not surprised...

 

[The Ocelot]

Thin the herd.

 

[Asbestos4004]

soooooo....those spinners are truly a PITA

 

[bussdriver]

Brings a whole new meaning to 'sit and spin'.

 

[Bad Ninja]

The guy in Boise must have really been annoying someone with that spinner.
Probably discussing politics.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

The guy in Boise must have really been annoying someone with that spinner.
Probably discussing politics.

Well still better than it being a mod, not like some people I "know"...

 

[Tonee N]

What a great distraction, we definitely need more of these on the market. Just add Pokémon Go. [emoji3]

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[bwh79]

And the process they used or I should say the machine cranked up to unrealistic settings made the cells die. Yes, push things to their extremes and show the proof that this or that is bad for you AT THOSE LEVELS.

You miss the point. Cells exposed to e-cigarette vapor showed "significant cell damage" after seven days. "OOH, LOOK HOW SCARY" they said. But is that worse or better than smoking? "Oh, we don't know anything about that, because the cells exposed to cigarette smoke were dead within hours so we couldn't check how they looked after seven days to even make a comparison." Okay, yeah. Probably at least as bad for you as smoking, then...

Polyethylene glycol, also abbreviated PEG............seen that one plenty in European liquids of the past. Now we understand where all the s....y ideas come from.............damn vapers.

PEG-400 can be used for vaping, I've heard. I don't know anything about PEG-3350.

The parent either didn't know her child had it or gave it to her to play with.

So we've ruled out the possibility that the parent knew the child had it, but didn't give it to her?

 

[Tonee N]

You miss the point. Cells exposed to e-cigarette vapor showed "significant cell damage" after seven days. "OOH, LOOK HOW SCARY" they said. But is that worse or better than smoking? "Oh, we don't know anything about that, because the cells exposed to cigarette smoke were dead within hours so we couldn't check how they looked after seven days to even make a comparison." Okay, yeah. Probably at least as bad for you as smoking, then...


PEG-400 can be used for vaping, I've heard. I don't know anything about PEG-3350.


So we've ruled out the possibility that the parent knew the child had it, but didn't give it to her?

But did they heat up the vapor past the normal range of use?

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[Tonee N]

You miss the point. Cells exposed to e-cigarette vapor showed "significant cell damage" after seven days. "OOH, LOOK HOW SCARY" they said. But is that worse or better than smoking? "Oh, we don't know anything about that, because the cells exposed to cigarette smoke were dead within hours so we couldn't check how they looked after seven days to even make a comparison." Okay, yeah. Probably at least as bad for you as smoking, then...


PEG-400 can be used for vaping, I've heard. I don't know anything about PEG-3350.


So we've ruled out the possibility that the parent knew the child had it, but didn't give it to her?

No, we havent. Parents are never wrong.

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[Eskie]

soooooo....those spinners are truly a PITA

Have you been injured by a spinner? You may be entitled to monetary compensation . Contact 1-800-SUE-4YOU

 

[Asbestos4004]

I hear preparation h is developing a spinner

 

[Tonee N]

Hola Vape world,

Quick question,

Recently purchased SVRF's satisfying Rasberry dragonfruit tea flavor. And it is quite good. It's listed ingredients are VG, PG, Flavors and .03 nic.

I figure all is well, however I then notice it has a warning line saying may contain Diacetyl acetyl prop aceltyldyde acetone and formaldehyde. I'm thinking What Da Efffff!!?!?

Is this a prop 65 required label or do some modern e juices still funk with this garbage? Any insight is appreciated.

FYI I have emailed the company...no response yet.

Best,
T$

Tommy I would find a juice you enjoy, that you trust and vape on. I have actually been going out of my norm and found Cream St. Orange Creamsicle which I can't seem to run away from, love it. Another is BLVK Unicorn Wyte label Uniapple.

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[Eskie]

I just found this:

Flavored E-cigarette Liquids Reduce Proliferation and Viability in the CALU3 Airway Epithelial Cell Line. - PubMed - NCBI

And this:

Vapors produced by electronic cigarettes and e-juices with flavorings induce toxicity, oxidative stress, and inflammatory response in lung epitheli... - PubMed - NCBI

Not very encouraging, although I still doubt there's much real world risk.

Maybe this is more encouraging

E-Cigarettes and Toxin Exposure | Annals of Internal Medicine | American College of Physicians

Here's an excerpt of the results to save folks time:

"The e-cigarette–only and NRT-only users had significantly lower metabolite levels for TSNAs (including the
carcinogenic metabolite 4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanol [NNAL]) and VOCs
(including metabolites of the toxins acrolein; acrylamide; acrylonitrile; 1,3-butadiene; and
ethylene oxide) than combustible cigarette–only, dual combustible cigarette–e-cigarette, or
dual combustible cigarette–NRT users. The e-cigarette–only users had significantly lower
NNAL levels than all other groups."

And there's this:
Evidence for harm reduction in COPD smokers who switch to electronic cigarettes

Here are the graphs of results to save folks time too:

Personally, I'm more encouraged by results from actually, like using e cigarettes, and seeing improvements in both decreasing toxic metabolites measured in real people, and evidence of folks with significant lung disease (like lots of us ex-smokers around here likely have to one degree or another) improving with e cigarette use in comparison to smoking. In vitro tissue culture studies are certainly helpful when evaluating outside of actual clinical study (easier to do with cells in a dish than gather up a bunch of actual people and follow them over several years or have them keep coming back for tests of toxin levels, way cheaper too) but are limited to the difficulty in interpretation of cellular responses and correlation with the multiple cell types which make up our lungs (way more types than just the one in the culture dish).

I will also throw out for folks to consider when posting links to scientific articles, particularly when using specific testing techniques which may have both advantages as well as limitation, to recognize that the large majority of folks around here probably lack the knowledge or experience to critically analyze the studies presented, and therefore just work off the title of the article. That in and of itself can be misleading to forum readers unable to to place such published material within context.

Of course that is not meant for those with a medical, cell biology, physiology and/or toxicology background around here. Just sayin'.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Maybe this is more encouraging

E-Cigarettes and Toxin Exposure | Annals of Internal Medicine | American College of Physicians

Here's an excerpt of the results to save folks time:

"The e-cigarette–only and NRT-only users had significantly lower metabolite levels for TSNAs (including the
carcinogenic metabolite 4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanol [NNAL]) and VOCs
(including metabolites of the toxins acrolein; acrylamide; acrylonitrile; 1,3-butadiene; and
ethylene oxide) than combustible cigarette–only, dual combustible cigarette–e-cigarette, or
dual combustible cigarette–NRT users. The e-cigarette–only users had significantly lower
NNAL levels than all other groups."

And there's this:
Evidence for harm reduction in COPD smokers who switch to electronic cigarettes

Here are the graphs of results to save folks time too:
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View attachment 658251

Personally, I'm more encouraged by results from actually, like using e cigarettes, and seeing improvements in both decreasing toxic metabolites measured in real people, and evidence of folks with significant lung disease (like lots of us ex-smokers around here likely have to one degree or another) improving with e cigarette use in comparison to smoking. In vitro tissue culture studies are certainly helpful when evaluating outside of actual clinical study (easier to do with cells in a dish than gather up a bunch of actual people and follow them over several years or have them keep coming back for tests of toxin levels, way cheaper too) but are limited to the difficulty in interpretation of cellular responses and correlation with the multiple cell types which make up our lungs (way more types than just the one in the culture dish).

I will also throw out for folks to consider when posting links to scientific articles, particularly when using specific testing techniques which may have both advantages as well as limitation, to recognize that the large majority of folks around here probably lack the knowledge or experience to critically analyze the studies presented, and therefore just work off the title of the article. That in and of itself can be misleading to forum readers unable to to place such published material within context.

Of course that is not meant for those with a medical, cell biology, physiology and/or toxicology background around here. Just sayin'.

that's what I was gonna say

 

[go_player]

I hear preparation h is developing a spinner

Yep, I def don't trust Big Hemorrhoid.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Yep, I def don't trust Big Hemorrhoid.

 

[Rixsta]

Maybe this is more encouraging

E-Cigarettes and Toxin Exposure | Annals of Internal Medicine | American College of Physicians

Here's an excerpt of the results to save folks time:

"The e-cigarette–only and NRT-only users had significantly lower metabolite levels for TSNAs (including the
carcinogenic metabolite 4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanol [NNAL]) and VOCs
(including metabolites of the toxins acrolein; acrylamide; acrylonitrile; 1,3-butadiene; and
ethylene oxide) than combustible cigarette–only, dual combustible cigarette–e-cigarette, or
dual combustible cigarette–NRT users. The e-cigarette–only users had significantly lower
NNAL levels than all other groups."

And there's this:
Evidence for harm reduction in COPD smokers who switch to electronic cigarettes

Here are the graphs of results to save folks time too:
View attachment 658249

View attachment 658251

Personally, I'm more encouraged by results from actually, like using e cigarettes, and seeing improvements in both decreasing toxic metabolites measured in real people, and evidence of folks with significant lung disease (like lots of us ex-smokers around here likely have to one degree or another) improving with e cigarette use in comparison to smoking. In vitro tissue culture studies are certainly helpful when evaluating outside of actual clinical study (easier to do with cells in a dish than gather up a bunch of actual people and follow them over several years or have them keep coming back for tests of toxin levels, way cheaper too) but are limited to the difficulty in interpretation of cellular responses and correlation with the multiple cell types which make up our lungs (way more types than just the one in the culture dish).

I will also throw out for folks to consider when posting links to scientific articles, particularly when using specific testing techniques which may have both advantages as well as limitation, to recognize that the large majority of folks around here probably lack the knowledge or experience to critically analyze the studies presented, and therefore just work off the title of the article. That in and of itself can be misleading to forum readers unable to to place such published material within context.

Of course that is not meant for those with a medical, cell biology, physiology and/or toxicology background around here. Just sayin'.

Ah this is where you are, hope your well buddy, not seen you over the other place in a long time, people were asking about you.

 

[Eskie]

Ah this is where you are, hope your well buddy, not seen you over the other place in a long time, people were asking about you.

Ah, all well. Busy time for me between work and my daughter graduating and moving back to NY. Tough to make tons of time to bounce around.

 

[Rixsta]

Ah, all well. Busy time for me between work and my daughter graduating and moving back to NY. Tough to make tons of time to bounce around.

All good Eskie, we just miss ya