good review=more referals=more freebies
throw in a curveball of a bad review at times to make it appear genuine
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throw in a curveball of a bad review at times to make it appear genuine
There are 2 types of codes I've seen. The one that a supplier gives out and that can be found in a sticky on the forums and the ones reviewers give out and "some" reviewers hand out at every opportunity. The latter are the ones that smell of self interest well..because they are.
Edit: I should add that I've never seen igetcha spam his codes.
Edit: I should add that I've never seen igetcha spam his codes.
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I, for one, see a discount code as another thing entirely.
I see handing out the code as "quid pro quo" for a company sending me free product.
Here's what I mean by this...
Someone sends me free product to review. In doing so they have to be aware that I am not going to give a biased review just because I got some free stuff...Never going to happen. I've also stated publicly that I would out anyone who even HINTED at wanting me to sway a review for them.
So, they send me free product and I review it. I now have a bunch of product left over so in essence the supplier has done me a solid by "hooking me up" with a bunch of juice.
By giving out a discount code and driving a little bit of business their way, I'm returning the favor in a manner that's unbiased and not liable to sway public opinion about a product. So here's what's happened.
Supplier does me a solid by sending me some product
I review that product and post an objective review...good bad or indifferent
I then do the supplier a solid by affording them the chance of doing a bit extra business...NOT by being dishonest in a review but by saying "if you decide to buy this product, after I've reviewed it, here's a way you can get a little break on the price".
I would include discount codes on products I gave negative reviews to, just as quickly as I would ones that I gave positive reviews to.
Discount codes aren't a manner of making a profit or of getting free stuff. They're a way of helping the community and the suppliers at the same time without having to resort to compromising our integrity to do so.
EDIT : I should say that discount codes aren't a way of getting free stuff FOR ME. I have some discount programs in the works and one that's in full swing but NONE of them include anything about me getting free stuff and never will.
I will NEVER take free product in return for anything but a fair, unbiased, objective review.
I see handing out the code as "quid pro quo" for a company sending me free product.
Here's what I mean by this...
Someone sends me free product to review. In doing so they have to be aware that I am not going to give a biased review just because I got some free stuff...Never going to happen. I've also stated publicly that I would out anyone who even HINTED at wanting me to sway a review for them.
So, they send me free product and I review it. I now have a bunch of product left over so in essence the supplier has done me a solid by "hooking me up" with a bunch of juice.
By giving out a discount code and driving a little bit of business their way, I'm returning the favor in a manner that's unbiased and not liable to sway public opinion about a product. So here's what's happened.
Supplier does me a solid by sending me some product
I review that product and post an objective review...good bad or indifferent
I then do the supplier a solid by affording them the chance of doing a bit extra business...NOT by being dishonest in a review but by saying "if you decide to buy this product, after I've reviewed it, here's a way you can get a little break on the price".
I would include discount codes on products I gave negative reviews to, just as quickly as I would ones that I gave positive reviews to.
Discount codes aren't a manner of making a profit or of getting free stuff. They're a way of helping the community and the suppliers at the same time without having to resort to compromising our integrity to do so.
EDIT : I should say that discount codes aren't a way of getting free stuff FOR ME. I have some discount programs in the works and one that's in full swing but NONE of them include anything about me getting free stuff and never will.
I will NEVER take free product in return for anything but a fair, unbiased, objective review.
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try this code if your buyin a SD "ApO100" and get a 5% discount
if i get 100 referals I get 2 free atomizers from Trog
if i get 500 referals I get a new Screwdriver from Trog
Imagine the reaction that would have , but its the same for these reviwers.
Dont try the code btw , it won't work
If this was put in the coupon code thread, I wouldn't give a damn if you got a hundred SDs if I used it, as long as I got my 5% off!
Lu
I have no "codes" and I make quite clear to anyone who wants me to review a product they are sending to me... that if I don't like it... I will let them know that and they can ask me not to post a review at all... but if people ask me... I will be honest about how I feel about the product. I will not post a biased review tho. I posted a good review for a supermini and went back and ammended the thread after I started having problems with it so people would know what to expect....
In the name of politeness though, I always offer to send the product back if I am not pleased with it and don't do a review of it though.
In the name of politeness though, I always offer to send the product back if I am not pleased with it and don't do a review of it though.
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Oh, hang on, I think I misunderstood. Is the request about thread title to move this conversation with Parked to another thread? If so I disagree, he proved that he belongs here with his undercover marketing and refusal to come clean. People should be made aware of what sort of businessman he is. He had plenty of chances to be open and honest on his own thread.
It's not the code thing alone that's the trouble it the matching review. and reviewers are not stating that by using their code they will benefit from it, that's the point.
giving a code and saving money for people is a good thing . Doing a review to sell a code for referals to allow the reviewer to get more freebies then will bias the review..it has too.
Don't get me wrong , this isnt a bash at all you "reviewers" out there. I had reservations about terra but after actually watching some of his vids I find him quite a character and my initial prejudices have changed , and Igetcha is a down to earth Londoner who i can identify with and had some great helpfull how-to type vids and I can respect the time and effort these guys put in to the vids they do.
What would please me is a sticky in the review section explaining exactly how the discount code scheme works, and maybe even a line under each review stating some like " ALL PRODUCTS REVIEWED SUPPLIED FREE BY E-CIGS R US" or something to that effect.
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The reason I disagree with you is that he has NOT been Blacklisted, and this is a sticky thread. This is obviously something that NEEDED to be SERIOUSLY DISCUSSED, but I feel it would have been more appropriate in another thread, just like the current coupon code discussion would be. Of course, little was made of this when I mentioned it in my previous thread, so maybe this was what it took...
There is a thread on ECF about a supplier, which gives a discount code
There is a post on that thread from a certain reviewer, who supposedly, is not affiliated with any supplier, who gives out his own personl code for the same exact disscount
Now why are these reviewers fighting over what codes the laymen users on this forum should be using? Hmmmm... Why is that?
Come on people it's common sense
If Cash or Janty gives me a discount I don't have a problem using it, they are selling the stuff and I am saving money
Walrus, we are talking about people who don't claim affiliation but give out their own personal codes, and actually fight with other supposedly non-affiliated members who give out their own personal codes, its friggen hypocrisy and that's why you should all give parked a break
So according to ECF, if you get cash for something it's a big no-no, but if you get free stuff, hey what's the harm
To me it's the same thing
If BMW wants to send me a new car or if they want to give me 20K for saying BMW is awesome; well I don't have a problem with either one of those situations
There is a post on that thread from a certain reviewer, who supposedly, is not affiliated with any supplier, who gives out his own personl code for the same exact disscount
Now why are these reviewers fighting over what codes the laymen users on this forum should be using? Hmmmm... Why is that?
Come on people it's common sense
If Cash or Janty gives me a discount I don't have a problem using it, they are selling the stuff and I am saving money
Walrus, we are talking about people who don't claim affiliation but give out their own personal codes, and actually fight with other supposedly non-affiliated members who give out their own personal codes, its friggen hypocrisy and that's why you should all give parked a break
So according to ECF, if you get cash for something it's a big no-no, but if you get free stuff, hey what's the harm
To me it's the same thing
If BMW wants to send me a new car or if they want to give me 20K for saying BMW is awesome; well I don't have a problem with either one of those situations
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Ok, I see what you mean RisingForce, he's not on the front page warning list yet.
He had a choice of dealing with these issues before they arrived here and didn't. I think that engineering a move gives a tainted view of how this came about.
He had a choice of dealing with these issues before they arrived here and didn't. I think that engineering a move gives a tainted view of how this came about.
I personally take 'professional' reviews with a grain of salt. Whether it be for e-cigs, liquids, DVD players, movies, whatever. I listen to what the reviewer has to say, but consider the opinions of the 'everyday joe' to be just as important, if not more.
Bleeding edge adopters have always had to deal with only having industry reviews for new products. It simply takes a while for consumer feedback to appear. No matter the product, if you choose to be an early adopter, you choose to take some risks. If I'm making a high-dollar purchase, I personally am waiting to see what my fellow consumer thinks as well.
Bleeding edge adopters have always had to deal with only having industry reviews for new products. It simply takes a while for consumer feedback to appear. No matter the product, if you choose to be an early adopter, you choose to take some risks. If I'm making a high-dollar purchase, I personally am waiting to see what my fellow consumer thinks as well.
I've actually stated, in reviews of products that I didn't pay for, that I've either been given them by a friend or they were supplied to me by the distributor.
I will, though, go back and add, in writing, that I was given the product for free because I never want anyone to be able to question my integrity.
I want to be completely up-front about everything I do and make sure that nobody every gets a false impression. I'll go do that, now.
which is why it should remain. i love this place because things don't get swept under the rug or moved to the last page because of some hidden good ol' boys network. what's done is done. there was plenty of opportunity to come forth and/or answer open and honest questions.
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I must agree. While I do think it IS fair to leave ONE post in this thread questioning Parked and ONE post with his reply justifying his reviews.. I do not think all these posts "bashing" need to be here... this thread is a warning thread of sorts for newbies and Parked has not had poor customer service or shipped out any faulty product yet (though he may if he is selling Janty Dura's lol!) so it is not fair to bash a new supplier who has not done anything wrong to any of his customers except for those that feel a little decieved.. and that can be resolved by not buying from him if it makes people feel better.
I also was convinced by Parked's review of the Dura C and if I do not like it.. it will be my own fault beause I made the decision to buy it even after the negative Dura reviews. We all know there is the option of waiting until a product comes out to a bunch of people to see what they think before we buy it.. if we get anxious and jump on it before it is properly widely tested... we deserve to get what we get.
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Terraphon-- your reputation with reviews is above reproach--to hell with these unrealistic standards and passing of judgment that is going on here---If someone likes standing in judgment, that speaks volumes about them--making derogatory judgments without careful restraints is outright dangerous---------Sun
The guy did nothing wrong. Leaving this thread is hugely misleading and can and will affect his business.
We now have another supplier with a lot of stock and a wide range of product at good prices. He's obviously committed to the growth of his business so for this thread to be in the 'blacklisted' area is insane.
Forum drama because people are bored or in bad moods is one thing, but this goes way beyond that and can affect a decent person's livelihood.
We now have another supplier with a lot of stock and a wide range of product at good prices. He's obviously committed to the growth of his business so for this thread to be in the 'blacklisted' area is insane.
Forum drama because people are bored or in bad moods is one thing, but this goes way beyond that and can affect a decent person's livelihood.
I'm sorry sun , I don't see any of that here. openess and transparency would a fairer reviewer make.
Technically, I don't think he has broken any rules. There is no rule that someone who MAY become a supplier cannot post reviews before becoming a supplier. I think this is called growing pains...
Let's not limit this to Parked... here is a review by Deficit of the Vapor4Life Vapor King http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/8582-vapor-king-vapor4life-review-deficit.html. Deficit is now working for Vapor4Life, but I'm 99% sure he wasn't when he posted this. He loved the product, met the owner, and at some point after that started working for them. Is this review now a problem? I'm not sure...
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