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Just want some more cents on this matter... thinking about getting two good mics.

I just need some more opinions on recording in the room we have... 12-14' ceilings, beside a room with a fire place - the back of which is exposed in our jam room... I'd like to change those dimensions, and stone reverb wall, but it's a rental, and I may not be here much longer..

What mics should I look into for this application? I may have 2-3 in the room, and maybe one outside the room- just in case, cuz it can get weird.. I have no idea about mics though.

All I need is someone behind banging coconuts together..

Www.soundcloud.com/suspect-k repost, cuz the first two are pretty noice.


I like Shure SM57 for amps and SM58 vocal mics for live performance, but there are lots of choices in brands and types. SM57 is a good choice for micing amps in the studio. You get dual use (live and studio) if cost is an issue. In my home studio my vocal mic is an Audio Technica AT2020 condenser with a gooseneck mounted pop filter.

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http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT2020-Cardioid-Condenser-Microphone/dp/B0006H92QK

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http://www.amazon.com/Shure-SM57-LC...TF8&qid=1421099811&sr=8-2&keywords=shure+sm57
 
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Thanks!

Since we're a jam band, I think we have to figure out something with the room... thankfully, our house we're renting has vaulted ceilings in the back, and our room has ~8foot ceilings..carpet..and no stone from a chimney. :)

I thought I could get away with balancing different areas in and out of room, but I'll leave my wild theories for where they are applicable.:)

Thanks again..
 

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Hey, you guys have any experience with harmony effects units? Looking to set up a rack unit and ditch my pedals etc. and as it is in my nature, have been drooling over a lot of equipment I might not really need. Ok, to hell with needing it............. is it fun and useful to own? any body have one? and what is it?
 

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Hey, you guys have any experience with harmony effects units? Looking to set up a rack unit and ditch my pedals etc. and as it is in my nature, have been drooling over a lot of equipment I might not really need. Ok, to hell with needing it............. is it fun and useful to own? any body have one? and what is it?

All my pedals are in the closet right now. Just about everything I need is covered by my Peavey Tube 60 with built in programmable stomp boxes and effects controlled by a Sanpera II foot controller. There are lots of options to explore. If you are going to rack effects, that's a big change.

This might help in your search.
Mass Effect: The Top 50 Stomp Boxes, Devices and Processors of All Time | Guitar World

Some rack effects are in the review list here
http://www.guitarworld.com/search/guitar rack effects

I liked this one in the video, but it's a floor multi-effects unit.
http://www.guitarworld.com/review-line-6-pod-hd500x-multi-effect-processor
 
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I use a tc helicon voice live touch. it is quite natural sounding... well for vocal harmonies. it reads the chords you play either by audio or midi and give harmonies (up to 4 additional voicings) based on the chord played. The boss sounded very robotic to me.they make it as a voice rack too but you need a pedal or midi trigger to turn it on and off. I like the touch as it mounts to my mic stand and I can change things on the fly, sometimes while performing I have to, either by song or forgetting to change the upper or lower harmoney before starting

I need vocal harmonies. I met many a player that had no clue on singing harmonies. so I got the tc helicon. though it says it needs chords, it actually worked decent with the bass too. then playing solo I think it adds a lot to songs. I have used it in bands that had vocals too as some songs are studio dubbed to need 5-6 good singers to accomplish all the harmonies and unrealistic for stage
 

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I'll post what I have for recording later on today...a friend traded it "temporarily" for a mixer..

I could segregate the drummer, and record other instruments straight in, but I'd hate to throw off the feeling of it...*edit- just by some dampening of how we're hearing the drums.* writing/recording in steps/planning isn't how we do things.. and I always try to avoid that. But we don't need to look at each other, if carpet is enough.

I'm just trying not to think I need a custom made bass..or high end bass at any extent...I think the mtd $1000 basses are up my alley, but I'm nervous about the string spacing/neck width hurting my wrist and arm, but I'm basing this off of experience with my old fender 5string...I know it will elevate my slap skills enormously though..

I inquired about a conklin, but I think I'd be afraid of taking it on the road..so I'm caught between being rational$1-2k, irrational$3-5k, or insane$5-7+(cuz I have great ideas for a custom inlay(s) and all the other stuff they offer.

I'm going to a shop tomorrow, and I'm really going to battle off the peavy and line6...I was disappointed with the line6, but I didn't get loud at all...demo effects seemed flat too..

And I'm waiting for that tax return, because I'm thinking virus c is going to be my next grab... unless I can play a ti or tii...I love the process of synthesizers, but my r3 is falling short for me now...

Guns and music gear...if only they didn't cost so much...at least I'm not buying a mod every month:).
 
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I'll post what I have for recording later on today...a friend traded it "temporarily" for a mixer..

I could segregate the drummer, and record other instruments straight in, but I'd hate to throw off the feeling of it...*edit- just by some dampening of how we're hearing the drums.* writing/recording in steps/planning isn't how we do things.. and I always try to avoid that. But we don't need to look at each other, if carpet is enough.

I'm just trying not to think I need a custom made bass..or high end bass at any extent...I think the mtd $1000 basses are up my alley, but I'm nervous about the string spacing/neck width hurting my wrist and arm, but I'm basing this off of experience with my old fender 5string...I know it will elevate my slap skills enormously though..

I inquired about a conklin, but I think I'd be afraid of taking it on the road..so I'm caught between being rational$1-2k, irrational$3-5k, or insane$5-7+(cuz I have great ideas for a custom inlay(s) and all the other stuff they offer.

I'm going to a shop tomorrow, and I'm really going to battle off the peavy and line6...I was disappointed with the line6, but I didn't get loud at all...demo effects seemed flat too..


And I'm waiting for that tax return, because I'm thinking virus c is going to be my next grab... unless I can play a ti or tii...I love the process of synthesizers, but my r3 is falling short for me now...

Guns and music gear...if only they didn't cost so much...at least I'm not buying a mod every month:).

Being a bass player narrows down the effects, but there's lots of options. The only way to figure out what's best is to go out and play them. I spent a lot of time a few years ago making the rounds and hanging out in all the music shops. It pays to see it all before plunking down the cash.
 
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I bought a Marshall hybrid 1-12", a Line 6 1-12", a Vox 2-12", and a Roland Cube 60 and used them all for a while and sold all but the Roland on consignment at a local shop. Then, I discovered the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60, also a 1-12" amp. Outside gigs are the best test of an amp's abilities, IMO. The Tube 60 held it's own at a wedding reception on a covered concrete pavilion quite well. Even with a loud drummer, keyboardist, bass player, and a mic'ed acoustic, I never had to go past 3 or 4 on the master and I was loud and clean. I guess I've had that Tube 60 for about 5 years and it's still my favorite amp. I still have the Roland Cube 60 for home use and backup to my Peavey.

Here's a link with multiple demos by a guy named Mattias Arp. He goes through pretty much all the models and effects in the video list. Click on the YouTube icon and there's a sidebar with lots more videos of his Tube 60 demos. It's worth watching just to check out his talent and see how he puts it all together.
 
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All my pedals are in the closet right now. Just about everything I need is covered by my Peavey Tube 60 with built in programmable stomp boxes and effects controlled by a Sanpera II foot controller. There are lots of options to explore. If you are going to rack effects, that's a big change.

Hey thanks for the info and links.

Right now, I am just looking at multi part digital harmony processors,,, mostly :)

I am not doing gigs or anything on a professional level, haven't played live for longer than some here have been alive! Just working on collecting stuff for a home studio. As only a semi serious hobbyist I am perfectly happy being a bit behind the technology curve, learning, and saving cash along the way.

The only rack effects I have at this point is a DigiTech TSR-24S. I dicked around with a buddies DigiTech RP pedal and was more than a little surprised that it sounded good, so I bought a few DigiTech pedals awhile back. RP300A for my six and a BP200 for my bass, probably will sell them. I got rid of all the Korg AX pedals I had, still have a G3. Considering how nice the effects were in my Korg 16D (sold that too) I was surprised I did not like them at all, and they were difficult "for me" to navigate" with my crap eyesight, the G3 is easy but not a great box. I think will always keep my Boss heavy metal HM2 however.

Tried a few of the lower price point used racks at a B&M and didn't think they held up against the sound of the DigiTech pedals I have so I went DigiTech for my first multi effect rack.
I have only had the TRS for a few days and other than being a little confusing I like it OK but already am thinking for simplicity getting single effect stuff and physically chaining them instead of doing it on the screen in layers or whatever it's called. Maybe I can get used to it. Really only went through it to make sure everything worked after it arrived.

Fun stuff!
 

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well if you aren't playing live, the cheapest vocal harmonizer is just keep adding tracks and sing them LOL
but the best I have tried is the tc helicon line. and the vlt has a big screen, touch like a cel phone.

I have some zoom stuff as well. I like the little G1u as I can program it on screen by plugging into usb and seeing things. even my fender amp has usb and on screen programming. I hate those little screens
 

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well if you aren't playing live, the cheapest vocal harmonizer is just keep adding tracks and sing them LOL
but the best I have tried is the tc helicon line. and the vlt has a big screen, touch like a cel phone.

I have some zoom stuff as well. I like the little G1u as I can program it on screen by plugging into usb and seeing things. even my fender amp has usb and on screen programming. I hate those little screens

Thanks, meant to reply earlier, that is just the type of info I need,,,,,, well other than the repeated multitrack option, heh :) The TC Helicon line seems to come highly recommended.

Yes, hate those little screens! what the hell were they thinking? seams a VGA plug would just not add that much to the price. I hope to get a Roland 2480 or 2400 someday for that reason. Replaced my Korg 16D with a Yamaha AW16G which I have not really even messed with much yet.

I am the type of guy who like hands on and real sound equipment, what I mean by that is making music through direct plug recording and fiddling with it from there is of no interest. I want to get the sounds I am after and be able to reproduce them no hassle in a live band setting if and when necessary. I do plan on the occasional jams with the old crew.
 

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I totally agree. I bought my zoom r24 for recording because it has faders and crap, no mouse clicks. it will sync up with a computer program but it has 8 inputs (xlr and 1/4") and 24 tracks. I pop it into a laptop bag and take it with me to record where I want. even the built in stereo mics are nice.

it has built in fx and amp simulators and such that are quite nice actually, compressors, delays etc... the zoom guitar pedal I picked a 10 patch area and preset all my sounds and such in those, then use it no screen on stage. I use the guitar harmonizer on one song, auto wah on a couple (I can add an expression pedal for more control of the wah but I am not a lead guitarist, I just fake it hehe)

in the one band I was in the bass player got the boss harmonizer after he saw mine. his was cheaper... and it sounded cheaper. I thought of mr roboto. the tc helicon has many fx, even some guitar stuff depending on the model. you might even look at the live electric. it has lots of useable guitar fx and a harmonizer. We were doing some queen with our 3 pce and I was the only vocalist... oh ya there is a looper built in I never use, autotune... some bizarre fx if you are into electro pop

Here is one video live showing using a lower harmony (you can use up to 4 not incl your voice)
 

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I bought a Marshall hybrid 1-12", a Line 6 1-12", then a Vox 2-12", used them all for a while and sold them both on consignment at a local shop. Then, I discovered the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60, also a 1-12" amp. Outside gigs are the best test of an amp's abilities, IMO. The Tube 60 held it's own at a wedding reception on a covered concrete pavilion quite well. Even with a loud drummer, keyboardist, bass player, and a mic'ed acoustic, I never had to go past 3 or 4 on the master and I was loud and clean. I guess I've had that Tube 60 for about 5 years and it's still my favorite amp.

Here's a link with multiple demos by a guy named Mattias Arp. He goes through pretty much all the models and effects in the video list. Click on the YouTube icon and there's a sidebar with lots more videos of his Tube 60 demos. It's worth watching just to check out his talent and see how he puts it all together.


Thanks, I'm about to go take a test to further my progress in society, but I'll definitely check them out.

I even brought my guitar to the shop to try out...neck-thru, dual-hum. I'm going to give the line6 another chance, but I'm going to use the single speaker models...

Oh... just ran to see what I have to record, 8track fostex MR-8HD digital multi-tracker. It's sounded good before, but I DON'T KNOW. :)
 

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I need 4 effects settings on stage for the music we play. I play a clean setting, one with Southern Rock style distortion, a chorus setting, and a setting that's lightly distorted with multiple echoes when I want to do fills with an ethereal quality.

My clean sound and my chorus are based on the Tube 60 Twin Reverb (Fender) model. The Plexi (Marshall stack) model handles anything with distortion. I lean toward some level of overdrive on most tunes, anyway. A guitar that's too clean is boring in rock style music, but just right in bluegrass ... go figure. Even in modern country music where guitars were always clean in the past, they are down and dirty these days. I think that's because rock died for a while in the 80s when disco was king and lots of rock players went to work in country bands where there was still work to be had.
 
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Hey, can I jam with you guys?

I've played drums since I was 12. Played in my first garage band at 15. While I never "hit it big", I've been very fortunate to have played in some great bands with some great players. I always used to say I played with some of the very best musicians you've never heard of.

In the 90's, one band in particular opened up for the Allman Brothers, Kansas, REO Speedwagon, Loverboy, Foghat, Lynyrd Skynyrd, George Thorogood, etc.

These days, I rarely play, but have a side business making drums. Rathkamp Drums
 
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