MVP question?

[Ch!pDasRipp3r]

The battery life is massive, it's extremely durable and well built, it has an output for charging other devices, it's top pocketable, and looks sleek.
I take it everywhere I go, and not needing to worry about or carry a backup battery is awesome.
Not to mention vv and vw. It truly is a phenomenal device!

 

[CommaHolly]

You make a thread asking why people would buy a $50 disposable that lasts at least a year and then brag about spending $750 on 3 battery tubes? This is one bizarre thread.

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3 provaris isn't 750.00

they are about 179.00 each,,,,,,,,,,maybe more for the first if you need a charger and batteries, etc.

I happen to agree with the OP,,,,,,to a point. I am ordering a mod so I can easily change batteries rather than buy another tossaway PV myself.

However, in the world of tossaways,,,,,,,,,,an MVP is a damm good deal.

 

[B1sh0p]

3 provaris isn't 750.00

they are about 179.00 each,,,,,,,,,,maybe more for the first if you need a charger and batteries, etc.

I happen to agree with the OP,,,,,,to a point. I am ordering a mod so I can easily change batteries rather than buy another tossaway PV myself.

However, in the world of tossaways,,,,,,,,,,an MVP is a damm good deal.

I meant with batteries and chargers. I was using a little hyperbole there too. Nonetheless, I certainly wouldn't call the MVP disposable. I don't think anybody knows how long they will last. A year is just a rough guess.

 

[Lombaowski]

Being able to dial in the wattage has made more of a difference than I thought it would make. Still, I enjoy my MVP 1.0 very much and find the battery life, form factor and reliability to be outstanding. I also like that it usually charges in less time than an eGo Twist. The 2.0 has a really nice selection of features however, and the variable wattage is pretty damn nice to have.

 

[Daryl Glen]

I meant with batteries and chargers. I was using a little hyperbole there too. Nonetheless, I certainly wouldn't call the MVP disposable. I don't think anybody knows how long they will last. A year is just a rough guess.

I have the MVP, but I also have a few spinners, a Tesla, and a Vamo. I alternate between all of them so much, that I am pretty sure I will get a really long life-span out of it. As it stands right now, because of the alternating, I only have to charge my MVP once a week, and sometimes, a week and a half.
When I think of throw away stuff, I think of cartos, or in my case, anything to do with a Protank.

 

[RubyRoo]

Very good feedback.....I am going to order one because I too willnot go out in public vaping on a flashlight!!!!
I have some EGo's and a new Itaste V3.....and if the MVP can come close to the V3 then I will be very happy with it. Love that I don't need to know what volts to set for my coils that all range between 1.8 and 2.5.....just set watts and forget it. If the MVP has the same setup I am ordering soon.

I have an MVP 2.0 and just freaking love it. It is a beast that gets me though about 2-3 days between charges. I also just bought a VV v3 and it is just as awesome. The MVP is the big brother to the VV and they both use the same chip set. The button functions are a little different, but both are EXCELLENT devices. I'd recommend both to either newbies or advanced users. If they both last me a year, I'll be super stoked! Great value for the money!

 

[Fulgurant]

I meant with batteries and chargers. I was using a little hyperbole there too. Nonetheless, I certainly wouldn't call the MVP disposable. I don't think anybody knows how long they will last. A year is just a rough guess.

A year is a reasonable minimum estimate based on non-defective hardware. That's not to say that any given person won't get defective hardware -- and the fact that the MVP's battery is part of the unit almost certainly does increase that risk just a little bit -- but that's true of any product from any manufacturer.

The trick is that some manufacturers/products have a lower rate of failure than others; unfortunately, I'm not aware of any credible and publicly available source that tracks those statistics vis-a-vis the vaping industry, so we're stuck with anecdotal evidence. That said, I've seen no solid reason to assume that Innokin isn't a good company with which to do business.

Anyway, the MVP is only disposable or a "tossaway" if you subscribe to the questionable notion that any device without a removable battery is disposable. To me, an MVP is the most sensible and value-packed option for the new-to-intermediate vaper; it offers basically all of the functionality of an electronic APV in an easy-to-use and extraordinarily inexpensive package. The only obvious or even noticeable difference, in fact, is the MVP's lack of a removable battery. But given the price, it's hard to argue that that lack should be a deal-breaker.

After watching a bunch of reviews on both products, what's actually amusing to me is the comparison between the MVP and Innokin's VTR. The VTR appears to offer less consistent power delivery and a much heavier/clunkier design in return for a much higher price. The only thing to recommend the VTR over the MVP, based on what I've seen, is the removable battery. Is that one singular feature, which is functionally irrelevant with respect to the quality of your vaping experience, worth nearly a 100% price premium and nearly half a pound of extra weight?

The VTR appears to be a victim of its own cousin's fantastic value.

[EDIT: Ok, the VTR does offer 4 watts more power, so that's a good point in its favor! But VTR inconsistent power delivery relative to the MVP makes me question whether the extra wattage is a worthwhile object in the comparison.]

 

[Dana A]

OK you have convinced me the OP that I want one. I didn't do a bunch of research on it because I wasn't looking to buy one. I was just asking an honest question about the battery and now listening to all of the answers even the rude ones I can see why people buy them. I wasn't looking for another PV. I just didn't understand why people bought one with the proprietary battery. Before this thread it seemed a bit strange to me. Now that I know it lasts 3 days on a charge I am intrigued. I was looking at it as being something that would go dead while out and about and then what would I do? If it is as great as everyone says I think I would love it! As far as bragging about buying 3 Provaris goes. That's not me bragging. That's me saying I won't have any money for fun stuff for a long while because every dime of the 240+ per month I would have spent on cigs has gone to my 3 Provari's as well as many many other unnecessary but much loved vaping related items. With the mod collections you see around here 3 Provari's isn't even something special. I know some people cannot afford one and that was me in the beginning. Once I did finally get one and vaped it I knew I had to have a backup. I swim a lot in the summer and was afraid it would get wet and I would have to go weeks without it so I sold the other PVs I had for money and bought another one for back up. The 3rd was used at half price and I was drooling for a green LED so I got it. I am not well off by any means and so have no reason to brag but I am of the mind that I can spend what I did on cigs if it keeps me vaping and the Provari does just that. Maybe the MVP will now join the party. Jeesh!! Is it angry Thursday around here or what?

 

[suspectK]

I've been told it is possible to change out the battery in the MVP when it finally kicks the bucket. I was looking for the person in this thread that told me about it a while ago. I don't know what work that entails, but it is possible..

 

[KnurledNut]

In response to the OP, the MVP is worth it as a 'throw-away' device. Remember the money we threw away on smokes? In my area a generic carton of no-name cigarettes is $50, about the cost of an MVP. When I was smoking 2 PPD, that same carton of $50 smokes would last me about 5 days. Less when I was lurking in the bars and chasing tail.

Now I can have a decent vape machine for $50 that can last me a year. The savings over other mods and batteries will keep me in tanks, coils, and juice.

 

[optsmk]

There is nothing wrong with an ecig that has a sealed battery. I have two h16's or hello 16's or whatever you want to call them. I bought them sometime back in 2008 and I still use them today. One of the good things about them is the size. They can easily fit in your pocket.

 

[CommaHolly]

now I think I want one

of course, I still want a provari.

Nothing wrong with having 2 good PVs

 

[Daryl Glen]

Nothing wrong with having 2 good PVs

Or 3.....or 4.....LOL Here is just my work setup!

 

[Penn]

The first time I got to check out an MVP was at a vape meet and decided I liked it. I also looked at a Tesla and a few Vamos at the same meet but they didn't compare in my mind to the feel of the MVP. I waited for the V2 mainly for the ohm checker and digital battery read out. Now I have had some time with it and like it even more.

Earlier this week I finally checked out a Provari in a B&M and I am NOT impressed. I prefer both the look and feel of the MVP. The menu is easier in the MVP than the one button clicking with Provari and I didn't see anything the Provari does that the MVP2 doesn't do other than the replaceable battery, and I don't see that as a positive because it just means owning more equipment.

 

[CommaHolly]

The first time I got to check out an MVP was at a vape meet and decided I liked it. I also looked at a Tesla and a few Vamos at the same meet but they didn't compare in my mind to the feel of the MVP. I waited for the V2 mainly for the ohm checker and digital battery read out. Now I have had some time with it and like it even more.

Earlier this week I finally checked out a Provari in a B&M and I am NOT impressed. I prefer both the look and feel of the MVP. The menu is easier in the MVP than the one button clicking with Provari and I didn't see anything the Provari does that the MVP2 doesn't do other than the replaceable battery, and I don't see that as a positive because it just means owning more equipment.

if it breaks, you can send it back for service and have it back in your mailbox in a week and a 20 spot (if it's still under warranty, it's free). Try that with anything made in China.

don't get me wrong, I think the MVP is a fantastic value,,,,,,,,and I think I might get one,,,,,,,,but the Provari is an excellent PV as well.

 

[Caridwen]

Moved to VV APV discussion.

 

[Fulgurant]

don't get me wrong, I think the MVP is a fantastic value,,,,,,,,and I think I might get one,,,,,,,,but the Provari is an excellent PV as well.

Yeah, the comparison's sorta unfair. The two products have similar functionality in the abstract, but they're aimed at different markets. Sure, the MVP's a better value for most people, but there are always diminished value returns as you ascend the cost ladder -- whether you're talking about cars or computers or appliances or PVs.

Personally, I can't justify buying a Provari, not because I can't afford it but rather because my vaping preferences aren't quite settled yet, and I'm not convinced that they'll ever be specific enough to require the Provari's razor-sharp accuracy and consistency. But the Provari is, by all accounts, the most accurate and consistent power-delivery system on the market right now (but not necessarily the most user-friendly). It's also apparently built to survive a small apocalypse, so if you're an advanced vaper who's looking for the last PV you'll ever have to buy, the Provari's one of a small handful of credible options.

If you're sure you know what you're doing, and you take a very long-term view, the Provari definitely offers good value. The MVP has broader appeal, and thus it's a more generally attractive value proposition. Neither of those statements should detract from the other.

 

[Penn]

if it breaks, you can send it back for service and have it back in your mailbox in a week and a 20 spot (if it's still under warranty, it's free). Try that with anything made in China.

don't get me wrong, I think the MVP is a fantastic value,,,,,,,,and I think I might get one,,,,,,,,but the Provari is an excellent PV as well.

Doesn't your favorite Chinese retailer do 6 month warranty? That's where I got mine.

 

[Ladiekali]

I own two Provari's and could easily get by without another mod. Visiting my local B & M I noticed the sales staff were all vaping either a RDA on a mechanical or using an MVP. I wondered what the appeal for the MVP was, too. Then I won my own MVP in a raffle drawing. NOW I GET IT.

This little unit is extremely versatile. It is pocket-friendly, durably built, light-weight, and comfortable to hold in your hand. To me, it has a classy sophisticated look to it - not like something from a head shop or a woman's sex toy like most tube mods do. If anything it looks like a large cell phone or remote control. I got nearly 3 days between charges. It also serves as a passthru.

And yes, I charged my cell phone with it once just to see if it would. I prefer using the MVP in the car rather than my Mini Provari, because being flat-sided I can lay it on the passenger seat and it not roll out of my reach. Unlike my Mini, which I resorted to laying on my lap while driving. I don't wish to admit how many times I've forgotten its there and dropped it on the driveway getting out of the car.

I used the MVP as much as my Provari's, and anyone who knows me on ECF knows how I love my Provari's. It is fitting for a novice as well as an advanced user. It is equally comfortable to use at home as away. For $50 this is a steal. This mod deserves "Mod of the Year" nominations IMO.


* Added: To answer the question "Why buy a mod that uses a non-replaceable battery?", if one factors in that a novice doesn't have to buy multiple separate batteries AND a charger, the MVP is less expensive to purchase than a mod that uses replaceable batteries and will need multiple batteries and a charger. It can be used as a passthru which is a plus for many novices who may not have a backup to use.

Also consider the durability and expected life expectancy of most of the Chinese-made mods in this price category. How many Vamo's, VMaxes, Lava Tubes, Smoktech VV Grippers, etc are still in service after 1.5 years in use? If someone gets more than a year out of a Chinese made mod, they got their money's worth and more.

Ok first i'd like to say my first thought on this topic was duh, if it lasts more than 2 days on a single charge and the average battery charges 300 times, you get longer vape time with out having to charge, and a battery that will last twice as long.

but what i really want to say is
darn you baditude, now i have to have one.
guess i'm goin shoppin soon.

 

[B1sh0p]

Yeah, the comparison's sorta unfair. The two products have similar functionality in the abstract, but they're aimed at different markets. Sure, the MVP's a better value for most people, but there are always diminished value returns as you ascend the cost ladder -- whether you're talking about cars or computers or appliances or PVs.

Personally, I can't justify buying a Provari, not because I can't afford it but rather because my vaping preferences aren't quite settled yet, and I'm not convinced that they'll ever be specific enough to require the Provari's razor-sharp accuracy and consistency. But the Provari is, by all accounts, the most accurate and consistent power-delivery system on the market right now (but not necessarily the most user-friendly). It's also apparently built to survive a small apocalypse, so if you're an advanced vaper who's looking for the last PV you'll ever have to buy, the Provari's one of a small handful of credible options.

If you're sure you know what you're doing, and you take a very long-term view, the Provari definitely offers good value. The MVP has broader appeal, and thus it's a more generally attractive value proposition. Neither of those statements should detract from the other.

Actually, the MVP is very accurate in VV mode. The Provari is way more accurate in VW... Oh wait, never mind.

Seriously, here's the thing, if my MVP breaks, I just buy another one and I'm still in the black. Also, I'm not worried about it being manufactured in China. I don't worry about my phone, computer or iPad either. They were all manufactured in China. Now lets factor in how quickly technology in vaping is advancing. I don't want to invest in a Provari when there's a good chance something progressively better will be available when my $50 disposable can no longer hold a charge.