Metal in e-cigs vapor

[NotoriousJDP]

Wow...This is scary

We tested the hypothesis that EC aerosol contains metals derived from various components in EC.
[h=3]Methods[/h]Cartomizer contents and aerosols were analyzed using light and electron microscopy, cytotoxicity testing, x-ray microanalysis, particle counting, and inductively coupled plasma optical emission spectrometry.
[h=3]Results[/h]

Read more here:
www. plosone .org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0057987#

 

[NotoriousJDP]

Read more here.

www. plosone .org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0057987
PLOS ONE: Metal and Silicate Particles Including Nanoparticles Are Present in Electronic Cigarette Cartomizer Fluid and Aerosol

 

[ScottP]

articles. mercola .com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/14/Most-Common-Source-of-Calories-in-US-is-LOADED-With-Mercury.aspx

There is mercury in nearly 50% of the supply of high fructose corn syrup.

Mercury is so toxic that it requires a hazmat team to clean up spills. High fructose corn syrup is used as a sweetener in practically everything we eat or drink. It is in breakfast cereal, sodas, cookies, twinkies, everything.

 

[NotoriousJDP]

Maybe should of did more research before posting this. I almost immediately found this after posting:

Metals and nanoparticles in e-cigarettes-Commentary

This makes me feel a little better but I think I might just have some kind of new vaper-phobia or maybe I'm just having a hard time adjusting, per the old saying: if it's too good to be true it probably is. I keep finding myself doubting that e-cigs are really as good as they seem.

 

[Kycap]

At the very least, or the very worse, you are not smoking stinkies....... hopefully.

 

[NotoriousJDP]

Nope, not smoking stinkies at all, and it's AWESOME. Just keep thinking that some information will pop up out of nowhere telling me I'm now even more doomed because I vape instead of smoke.

 

[Talyon]

Just keep thinking that some information will pop up out of nowhere telling me I'm now even more doomed because I vape instead of smoke.

I doubt this very much, with today's tech we would already know most of this question, however longer term might still be a minor issue, but I doubt it IMHO.

If this info exists, the FDA well present it along with their deeming regulations etc etc etc. But this time not lie about it.

 

[CES]

Read more here.

www. plosone .org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0057987
PLOS ONE: Metal and Silicate Particles Including Nanoparticles Are Present in Electronic Cigarette Cartomizer Fluid and Aerosol

The main author of the PLoS study (Dr. Prue Talbot) is reported to have an anti-vaping agenda, so likely has an investment in interpreting the results in the worst possible light.

Maybe should of did more research before posting this. I almost immediately found this after posting:

Metals and nanoparticles in e-cigarettes-Commentary

This makes me feel a little better but I think I might just have some kind of new vaper-phobia or maybe I'm just having a hard time adjusting, per the old saying: if it's too good to be true it probably is. I keep finding myself doubting that e-cigs are really as good as they seem.

Dr. Farsalinos did a good job of putting the study results into context, and making comparisons that should have been part of the original study.


Quality control is an ongoing issue, for just about everything we ingest or inhale.

So making sure we have the best possible information on which to base our decisions is important. There are references in the The ECF Library , and on the CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association webpage, so that any of us can find enough information to make the decision that is right for us.

 

[sonicdsl]

Moved to Media & General News
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Also, please remember to break links to junk science & other rubbish. Here's why:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html

 

[stevegmu]

Given the fear of e-cigarettes by the major tobacco and pharmaceutical companies, I'm sure they have spent $millions trying to prove e-cigarettes are toxic. As I am yet to find any study saying this is the case, I would have to believe the opposite to be true. While they will never release a study showing e-cigarettes are relatively harmless, they would go to the media with results showing they are dangerous. Let the 'enemy' do the research in this case. I'm sure they are.

 

[2coils]

The alleged agenda of Prue Talbot has been discussed here on ECF many times. As stated above Dr. Farsalinos did a pretty good job of putting these findings in relative terms. The more time I spend on ECF, the more i realize one has to look at the party or persons conducting these studies as the results can be spun several different ways.

 

[Elnroth]

I would like to point out that the subject matter of this study is quickly becoming obsolete, atleast within our community. Cartomizers are quickly falling out of common use as technology is quickly advancing. My local B&M is really only selling T3, protank, iclear style devices these days. (May be different elsewhere, please feel free to correct me)

Maybe we can use this to our advantage. We could point out that these "issues" no longer apply to us, granted we are only ~15% (Don't hold me to this number) of the market share, and only apply to the cigalike companies who are trying to build a business model withinthe current regulations they believe will occur at the federal level.

This stance could take relevance from the Pru Talbot study, seeing as strait debunking it doesn't work because many legislators think she walks on water, and better our footing against requiring tobacco licensing for vendors; As that would place the market in the hands of companies that use this "old" technology that has all these "health risks".

Maybe I'm just rambling, I should get another cup of coffee

 

[SilverCloud]

As we see "Big Tobacco" losing more profits and our beloved government lose even more tax revenue...expect more tainted or biased "studies" on e-cigs to surface, compliments of BT's bottomless pockets and lobbyists. And the "government" will favor them I'm afraid, because they're losing revenue as well.
Already we've seen BT bringing inferior e-cig products to the market, backed by farce advertising which IMO...is a concerted yet futile effort to steer their customers back to tobacco. Nice try! Now pass the popcorn, as we see BT's magic henchmen and their puppet Politicians desperately trying to twist and turn legislation behind our backs...in every State, one at a time. As a proud CASSAA Member, I stand ready to expose any fraud, lies and propaganda they try to throw onto the Vaping Table.

Indeed, the next year or so will prove interesting in the world of e-cigs.

Vape well.... with both eyes open.

Bri

 

[TomCatt]

articles. mercola .com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/14/Most-Common-Source-of-Calories-in-US-is-LOADED-With-Mercury.aspx

There is mercury in nearly 50% of the supply of high fructose corn syrup.

Mercury is so toxic that it requires a hazmat team to clean up spills. High fructose corn syrup is used as a sweetener in practically everything we eat or drink. It is in breakfast cereal, sodas, cookies, twinkies, everything.

The FDA was a real shining beacon of light in 2009 ::sarcasm::

Why is the FDA unwilling to study evidence of mercury in high-fructose corn syrup? | Grist

 

[DC2]

please feel free to correct me...

I "liked" your post simply because you said this.
I have no idea if you need any "correcting" but I'm glad you're open to it.

It's unfortunate that people need to actually say this, since everyone should feel free to correct things.
But it's more unfortunate that there are so many people that take offense at being corrected that you feel you have to say that.

Being corrected should be a given, unless we want to live in a world where ignorance is allowed to flourish.

 

[DC2]

As we see "Big Tobacco" losing more profits and our beloved government lose even more tax revenue...expect more tainted or biased "studies" on e-cigs to surface, compliments of BT's bottomless pockets and lobbyists. And the "government" will favor them I'm afraid, because they're losing revenue as well.

Just a slight correction...


The "negative" studies we are seeing are, for the most part, being funded by Big Pharma.
I don't even think Big Tobacco can fund studies because there is a moratorium of sorts on accepting Big Tobacco money for studies.

 

[Elnroth]

I "liked" your post simply because you said this.
I have no idea if you need any "correcting" but I'm glad you're open to it.

It's unfortunate that people need to actually say this, since everyone should feel free to correct things.
But it's more unfortunate that there are so many people that take offense at being corrected that you feel you have to say that.

Being corrected should be a given, unless we want to live in a world where ignorance is allowed to flourish.

Thanks. I have no problem with being corrected, being corrected is just an opportunity to learn something. But the information stated there is just from what I've been able to observe. I would greatly appreciate if someone had some hard information on the truthfulness off that statement.

Then can I take it you don't agree with my idea to use their own misinformation against them?

 

[DC2]

Thanks. I have no problem with being corrected, being corrected is just an opportunity to learn something. But the information stated there is just from what I've been able to observe. I would greatly appreciate if someone had some hard information on the truthfulness off that statement.

Then can I take it you don't agree with my idea to use their own misinformation against them?

I didn't read the rest of your post before "liking" it and replying to it.
I was just so excited to see someone say "correct me if I'm wrong" which I like to say when I am not sure of what I'm saying.


As for using their own misinformation against them, that should be a goal without question.
But the media picks up their crap, and ignores ours, so it is harder than it sounds.


That doesn't mean we might not be able to sway some politicians with open minds.
Assuming, of course, that isn't an oxymoron.

 

[AgentAnia]

Whenever I read articles referencing those old, debunked studies, my reaction is "Oh that is so 2009..."