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I've seen pregnant women smoke ciggs at work i'm not talking vaping. I may judge them but i don't say anything. I think the best i can do is not give her a cigg. I tell my self if that isn't my child it's not my biz.....i'm sure someone in her life that she loves is telling her not to do it, why would she listen to me.
The most i would say is "do you know Nicotine impeds the production of insulin in the body?" and i would leave it at that.
The most i would say is "do you know Nicotine impeds the production of insulin in the body?" and i would leave it at that.
This world would be alot happier place if people would stick to their own stuff and leave other people alone. OK your pregnant now here's your effin bubble you get to live in, have fun while I sit here in front of you enjoying your addiction.
I love how so many people are willing to rely on NO medical knowledge - anecdotes and half-guesses - to state that it's all right for a pregnant woman to use nicotine. A simple search online finds that MULTIPLE studies point to the potential problems with nicotine affecting the human fetus. We're not talking about lung cancer here - it's not just that smoking analogs is gonna put tar in a baby's lungs. We're talking about a *drug* that can be toxic. Smokers/vapers are used to the levels of nicotine we consume. Babies aren't. Did anyone else other than me get violently ill with the first several cigarettes they smoked as youths (I still am amazed I kept smoking)?
I'm not becoming a fervent anti about smoking, but that doesn't mean a) we can pretend that we've found a miracle drug here, b) that "better than analogs" means anything to a developing fetus, or c) that since the neonatal detriment isn't 100% that people should be rolling that die. I know it's hard to quit - we all do. But for every person here who's said that they tried and failed to quit while pregnant, I gotta say that I know 5 women who DID stop smoking while pregnant (and often picked back up after). And this women even stated that she wasn't struggling to quit - she's at least convinced herself that she's doing it for the flavor (and maybe she is...).
Babies do go through withdrawal from drugs passed on from their mothers. And babies specifically do go through nicotine withdrawal from smoking mothers. And nicotine is a *physical stimulant* - so such a drug, circulated into a fetus's system via its mother, "probably won't" affect it? Or, "didn't with my kid"? Neonatal Nicotine Withdrawal Syndrome
I'm not trying to flame, and not trying to troll. In fact, I usually step well back when people start debating things on a personal level like this. However, I can't sit back and allow the OP here to be chastised for speaking honestly and frankly about this - both with the woman as well as with US. He did not say that he treated her rudely, or openly shamed and condemned her for her actions. But he's getting treated a bit like that here by some.
We vapers ARE making the choice to continue consuming nicotine. We know the risks of that. To uncritically assume that vaping while pregnant isn't bad because SOME people had healthy children while smoking analogs is ridiculous. And to assume simply that "at least it's better than smoking" is just as ridiculous. Yes, vaping is "probably better" for us than smoking analogs - but that's because we'd be breathing in tar and multiple carcinogens that cause major problems. But NICOTINE DOES CAUSE PROBLEMS TOO.
The response, "How dare you say something to her," is uncalled for. We evangelize to SO MANY people, proudly, about switching to ecigs because of the health benefit. But someone takes the time to inform someone of the potential health issues of a developing child, and he's an ...? He didn't single her out because of it (he said he noticed it after they'd already been talking for a few mins), and he made it clear that he wasn't mean or judgmental. He just couldn't in good conscience not say something. I respect that more than anything.
I'm not becoming a fervent anti about smoking, but that doesn't mean a) we can pretend that we've found a miracle drug here, b) that "better than analogs" means anything to a developing fetus, or c) that since the neonatal detriment isn't 100% that people should be rolling that die. I know it's hard to quit - we all do. But for every person here who's said that they tried and failed to quit while pregnant, I gotta say that I know 5 women who DID stop smoking while pregnant (and often picked back up after). And this women even stated that she wasn't struggling to quit - she's at least convinced herself that she's doing it for the flavor (and maybe she is...).
Babies do go through withdrawal from drugs passed on from their mothers. And babies specifically do go through nicotine withdrawal from smoking mothers. And nicotine is a *physical stimulant* - so such a drug, circulated into a fetus's system via its mother, "probably won't" affect it? Or, "didn't with my kid"? Neonatal Nicotine Withdrawal Syndrome
I'm not trying to flame, and not trying to troll. In fact, I usually step well back when people start debating things on a personal level like this. However, I can't sit back and allow the OP here to be chastised for speaking honestly and frankly about this - both with the woman as well as with US. He did not say that he treated her rudely, or openly shamed and condemned her for her actions. But he's getting treated a bit like that here by some.
We vapers ARE making the choice to continue consuming nicotine. We know the risks of that. To uncritically assume that vaping while pregnant isn't bad because SOME people had healthy children while smoking analogs is ridiculous. And to assume simply that "at least it's better than smoking" is just as ridiculous. Yes, vaping is "probably better" for us than smoking analogs - but that's because we'd be breathing in tar and multiple carcinogens that cause major problems. But NICOTINE DOES CAUSE PROBLEMS TOO.
The response, "How dare you say something to her," is uncalled for. We evangelize to SO MANY people, proudly, about switching to ecigs because of the health benefit. But someone takes the time to inform someone of the potential health issues of a developing child, and he's an ...? He didn't single her out because of it (he said he noticed it after they'd already been talking for a few mins), and he made it clear that he wasn't mean or judgmental. He just couldn't in good conscience not say something. I respect that more than anything.
I agree fully. It's this gals choice, whether it be right or wrong, so be it.
I know another group who is pushing their ((biased) belifes on another group of people. I think they are called ASH.....
No one's forcing her screamingly against her will to put down the ecig. No one is even trying to force her to do something by disseminating misinformation and lobbying for legal restrictions on her liberty, like ASH or other antis. Someone simply shared information with her, information he hoped would be beneficial to her and her baby. She can take it or leave it, obviously, but he's not a worse person for it.
And these aren't "beliefs" or "opinions" being pushed onto someone else. Feel free to ignore your doctor if you like, but hers will tell her the same thing about nicotine that the OP did. Let's not inch too close to invoking Godwin's Law.
And these aren't "beliefs" or "opinions" being pushed onto someone else. Feel free to ignore your doctor if you like, but hers will tell her the same thing about nicotine that the OP did. Let's not inch too close to invoking Godwin's Law.
LMFAO..So wrong but funny at the same time. I smoked some with my first and she came out at 7lbs even and healthy as can be...I smoked 0 with my second and he came out 8lbs 12oz...also healthy as can be..so healthy they thought he was diabetic cause he was huge! They said he would be a 7 pounder like my daughter because I am very small..Man were they wrong.
mine was 7lbs 7oz and scored 9's on his apgar. they even took him a week early cause they thought he was going to be too big.
To those who are saying that we shouldn't be bashing the OP, I don't think I did personally, but when I read the post, the last line just left a nasty taste in my mouth:
....and it was for that reason alone that I felt the need to post in this thread.
There's a big difference between the antics of the rabid anti's like ASH and someone expressing sincere concern. It's not like he ran up to here and shook a finger in her face. If they had a 25 minute conversation, I doubt she was offended.
It sounds like Bandit managed to slip in some information in a non-confrontational way, and I don't think there's anything wrong with doing so as long as it's done in a respectfully.
Just MHO.
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It sounds like Bandit managed to slip in some information in a non-confrontational way, and I don't think there's anything wrong with doing so as long as it's done in a respectfully.
Just MHO.
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Agreed.
I grew up with my Father smoking , most likely why i do, uhm, did , I remember the road trips, dad's window open a slit, car full of smoke, it was the norm, and none of us three kids have any issues anymore then anyone else because of it. Todays society is hyper sensitive to others doings, why ? I have my own opinions as to where that came from that I could save for another time.
When my wife came out of the wash room with the positive mark on the test (after one hour, she said it went to + so fast, she was assuming it may take a little longer to give an accurate result
) AAr, she came directly to me, and handed me her unopened pack of smokes, I kinda knew right then see. That was her prerogative, not mine. Although I may have spoken with her because she is my wife, and the mother of my child, none the less.
Simply put , living is dangerous to our health, we can certainly use the information provided to us in decisions , also keeping in mind the political agenda's that are associated with much of what we are bombarded with . Of course having common sense is always helpful when being objective to others health concerns in a plus.
I don't know if I'd be as ballsy to go up to a stranger and tell them what to do but you never know, she MAY have thought that it was perfectly harmless and thought that it was OK until somebody told her otherwise, she may have stopped vaping now.. you just never know...
I quit smoking while pregnant, it took a few weeks but I did it.. I don't think anybody should smoke while pregnant no matter how hard it is to quit, but I'm sure not going to tell a stranger what to do.. but like I said.. who knows what effect that convo had on the soon to be mommy, but maybe it made her think at least.
I quit smoking while pregnant, it took a few weeks but I did it.. I don't think anybody should smoke while pregnant no matter how hard it is to quit, but I'm sure not going to tell a stranger what to do.. but like I said.. who knows what effect that convo had on the soon to be mommy, but maybe it made her think at least.
I'm not going to dig deep into this debate. I will say that I had smoked from the time I was 11 years old, and I quit the second I found out I was pregnant with both of my girls. I was 16 years old with my 1st (24 with my second). I knew better, even as a young teen.
I don't have much sympathy for those that say "I can't quit". It's not your choice. It was a sacrifice I HAD to make for my child in order to give them the best start at life that I could. That's that.
I don't have much sympathy for those that say "I can't quit". It's not your choice. It was a sacrifice I HAD to make for my child in order to give them the best start at life that I could. That's that.
didn't read the whole thread, so sorry if any of this has been said before.....
30 years ago they might have believed that, but I work around NICU Nurse Case Managers every day, and the reason for cutting down on the caffeinne is because it tends to cause the premature births, from what they say.....just something to consider
as for the original topic, it's funny that this comes up....I was just thinking about this topic out of the blue 2 days ago. Who knows, maybe they'll find out eventually that vaping has no effect on unborn children without all the excess crap that's in a real cigg.....but until they figure it out, I wouldn't personally risk it if I were a pregnant woman. Unfortunately though, you can't change others from doing what they're going to do.....
30 years ago they might have believed that, but I work around NICU Nurse Case Managers every day, and the reason for cutting down on the caffeinne is because it tends to cause the premature births, from what they say.....just something to consider
as for the original topic, it's funny that this comes up....I was just thinking about this topic out of the blue 2 days ago. Who knows, maybe they'll find out eventually that vaping has no effect on unborn children without all the excess crap that's in a real cigg.....but until they figure it out, I wouldn't personally risk it if I were a pregnant woman. Unfortunately though, you can't change others from doing what they're going to do.....
I would just add to my previous post that the cause of my neice's premature birth was in no way connected to caffeine: it was due to medical negligence during a previous delivery (sadly,my first neice died aged 5 days old) that left my sister unable to carry for the full term.
The OP left a kind of nasty taste in my mouth also. What we have become is a nation of do-gooders who rely solely on telling people what they should or should not do as if on a mission to make the world right with words and scolding. What we have not done is back those do-gooder words with action. I don't see evidence of any movement to actively help those in poverty or those who suffer from abuse or mental illness. All I hear are WORDS. Pregnancy is indeed a beautiful thing, and nothing could ever be more precious than a child. Meanwhile, day to day life goes on when one is pregnant, and the struggles to always do the right thing can be monumentally stressful. One does what one can.
Not if he had called her that to her face - but that was obviously just a side comment made here.
Haven't you ever talked to someone, then walked away shaking your head, thinking, 'wow, what a dumbass'. I know I have. (I hope you're not doing it right now.
) I'm guessing you've even done a 'nooooo, that doesn't make your .... look big', while thinking 'not anymore than everything else'. Fortunately, our real thoughts aren't always known.
I had to speak my mind... I didn't put her down, but she certainly got my point.quote]
Maybe we're all reading this a little differently. I zeroed in on the word 'politely' but I'd like to know what 'speaking my mind' really consisted of. I thought the length of the convo indicated that it was a pleasant exchange. Maybe I'm wrong.
I am extremely live and let live - but I have a tendancy to speak my mind as well, but I can usually do it in a friendly/joking way so ppl don't tend to get (too
Care to elaborate, Bandit?
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